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Don't forget his daughter from Sita White.

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close to karachi but yeah, its mqm who is rigging the votes.

People are FED UP with MQM TERRORISTS and PPP LOOTERS and PML Pudgy Kashmiri child labor abusers foundry and carpet weavers, and Corpulent Mullas.

The best nation in our region is the Khorasan, which is Iran and Afghans. Iran - compare their history in DEEP detail with the Normans, VIkings, Yanquis and all the races of europe, from ATTILLA the Hun, Khazars, Slavs - was the most civilized people. Cyrus the Great, Praised in Quran, issued the first BILL OF RIGHTS for his subjects and Persians minimally engaged in any wars with the neighbors. The Afghans, never bowed themselves to any outside power.

During the Afghan Jihad against the Soviets, the Cursed al-Saud had entered the game to counter Iran due to the Revolution. So they started an ANTI-IRAN game in the region by giving WAHHABI type literature to the Taliban and Mujahideen, who were otherwise the flower of humanity, chivalry and fortitude.

This is the nation, which will now defeat the NORMAN/VIKING elite of Europe, the Yanquis, and some even call them, Gog and Magog and the last remnants of the Neanderthals on the planet. They will be hunted down by the Afghans as soon as they get Quality weapons like the Stingers and the Taliban will see how they get out of there, as they got out of Vietnam.

The Taliban are THIRSTY for revenge.

The Drones are an instrument of inducing and maintaining STOCKHOLM Syndrome in the Pakistani nation.

As soon as 9-11 falseflag happened, the TERRORIST MQM and Altaf Hussein, allied with the YANQUIS and started calling the HONORABLE TALIBAN as Terrorists. We have SOLID PROOF of their IDIOCITY in this video

Now, Imran Khan did Mutaa with Sita White and when he realized that she was TRASH, he had no hesitation in dumping the WHITE TRASH. That is a brave leader who was able to accept his mistake and RECTIFY it even though it meant accepting he made a mistake.

The fat and pudgy MQM, Corpulent "Mullas" are not like that. The honor and blood of the Honorable Afghan Nation will be avenged and - Imran is not fighting the Pudgy child-labor user, but the TRAITOR and PUPPET Hamid Karzai.

This election is not a simple election, it is a battle in the COMPLEX end-times War against Gog and Magog, Wahhabis, Zionists, Khazars and so on. The leaders must judged in this complex context, as no one is perfect and you have to judge what is essential versus what is peripheral in this struggle. Only Allah grants victory.

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^ you are too BUZDILL. You just get scared when I post this here and find excuses and nicks and post tactics to mask my posts from others, rather than let it persist and get more views. how many nicks you have made, Darth Vadera, "inshaAllah", and all the nicks you have but just one style of writing.

People are FED UP with MQM TERRORISTS and PPP LOOTERS and PML Pudgy Kashmiri child labor abusers foundry and carpet weavers, and Corpulent Mullas.

The best nation in our region is the Khorasan, which is Iran and Afghans. Iran - compare their history in DEEP detail with the Normans, VIkings, Yanquis and all the races of europe, from ATTILLA the Hun, Khazars, Slavs - was the most civilized people. Cyrus the Great, Praised in Quran, issued the first BILL OF RIGHTS for his subjects and Persians minimally engaged in any wars with the neighbors. The Afghans, never bowed themselves to any outside power.

During the Afghan Jihad against the Soviets, the Cursed al-Saud had entered the game to counter Iran due to the Revolution. So they started an ANTI-IRAN game in the region by giving WAHHABI type literature to the Taliban and Mujahideen, who were otherwise the flower of humanity, chivalry and fortitude.

This is the nation, which will now defeat the NORMAN/VIKING elite of Europe, the Yanquis, and some even call them, Gog and Magog and the last remnants of the Neanderthals on the planet. They will be hunted down by the Afghans as soon as they get Quality weapons like the Stingers and the Taliban will see how they get out of there, as they got out of Vietnam.

The Taliban are THIRSTY for revenge.

The Drones are an instrument of inducing and maintaining STOCKHOLM Syndrome in the Pakistani nation.

As soon as 9-11 falseflag happened, the TERRORIST MQM and Altaf Hussein, allied with the YANQUIS and started calling the HONORABLE TALIBAN as Terrorists. We have SOLID PROOF of their IDIOCITY in this video

Now, Imran Khan did Mutaa with Sita White and when he realized that she was TRASH, he had no hesitation in dumping the WHITE TRASH. That is a brave leader who was able to accept his mistake and RECTIFY it even though it meant accepting he made a mistake.

