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Abu Bakr, Umar Addressed As Believers In 49:1-3

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In sura 49:1-3 Allah( SWT) adresses the sheikhains as believers, according to bukhari the 2 raised their voices.

In the verse in question, if Abu Bakr and Umar are NOT Believers.

Why Does Allah (SWT) address them as Believers?

Would like some thoughts on this.

[49:1] O you who believe, do not place your opinion above that of GOD and His messenger. You shall reverence GOD. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.

[49:2] O you who believe, do not raise your voices above the voice of the prophet, nor shall you shout at him as you shout at each other, lest your works become nullified while you do not perceive.

Edited by shah1

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In sura 49:1-3 Allah( SWT) adresses the sheikhains as believers, according to bukhari the 2 raised their voices.

In the verse in question, if Abu Bakr and Umar are NOT Believers.

Why Does Allah (SWT) address them as Believers?

You'd need a better source than bukhari if you want to convince anyone here

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because being a believer is a state , and dont forget they were around the Prophet, they witnessed miracles and much proof, and this unveiled their hearts, but unfortunately they couldn't keep the faith, they instead followed their desires and failed

Why did not they demolish the Kabaa after the death of the Prophet? Why did not they stop praying at all? Why did not they utterly destroy Islam as they could because they were in authority? No proof of any financial or moral corruption against Omar and Abu Bakr during their reign has ever been brought up.

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I am a Muslim right now. If I go out and become a Hindu and start worshiping the Hindu gods, am I still a Muslim? Once a Muslim doesn't mean that they will always be Muslims ...

As far as I know both sunnies and shias believe that Qur'an is complete and absolute. So you are saying that there is an error in the Qur'an? or maybe you are implying that Allah doesn't have the ultimate knowledge. Therefore, He didn't know that Abu Bakar (ra), Umar (ra), Ansars (ra), and Mahajireens (ra) would go astray?

@yukapuka

"...but unfortunately they couldn't keep the faith, they instead followed their desires and failed." Can you please elaborate a bit more?

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Why did not they demolish the Kabaa after the death of the Prophet? Why did not they stop praying at all? Why did not they utterly destroy Islam as they could because they were in authority? No proof of any financial or moral corruption against Omar and Abu Bakr during their reign has ever been brought up.

As far as I know both sunnies and shias believe that Qur'an is complete and absolute. So you are saying that there is an error in the Qur'an? or maybe you are implying that Allah doesn't have the ultimate knowledge. Therefore, He didn't know that Abu Bakar (ra), Umar (ra), Ansars (ra), and Mahajireens (ra) would go astray?

(bismillah)

(salam)

you both could be right, after all the handsome man who sits on the throne on judgement day, did not know about iblees either.

so what is the big deal for the ones' who give him shape and limit him, the poor christians only gave 1/3 the shape.

(wasalam)

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just never forget people we are brothers and sisters and Allah has ordered us in the Quran

"Hold fast onto the rope of Allah and do not divide into sects..."

also

"As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least(addressing Muhammad): their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did. 6:159"

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بِسْمِ اللَّـهِ الرَّحْمَـٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ

سَبَّحَ لِلَّـهِ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ ۖ وَهُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الْحَكِيمُ﴿١ يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لِمَ تَقُولُونَ مَا لَا تَفْعَلُونَ ﴿٢

Ali Bin Ibrahim (Tafseer Qummi) said :

‘It Addresses the companions of Rasool-Allah saww who promised him saww that they would help him saww, and will not oppose his orders, and will not break their oaths regarding Amir-ul-Momineen asws.

So, Allah azwj knew that they are not being loyal with what they had been saying, so He azwj Said [61:2]

O you who believe! Why do you say that which you do not do? [61:3] It is most Hateful to Allah that you should say that which you do not do, and Allah azwj has Referred to them as Believers due to their (verbal) acceptance, but they were not ratifying it (genuine acceptance)’.

(بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم سبح لله ما في السموات وما في الارض وهو العزيز الحكيم يا ايها الذين آمنوا لم تقولون ما لا تفعلون) مخاطبة لاصحاب رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله الذين وعدوه ان ينصروه ولا يخالفوا امره ولا ينقضوا عهده في امير المؤمنين عليه السلام، فعلم الله انهم لا يوفون بما يقولون فقال: (لم تقولون ما لا تفعلون كبر مقتا عند الله) الآية، وقد سماهم الله مؤمنين باقرارهم وإن لم يصدقوا

Edited by LoveforTruth

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بِسْمِ اللَّـهِ الرَّحْمَـٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ

سَبَّحَ لِلَّـهِ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ ۖ وَهُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الْحَكِيمُ﴿١ يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لِمَ تَقُولُونَ مَا لَا تَفْعَلُونَ ﴿٢

Ali Bin Ibrahim (Tafseer Qummi) said :

‘It Addresses the companions of Rasool-Allah saww who promised him saww that they would help him saww, and will not oppose his orders, and will not break their oaths regarding Amir-ul-Momineen asws.

