Refuting The Hadith Of Ten Companions

[Muslim2010]

A famous tradition in sunna is that 10 companions have been guaranteed the paradize. But we also see the prophet narration that a group of companions will be sent to hell fire.

How we can refute this claim of 10 companions being promised of paradise?

I need response from learned shii members of this group

[Vigilare]

To clarify though it's not just 10 companions who have been promised paradise but obviously the Ashara Mubashara hadith is more widely known.

Edited May 15, 2013 by Vigilare

[Ali Musaaa :)]

To clarify though it's not just 10 companions who have been promised paradise but obviously the Ashara Mubashara hadith is more widely known.

It's also reported in the Sahih Sitta that if a Muslim takes a sword out against another Muslim he becomes a Kaffir, if I'm not mistaken.

[Vigilare]

It's also reported in the Sahih Sitta that if a Muslim takes a sword out against another Muslim he becomes a Kaffir, if I'm not mistaken.

Sure, and there's also another narration that states that if you hurt someone who is looking into your house without permission, by throwing a stone at them then there's no sin on you.

:-p

I get your point though..

Edited May 15, 2013 by Vigilare

[Ali Musaaa :)]

Sure, and there's also another narration that states that if you hurt someone who is looking into your house without permission, by throwing a stone at them then there's no sin on you.

:-p

I get your point though..

lol, I wanna see the Hadith

[Muslim2010]

@ Vigilare

First of all who are those 10 companions?

[Vigilare]

@ Vigilare

First of all who are those 10 companions?

We don't need to start from basics, you know who they are otherwise you wouldn't be trying to refute it. My point is just that although this particular narration (well there's two...) name 10, there are other narrations by the Prophet (pbuh) in sunni sources that name others.

Another point that’s interesting is that all of them died after the Prophet (pbuh) and all of them were in one way or another involved in the issue of caliphate, perhaps excluding Saeed and Sa’d. If only the Four Caliphs had been mentioned it would have made more sense as Ali (as) would have been identified as one of the Caliphs and therefore shouldn’t have been cursed (in the narration by Saeed)

Edited May 15, 2013 by Vigilare

[Haydar Husayn]

Another point that’s interesting is that all of them died after the Prophet (pbuh) and all of them were in one way or another involved in the issue of caliphate, perhaps excluding Saeed and Sa’d. If only the Four Caliphs had been mentioned it would have made more sense as Ali (as) would have been identified as one of the Caliphs and therefore shouldn’t have been cursed (in the narration by Saeed)

Yeah, it's very convenient to have all the members involved in the dubious affair of the caliphate given such praise by the Prophet (pbuh). Surely nothing dodgy could happen with such honourable people involved.

It's also quite interesting to note that both primary narrators of this hadith are included in the ten...

[Vigilare]

^ indeed.

[Muslim2010]

Saeed bin Zaid said: I bear witness, I heard the messenger of Allah (s) say: Ten are in Paradise: The prophet is in Paradise, Abu Bakr in Paradise, Talha in Paradise, Omar in Paradise, 'Uthman in Paradise, Saad bin Malik in Paradise, and AbdulRahman bin `Awf in Paradise. If you wish I could tell you the tenth? He said. They said: Who is he? He said: Saeed bin Zaid."

Sunan Abu Dawud

AbdulRahman bin `Awf said: The prophet (s) said: Abu Bakr in Paradise, Omar in Paradise, 'Uthman in Paradise, Ali in Paradise, Talha in Paradise, al- Zubair (bin al-'Awwam) in Paradise, AbdulRahman bin `Awf in Paradise, Saad (bin Abi Waqqass) in Paradise, Saeed (bin Zaid), and abu 'Ubaida bin al- Jarrah in Paradise.

al-Tirmithi, Hadith 3747

Saeed bin Zaid, that the prophet (s) said in a number of people, ten are in Paradise: Abu Bakr in Paradise, Omar in Paradise, 'Uthman, Ali, al-Zubair, Talha, AbdulRahman, Abu 'Ubaida, andSaad bin Abi Waqqass. He counted these nine and was quite about the tenth. They said: By Allah, abu-alAawar (i.e. Saeed), who is the tenth? He said: You swore by Allah - abu-alAawar is in Paradise." al-Tirmithi commented that abu-alAawar is Saeed bin Zaid bin Amr bin Nawfal.

al-Tirmithi, under #3748

al-Tirmithi, Volume 5, Page 605, Hadith 3748

abu Daoud, #4649 and #4650

Thus the ten people, claimed to been promised paradise by the Prophet (SAW) are,

• Prophet Muhammad (SAW)
  
• Abu Bakr
  
• Umer
  
• Uthman
  
• Ali ibn Abu Talib
  
• Talha
  
• Zubair bin al-Awwam
  
• Saad bin Abi Waqas
  
• Saeed bin Zaid
  
• Abdul Rahman ibn Awf
  
• Saad bin Malik
  
• Abu `Ubaida bin al-Jarrah
  

What is wrong with these Hadith we may ask. Who are those ten out of these promised paradize?

