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Iran Is Now Baffled

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Iran is now baffled. Iran is at the most dangerous time in its recent history, and infact the whole region is. Perhaps the most open analysis in english comes out of the editorial of a Pakistani newspaper.

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/editorials/30-Apr-2013/ahmadinejad-s-warning

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Iran is now baffled. Iran is at the most dangerous time in its recent history, and infact the whole region is. Perhaps the most open analysis in english comes out of the editorial of a Pakistani newspaper.

http://www.nation.co...nejad-s-warning

Analysis from who?? Look at Pakistan today and it seems they are living in middle ages; and I must say the most dangerous time in history is for Pakistan atm. There could be insurgencies but that would not have a big impact on Iran unless there is a war, God Forbid. If there is a war then you will see a different world for sure and the loss most western countries would suffer would be unimaginable and will only give rise to other superpowers. Surely Iran will suffer to a great extent but their presence today is Independent, i.e., they have minimal affect on other economies and other economies have minimal affect on them. If inshallah Iran wins or remains then the Saudis and rest of the arabs would realise what mistake they have made. This Sunni hatred for shias is burning their own people. So many sunnis I know in Australia are rethinking about converting to Shiism because they don't want to be part of this anymore. They hated taqiyya but now they practice it more than me.
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^ I think we shouldn't forget the words from Qur'an "Wallahu khairul maakireen" (God is the best of all planners). IRI or, heavens forbid, no IRI, God has promised that the darkness will be overcome.

It is my firm belief that when they wage war at Iran then history will repeat itself and like London was no longer the world capital after having locked horns with the National Socialists in Berlin, similarly Washington's "glory" as it stands now will later only be found in history books as it becomes just another Western capital city full of chavs and punks that the rest of the world doesn't really care much about.^^^

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Well, the text of the main article is below, and the comments by Indians or Russian friends of Iran, Artem Mikoyan, can be seen at the link provided. I liked your comments more, except the first one.

Ahmadinejad’s warning

April 30, 2013

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One day after his suggestion to Western capitals to move closer to Iran, instead of excluding it, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad now alleges that the Western world was involved in an effort to sow dissent in Muslim countries, by encouraging factionalism and ethnic tensions. He predicted internal dissensions could spread in several Asian states, including Turkey and Saudi Arabia. He said this while addressing a crowd in Tabrez, on Sunday. His statements can be interpreted to read as a fanning of the flames of paranoia already found in most Muslim populations; but also, perhaps as a simple call for Muslim countries to exist in unity. However, the Muslim regimes he was talking about lack the kind of sense and sobriety needed to carry out the task. Not only are Muslim countries, particularly Arab ones, ruled by unrepresentative regimes, and thus lack public support, but their populations also lack the kind of education that is needed to carry out the task of intellectual rigour and debate, which would lead to Muslims being represented at the world stage.

The Muslim world consists of more than a billion people, mostly young persons, who feel keenly a sense of exclusion and misunderstanding aimed towards them and their religion, as a result of world events in the past few years. Much of the energy that the Muslim world could have been channelled into building these societies along scientific and modern lines and hence equipping them with the wherewithal to stand up for their rights has been sapped in futile ventures such as insurgencies and violence. Portraying this personal flaw as a conspiracy against Muslim countries is to relinquish responsibility for Muslims’ own responsibility in maintaining their image and strength in the world.

Iran itself has been plunged into an economic crisis by the sanctions applied to it for an atomic programme it says it does not have. As sanctions tighten, Ahmedinejad tries to open negotiations with the US while trying to maintain face. An election in Iran looms with Ahmedinjead’s successor taking office in August this year. The Iranian president’s call for unity is a purely pragmatic move, with Iran trying to ensure sympathetic and diversified markets which it can rely on for support. In Iran’s immediate neighbourhood, the Arab Spring, now in its second year, is not yet over, not with Syria still unsettled. Iran has still to come to terms with the changes in Egypt, Tunisia and Libya, and does not know what to do about Syria. The reference to Saudi Arabia and Turkey brings into focus the two closest US allies in the region, and perhaps to their Shia and Kurd minorities respectively. It is almost as if he is warning them that Iran will not have caused any trouble that might occur in future, but there is the trouble in Balochistan to contend with before this can be believed. Indeed, unity will only be in the interest of Muslim countries themselves, but for this to happen they themselves have to step up and be responsible, not blame others for their own failure to enforce discipline in their ranks.

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"Much of the energy that the Muslim world could have been channelled into building these societies along scientific and modern lines ... has been sapped in futile ventures such as insurgencies and violence. Portraying this personal flaw as a conspiracy against Muslim countries is to relinquish responsibility for Muslims’ own responsibility in maintaining their image and strength in the world."

"they themselves have to step up and be responsible, not blame others for their own failure to enforce discipline in their ranks"

This is what I have been saying. The blame game benefits no one.

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"Much of the energy that the Muslim world could have been channelled into building these societies along scientific and modern lines ... has been sapped in futile ventures such as insurgencies and violence. Portraying this personal flaw as a conspiracy against Muslim countries is to relinquish responsibility for Muslims’ own responsibility in maintaining their image and strength in the world."