The fat and pudgy MQM, Corpulent "Mullas" are not like that. The honor and blood of the Honorable Afghan Nation will be avenged and - Imran is not fighting the Pudgy child-labor user, but the TRAITOR and PUPPET Hamid Karzai.

This election is not a simple election, it is a battle in the COMPLEX end-times War against Gog and Magog, Wahhabis, Zionists, Khazars and so on. The leaders must judged in this complex context, as no one is perfect and you have to judge what is essential versus what is peripheral in this struggle. Only Allah grants victory.

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^ I think, Mutaa is mainly in dealing with the non-muslim race, where women have already implicit or explicit blank checque permission to go and establish sexual or matrimonial relations by their own will (mutual consent), and where muslim law or social norms cannot be demanded or enforced.

In the 60s to present it was that Islam was looked down upon. Today, Islam has greater power simply because more people are now knowledgeable and admire Islam based on its intellectual gems of all kinds in it. So today, mutaa is less needed and you can safely press your prospective bride to enter into Islamic Nikah without the fear of early and premature rupture in the hope that time will bring a deeper understanding of Islam.

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Now, Imran Khan did Mutaa with Sita White and when he realized that she was TRASH, he had no hesitation in dumping the WHITE TRASH. That is a brave leader who was able to accept his mistake and RECTIFY it even though it meant accepting he made a mistake.

You just get dumber and dumber. To be honest, I'm a little surprised you aren't going about Imran Khan's 'Zionist' affiliations. Maybe you only reserve the ridiculous conspiracy theories for people you are against, rather than those you support.

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watching Pakistani TV on the web, have not done so for some time now... are Muslim women on secular Pakistan TV not allowed to wear hijaab? Seems strange that there is not a single Muslim woman with hijaab on Pakistan TV ... ?

I wish Pakistan TV was secular. It is way too right wing with self-righteous tones.

You need to work on your definitions.

He is a Shia? I didn't know that.

He is not and he didn't do any mutah.

Ok help me out here in explaining how a discussion on elections became a mutah thread.

Welcome to ShiaChat.

^ OMG so many nicks!

Listen, don't ruin this thread. Take your outrageous posts elsewhere please.

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I wish Pakistan TV was secular. It is way too right wing with self-righteous tones.

You need to work on your definitions.

Right wing and self righteous = secular - I know my definitions, you, however have a dire need to work on getting some political education.

So it seems Sharif is leading, why are people picking same old faces?

I'm not an expert on these candidates, anyone want to give me the pros and cons of both Sharif and Imran Khan?

for the same reason you like to hang out on Shia Chat for no apparent reason or purpose - it is all about familiarity

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secularism is an extremist right wing ideology that is practiced in France, US, England and other such places - u guys seriously need to get a political education other than reading definitions on websters or whatever angrezi - urdu dictionary u use.

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secularism is an extremist right wing ideology that is practiced in France, US, England and other such places - u guys seriously need to get a political education other than reading definitions on websters or whatever angrezi - urdu dictionary u use.

Your a moron. There are right secularist and left secularist. There are liberal secularist and conservative ones. You don't need a political education for something that elementary, so stop embarrassing yourself.

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So it seems Sharif is leading, why are people picking same old faces?

I'm not an expert on these candidates, anyone want to give me the pros and cons of both Sharif and Imran Khan?

The old face of Nawaz Sharif is leading with more votes for two main reasons 1) He has solid support among a large section of electorate with certain political and religious leanings 2) His party was elected to parliament twice and both times his government was terminated after approximately 2.5 years out of 5 mandated years, both times by the army.

So there is this sympathy vote because he's never been able to completer his term. Besides, they have a relatively better record at infrastructure development which the PPP (the other big party) lacks.

PML-N

Pros

1. Pro business

2. Relatively good record at infrastructure development

Cons:

1. Islamist Right Wing

2. Punjab-centric

3. Allied with some Sunni/Wahhabi sectarian-militant organisations

4. Originated under Zia and supported Taliban

PTI

Pros:

1. New party, never been in power, clean slate

2. Anti Afghan war.

3. Promise of change aka doing things differently

Cons:

1. Right wing

2. Soft on Taliban (even dubbed as pro-Taliban)

3. Filled with MPs from previous corrupt government

4. No viable agenda

Right wing and self righteous = secular - I know my definitions, you, however have a dire need to work on getting some political education.

Sorry we ain't talking about America. It's PAKISTAN.

Right wing = Islamist/jihadi = pro Taliban..