• They struggle in narrowing down who the ten are. One time they insert Saad bin Abi Waqqas and another they put Saad bin Malik in his place
  
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• The first of the hadith did not mention Imam Ali, nor Ibn al-Jarrah; yielding only seven promised Paradise, of course, not counting the prophet (SAW)
  
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• The first and third are essentially the same hadeeth, by the same person, but the order of those in Paradise is different, one person added and another dropped, and only seven people are listed in Abu Daouds'
  
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• Listing of the Prophet (SAW) among those promised Paradise is something that confirms forgery! Does anyone really believe that his companions enter Paradise and he will be left behind? He need not advertise that - it is a given
  
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• Both narrators are telling the hadith about themselves. Both narrators are including themselves in the group promised paradise. According to Islamic law, when someone praises others by praising himself, it is disregarded altogether. The same is true if someone bears witness for someone else, while at the same time, even partially self-serving, his testimony is rejected
  
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• The history of the so called ten does not mandate this great reward, at the expense of exclusion of other pious companions, who in fact remained unblemished till their demise. Bukhari and Muslim did not even set aside a virtues section on neither Saad bin Zaid nor AbdulRahman bin `Awf, while Bukhari has a sections for Mu'awiya, one hadeeth for Khalid bin al-Waleed and just a section heading for Mus'ab bin `Umai
  
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• Saad bin Malik, in fact, is not among the 10 highly regarded by the Sunnis
  
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• Note the placement of the Imam Ali is, conveniently, the fourth in a group which does not contain a single supporter of the Imam from among the companions of the prophet. Accordingly, the Sunnis have agreed on holding these ten in high regard. Clearly, the nine mentioned with the Imam are his adversaries and none were on his side
  

Who are then these 10?

Edited May 15, 2013 by skamran110

[Vigilare]

Sad ibn Malik is S'ad ibn Waqas...

[Muslim2010]

@ What is the proof that these are not two persons? Any hadith or rijal work?

The above quoted hadiths undoubtly indicate that these are two different persons.

Edited May 15, 2013 by skamran110

[Nader Zaveri]

(salam)

(bismillah)

The above quoted hadiths undoubtly indicate that these are two different persons.

You're kidding right? Please do a little bit of research before doing horrible copy-paste jobs from other websites. His father's name is Malik b. Wuhayb (or, Uhayb), therefore his name is Sa`ad b. Malik, but he is better known as Sa`ad b. Abi Waqqas.

That is like someone coming here and saying `Ali b. Abi Talib b. `Abd al-Mutallib is not `Ali b. `Imraan b. `Abd al-Mutallib.

(salam)

Edited May 15, 2013 by Nader Zaveri

[Vigilare]

There is plenty of information online. They are most certainly not two different people, just like Ali ibn Imran and Ali ibn Abu Talib would be the same. But to help you out:

http://www.pbuh.us/p...10_SadIbnMaalik

http://islamtees.wor...us-sunnah/#bio4

and so on. Clearly you're able to google so I'll leave it at that.

Edited May 15, 2013 by Vigilare

[Muslim2010]

I would ask Sunni brothers that what do they understand by this hadith;

• The mentioned people will enter paradise with accountability. Which shows that their actions and deeds till their death will earn them Allah's pleasure.
  
• The mentioned people will enter paradise without accountability. Which implies that no matter what these people do, Allah will ignore their sins and treachery if any, and will allow them entry in paradise.
  
• The mentioned people will eventually enter paradise after being punished for their sins, if any
  

[Muslim2010]

@

-If any one believes that these companions will enter paradise without accountability, then he is excluding them from the justice of Allah.

And We will set up a just balance on the day of resurrection, so no soul shall be dealt with unjustly in the least; and though there be the weight of a grain of mustard seed, (yet) will We bring it, and sufficient are We to take account

Quran [21:47]

And Allah created the heavens and the earth with truth and that every soul may be rewarded for what it has earned and they shall not be wronged.

Quran [45:22]

- If anyone believes that they will enter paradise after answering for their deeds, then he is assuming that their deeds will include no wrong as the Prophet had promised them paradise. The onus is on him to prove to us that these men were infallibles and they did not wrong Allah, Prophet (SAW), Quran or Ahlulbayt during their life times.

- If any one believes that they will eventually enter paradise after being appropriately punished for their sins, then the hadith is meaningless because this applies to everyone and not only to the ten mentioned.

- If this hadith were indeed true, then how come one did not see Uthman use it in protest against those who found it lawful to murder him. Nor did any of his companions come to his aid, protesting the unlawfulness of killing someone who is guaranteed paradise. Actually, it would have been unlawful for them to stay silent in this matter.

@

Besides the questionable hadith, what convinces you that the 10 are guaranteed heaven? Talha and Zubair fought Imam Ali, resulted the killing of hundreds of Muslims at Jamal , and all three of them will be in heaven? History testifies that anyone who fought Hz Ali, was on the wrong path, whether it be the Kufar of mecca, the Jews of Khaiber, the wife of the prophet, Ayesha, or the great companion Muawiya.

Do you believe that the murderer and the murdered, both will be in paradise even if they opposed each other and fought each other which resulted in killings of their own selves as well as many other Muslims??

Edited May 16, 2013 by skamran110

[Vigilare]

Maybe you should source/link to the article you're copying and pasting from. You may want to let the author know that both Sa'ads are the same.

http://www26.brinkster.com/sdolshah1/amtbc.html

[Muslim2010]

@ What an intellectual reply, lol.

- It confirms that this hadith was not present in the life of Usman and it looks this has been fabricated after him by ummayads to safeguard few loved ones for their actions taken based on enmity of Imam Ali.

Further can be seen on Refuting this hadith in the enclosed link:

http://www26.brinkst...hah1/amtbc.html

Edited May 16, 2013 by skamran110

[igotquestions]

Seems like the shia have their own list of 10 as well: [URL Edited]/index.php?showtopic=14254

[Muslim2010]

@Truth cannot be make hidden by fabrications like this what ummayads have tried to make.

[Muslim2010]

Seems like the shia have their own list of 10 as well: http://islamic-forum...showtopic=14254

- "Ashra Mubashira of Shia Imamia", There is no such term in the history of Islam and Shia, this has been devised by a sunni fellow in the group linked above.

- The term "Ashra Mubashra" does exist in Sunna, and this hadith is considered fabricated and false because of the reasons quoted in this thread..

Edited May 17, 2013 by skamran110