"they themselves have to step up and be responsible, not blame others for their own failure to enforce discipline in their ranks"

This is what I have been saying. The blame game benefits no one.

You were finally able to find the "deep" analysis I was referring to. How did you manage to steal my thoughts? I am amazed.

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"Much of the energy that the Muslim world could have been channelled into building these societies along scientific and modern lines ... has been sapped in futile ventures such as insurgencies and violence. Portraying this personal flaw as a conspiracy against Muslim countries is to relinquish responsibility for Muslims’ own responsibility in maintaining their image and strength in the world."

"they themselves have to step up and be responsible, not blame others for their own failure to enforce discipline in their ranks"

This is what I have been saying. The blame game benefits no one.

If you are aware of circumstances in middle east then please give a one word reply for this.

1. Was/is Osama Bin laden supported by USA- in Afghanistan?

2. Was Saddam Hussain given weopons by USA to fight Iran?

3. Is USA supporting the terrorists in Syria?

The scenario Would be different if middle east is peacefully allowed to decide its own future. It happens many times that those who lit fire burn their own hands.

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"Much of the energy that the Muslim world could have been channelled into building these societies along scientific and modern lines ... has been sapped in futile ventures such as insurgencies and violence. Portraying this personal flaw as a conspiracy against Muslim countries is to relinquish responsibility for Muslims’ own responsibility in maintaining their image and strength in the world."

"they themselves have to step up and be responsible, not blame others for their own failure to enforce discipline in their ranks"

This is what I have been saying. The blame game benefits no one.

Only half truth. The one being bullied and manipulated must take responsibility and stand up for themselves yes, but that doesn't take away blame from the one doing the bullying and the manipulation.

Just a thought ;)

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Lets admit it. We all have such negative and limited thinking. Whats wrong with us all? :(

SOMEONE has to poke their nose into each and everything going around the world, especially in middle east, and selflessly correct things for the benefit of the people. The Mustard gas chem weapons that the US gave to their Saddam were actually for the betterment of the people. Since we care so much about them. Similarly, don't call US hypocrites when it shoves "democracy" (and puppet governments) down the throat of a perfectly healthy Muslim country AND simultaneously allows, supports and protects the Al-Saud monarchy. Because, you're unable to understand such things. Osama had to be used in the crusade against Russia and it was better for so many of the people. Then he was again used for the next crusade into Iraq but it was a mistake since there were no WMDs but oh well we decided to occupy the country and its vast oil reserves any way. Can't trust Al-Sauds forever can you? But then quickly we corrected our course and took the war right to their doorstep in Afghanistan and in bordering tribal areas. Targeting weddings, mosques and schools with our air force's bombs were honest mistakes. Laser guided bombs that can accurately target a man's ear on the ground are so expensive but also prone to malfunction and target large masses of people due to overwhelmingly large infra red signatures emitting from such places.

Why does everyone here hate US so much for no obvious reason? :no:

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Only half truth. The one being bullied and manipulated must take responsibility and stand up for themselves yes, but that doesn't take away blame from the one doing the bullying and the manipulation.

Just a thought ;)

The muslim world is not all subjugated like palestine and it is not a single person. It has many many rich tycoons. It has many many scholars. How much do these people feel for each other, and share knowledge and resource? A large number of such people are kameeney and kanjoos, bukhal and miserly. It has many many countries that bicker and fight each other. Why did Iran not come out and give Musharraf an advice right after 9-11 or Ayatollah Khamenei take the trouble to go to Pakistan to meet Musharraf before he was to take the fatal plunge into his U-turn? Why Pakistan and Iran did not have good relations and Iran not consulted when China and Saudi Arabia was consulted? The need is to consider all arguments, pro and anti to arrive at the correct balance point.

Just read the history of the islamic world and find backstabbing after backstabbing and now the element of sycophancy to the white race, HASAD with your own kind and so on.

The land reforms in pakistan is the need of the time to deprive all Brit Chamchas of their ill-gotten big lands.

I want to see the muslim generosity to the muslim in your own cities and towns and across the borders so that job and talent market value of a muslim can be increased in the international market, and this will now stir the society and hurt the old interests. Imran Khan, whether it was muta or zina, would come to power and do the land reform and take hard decisions that other vested interest chamchas like Nawaz and Zardari wont do.

The revolution will happen because evolution was stopped.

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1. Was/is Osama Bin laden supported by USA- in Afghanistan?

2. Was Saddam Hussain given weopons by USA to fight Iran?

3. Is USA supporting the terrorists in Syria?

The scenario Would be different if middle east is peacefully allowed to decide its own future. It happens many times that those who lit fire burn their own hands.

1. Does Iran support Hizbullah?

2. Did Iran get weapons from the US?

3. Has Iran supported a dictator in Syria?

All the above will be justified, yet when US does something for it's own self interest it's unacceptable?

Double standards.

I'm not defending the US nor attacking Iran, that's how country's work, they all have a self agenda.