I told you. Let's see now who needs what education talking about things he doesn't have a clue about.

secularism is an extremist right wing ideology that is practiced in France, US, England and other such places - u guys seriously need to get a political education other than reading definitions on websters or whatever angrezi - urdu dictionary u use.

Stop making a joke of yourself.

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secularism is an extremist right wing ideology that is practiced in France, US, England and other such places - u guys seriously need to get a political education other than reading definitions on websters or whatever angrezi - urdu dictionary u use.

(salam)

A little off-topic, but France is a socialist nation and secularism (in Europe at least) is very much something strongly promoted by leftists.

The brothers were right in saying that it isn't really a right or left wing ideology, since both wings share it in many systems.

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Skylight, listen dude.

This thread is about Pakistani elections happening right now. The first post you made was about how "secular" Pakistan TV is 'cause there is not a single woman in hijab. Well, you might have obsession with "secularism" and "hijab" but that's not the thread to talk about it. Start a new thread or post in countless others that deal with this topic. This is not the place for your retarded definitions. So please, don't make me tell you again and again to cut it out and stay on-topic.

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President has more power than PM so i think Sharif govt. won't last or Zardari will be forced out .

Have you heard about 18th amendment? Presidential powers that Musharraf awarded to himself are reversed already. So no, the president hasn't more power than the PM. You are still living in 2010.

The current president, who is Zardari, will obviously not win the new term. If N-League doesn't get absolute majority and PTI becomes junior partner in the coalition, the N-League will most probably let a PTI member become the president.

But for the time being President Zardari, because he's the president, will hold the swearing in of the new prime minister.

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^I doubt PTI will in any way want to be a part of a government with Nawaz Sharif at helm. They'll most likely lead the opposition.

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^I doubt PTI will in any way want to be a part of a government with Nawaz Sharif at helm. They'll most likely lead the opposition.

That's what I think. If PTI is the 2nd largest party they will prefer to sit on the opposite benches than join the coalition. And since PTI hasn't performed as well as it was being expected, many seats have gone to smaller parties like JI, PML-F (in Sindh) and even ANP. So Nawaz can count on these parties if, say, he's only a few seats short. And there's always MQM to side with the top party to get things going in Karachi.

I'd have hoped for a tight result you know. But PML-N obviously had a much solid vote bank. In the end PTI failed to mobilise enough voters to put them into leading position.

To hell with the change :dry:

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^^ People actually thought PTI will win? :lol:

I personally did not. But you should have seen their diehard supporters, those ones who'd assault you, sometimes literally, even if you so far as suggested that Imran didn't have an agenda or it's hard for him to win. Those diehards, and those who held their hopes way too high, are going to cry their eyes out tonight. I feel sorry for them.

I personally was hoping that PTI would perform better in urbanised areas than it actually did. And PML-N was to perform far better in rural areas AND in Lahore, Raiwind and other couple of strongholds in Upper Punjab.

With that I, personally, thought PML-N will be the leading party (there my prediction was right) but it would fall clearly short of absolute majority.

Now, the final and official results are not out yet but they might win the absolute majority or if they are short, it's going to be a small gap. So in this case my predictions went wrong.

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^ My cousins on facebook are in tears (which i find hilarious) since they have been doing exactly what you said PTI supporters were doing.

Yes, we would have to wait to see how close was the gap.

But they should also be happy. They have supported and helped a party won 2nd most seats (so far) currently tied with the incumbent party. This is the same party that won only 1 seat in 2002 elections and no seat in 2008 (PTI boycotted).

It's a big achievement in itself and this mass mobilisation especially of the youth will have positive effects on Pakistan's fledgling democracy. I think there's no cause to grieve. Let's be patient.

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I am a supporter of PTI ideology, but I have no special affection for PTI. Even if it loses, it has won a place in the opposition benches. What is needed is a counter voice in the opposition, so that there is no MUK-MUKKA and the life of the govt is made miserable by intense scrutiny. PTI for me is only a tool, a waseela, for doing the work of the people for Huqooq ul Ibad. I am more or less, happy with the results.

Muk-Mukka = insider agreement ... for those who dont know urdu

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Khyber-Paktunkhwa situation is interesting.

ANP, the previous party which led the province is nowhere to be seen. Currently PTI is the leading party there while PML-N following behind. Who reckons a coalition between PTI and PML-N there?

On the other hand, PPP and MQM will team up to form provincial government in Sindh.

That's the reversal of 2008 results on national and provincial levels between PPP and N-league.

But what about KPK?

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