So, Allah azwj knew that they are not being loyal with what they had been saying, so He azwj Said [61:2]

O you who believe! Why do you say that which you do not do? [61:3] It is most Hateful to Allah that you should say that which you do not do, and Allah azwj has Referred to them as Believers due to their (verbal) acceptance, but they were not ratifying it (genuine acceptance)’.

(بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم سبح لله ما في السموات وما في الارض وهو العزيز الحكيم يا ايها الذين آمنوا لم تقولون ما لا تفعلون) مخاطبة لاصحاب رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله الذين وعدوه ان ينصروه ولا يخالفوا امره ولا ينقضوا عهده في امير المؤمنين عليه السلام، فعلم الله انهم لا يوفون بما يقولون فقال: (لم تقولون ما لا تفعلون كبر مقتا عند الله) الآية، وقد سماهم الله مؤمنين باقرارهم وإن لم يصدقوا

Do you have tafseer qummi in english?

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Do you have tafseer qummi in english?

Assalamu 'alaykum

No, sorry, only part of it.

Here is another tafseer explaining the same :

15ـ عن جميل بن ذراج قال: سألت أبا عبدالله (عليه السلام) عن ابليس أكان من الملائكة أو كان يلى شيئا من أمر السماء؟ فقال: لم يكن من الملئكة وكانت الملئكة ترى انه منها، وكان الله يعلم انه ليس منها، ولم يكن يلى شيئا من امر من السماء و لا كرامة، فأتيت الطيار (7) فأخبرته بما سمعت فانكر وقال: كيف لا يكون من الملئكة والله يقول للملئكة " اسجدوا لادم فسجدوا الا ابليس " فدخل عليه الطيار فسأله وأنا عنده، فقال له: جعلت فداك قول الله عزوجل " يا ايها الذين آمنوا " في غير مكان في مخاطبة المؤمنين أيدخل في هذه المنافقون؟ فقال: نعم يدخلون في هذه المنافقون والضلال وكل من أقر بالدعوة الظاهرة (1)

From Jameel Bin Daraaj:

‘Abu Abdullah (asws) said, ‘Al-Tayyaar came up to him (asws), so he asked him (asws) and I was in his (asws) presence, ‘May I be sacrificed for you (asws), do you (asws) see that the Statement of the Mighty and Majestic: “[66:6] O you who believe!”, and in another place where the Believers are addressed, are the hypocrites included in this?’

The Imam (asws) replied: ‘Yes, the hypocrites are included in this, and the strayed ones, and everyone who accepted the Call apparently’. (Bihar, Al-Kafi, Tafseer Al-'Ayyashi)

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there is a story of 2 brothers during the time of Prophet Musa A.S. One was rich but a disbeliever all his life, while the other was a strong believer yet very poor, they lived in the same house for about 20 years. Then one day finally the poor brother (who was a strong believer in God and poor throughout his life) lost his patience and faith and decided to tell his brother that he has become an unbeliever as well. At the same time co-incidentally the other brother (who was rich throughout his life but a strong disbeliever) marvelled at the faith of his other brother and finally contemplated that there had to be more to life and therefore became a believer in God and decided to tell his brother this.

When the two brothers came face to face they both incidentally died, and it was declared that the rich brother who was an unbeliever all his life died a believer, and the poor brother who was a strong believer all his life died a disbeliever. So in the end the state that is in your Akhriah in life is what counts. People can be believers during the lifetime of the Prophet S.A.W but as we see from the accepted hadith in Bukhari where when the Prophet S.A.W wiill approach the Kauthar in Jannah he will exclaim surprise when some of his companions will be taken away and say "O Allah what about my companions?" to which he will receive the Reply "You do not know what they did after you"

Edited by Kirmani

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That is the difference between Shia and Sunni and that is Adl.

Sunnis say Abubakr Umar and Uthman will go to paradise because they have been guaranteed paradise but do not believe in the justice after Prophet (pbuh) what they did.

Allah is so just in the Quran which hardly any Sunnis quote.

[shakir 48:10] Surely those who swear allegiance to you do but swear allegiance to Allah; the hand of Allah is above their hands. Therefore whoever breaks (his faith), he breaks it only to the injury of his own soul, and whoever fulfills what he has covenanted with Allah, He will grant him a mighty reward.

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So I guess verse 3:195 don't apply to the 2 sheikhains?

It would be nice to find out why, where and when this verse was revealed and who was asking for the dua. Sunnis say it was umm salamma? But I'm not sure.

So their Lord accepted their prayer: That I will not waste the work of a worker among you, whether male or female, the one of you being from the other; they, therefore, who fled and were turned out of their homes and persecuted in My way and who fought and were slain, I will most certainly cover their evil deeds, and I will most certainly make them enter gardens beneath which rivers flow; a reward from Allah, and with Allah is yet better reward.

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shah1, 3:195 contained, `who fought and were slain,'. this would suggest that it is only applicable to those who died before the Prophet (pbuh) . and/or before this verse was revealed like Saidina Hamza (ra) .

Edited by wrangler

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