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1. Does Iran support Hizbullah?

2. Did Iran get weapons from the US?

3. Has Iran supported a dictator in Syria?

All the above will be justified, yet when US does something for it's own self interest it's unacceptable?

Double standards.

I'm not defending the US nor attacking Iran, that's how country's work, they all have a self agenda.

Minor correction - Iran got weapons both from US and Israel. and the Iranian religious people love to come to the US, a very double game. I am pissed off at the fact that they could not conceal that single used centrifuge that was provided to them, and brought pakistan to the wrath of the USA and zionists for which they did the whole of 9-11 job.

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1. Does Iran support Hizbullah?

2. Did Iran get weapons from the US?

3. Has Iran supported a dictator in Syria?

All the above will be justified, yet when US does something for it's own self interest it's unacceptable?

Double standards.

I'm not defending the US nor attacking Iran, that's how country's work, they all have a self agenda.

Giving weopons for self defence is different from giving it to initiate trouble in an otherwise peaceful country. I am equally concerned about the lifes of innocent shia, sunni, Christian or Jews. And I do not consider any one party to be on the right. All have issues but the goal of my discussion was to imagine a middle east in case of a war

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Arabs,Iranians,Turks,Africans,Afghans, please go and do read the comments here, which have now swelled from 6 to 33.

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/editorials/30-Apr-2013/ahmadinejad-s-warning

Pakistani media is open, free and fair, and you put comments on your own time and it will show them. It is not like the US,Indian,or Iranian presstv.ir media that censors and biases the news.

All the bootlickers and چاپلوس can read the comments ... if you know what I mean.

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Arabs,Iranians,Turks,Africans,Afghans, please go and do read the comments here, which have now swelled from 6 to 33.

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/editorials/30-Apr-2013/ahmadinejad-s-warning

Pakistani media is open, free and fair, and you put comments on your own time and it will show them. It is not like the US,Indian,or Iranian presstv.ir media that censors and biases the news.

All the bootlickers and چاپلوس can read the comments ... if you know what I mean.

Its abusive dude. No comment has common sense in it.

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Its abusive dude. No comment has common sense in it.

Those are the emotions of Indians with which arabs,afghans and iranians are so chummy with for half a century. I think, these nationalities of Islam should find more "common sense" in their policies.

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Those are the emotions of Indians with which arabs,afghans and iranians are so chummy with for half a century. I think, these nationalities of Islam should find more "common sense" in their policies.

You are naive. You really don't know who the person is behind a name and people like you get carried away without thinking for a second

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You are naive. You really don't know who the person is behind a name and people like you get carried away without thinking for a second

so you think its CIA or Mossad doing it to start a war between pakistan and india? Anyway, its proof of the existence of a virulent mutual enemy, dajjals or their foot-soldiers. i admire your reasoning and leadership. instead of focusing on the need for unity, you speculate on its origin.The subject of this thread was more focussed on unity and seeing what is in the ambit of our freewill.

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Lets admit it. We all have such negative and limited thinking. Whats wrong with us all? :(

SOMEONE has to poke their nose into each and everything going around the world, especially in middle east, and selflessly correct things for the benefit of the people. The Mustard gas chem weapons that the US gave to their Saddam were actually for the betterment of the people. Since we care so much about them. Similarly, don't call US hypocrites when it shoves "democracy" (and puppet governments) down the throat of a perfectly healthy Muslim country AND simultaneously allows, supports and protects the Al-Saud monarchy. Because, you're unable to understand such things. Osama had to be used in the crusade against Russia and it was better for so many of the people. Then he was again used for the next crusade into Iraq but it was a mistake since there were no WMDs but oh well we decided to occupy the country and its vast oil reserves any way. Can't trust Al-Sauds forever can you? But then quickly we corrected our course and took the war right to their doorstep in Afghanistan and in bordering tribal areas. Targeting weddings, mosques and schools with our air force's bombs were honest mistakes. Laser guided bombs that can accurately target a man's ear on the ground are so expensive but also prone to malfunction and target large masses of people due to overwhelmingly large infra red signatures emitting from such places.

Why does everyone here hate US so much for no obvious reason? :no:

Hating the US isn't really going to accomplish anything is it brother. America is powerful right now, so it's conquering the weak. Back when Muslims were powerful, they also conquered the weak.

If you want to defeat a bully, you have to be smarter than him and stronger than him. Whining about him achieves nothing.

The Arabs need to get their act together instead of fighting amongst themselves and frittering away their immense wealth.

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Hating the US isn't really going to accomplish anything is it brother. America is powerful right now, so it's conquering the weak. Back when Muslims were powerful, they also conquered the weak.

If you want to defeat a bully, you have to be smarter than him and stronger than him. Whining about him achieves nothing.

The Arabs need to get their act together instead of fighting amongst themselves and frittering away their immense wealth.

This^ Agreed completely. Rather than whining, mind your own business and do your own thing as independent from these superpowers as possible. Get an education, pour money into your home countries and help them. Talk to your congressmen and senators if ur in the west or run for elections so that u can influence policy. Military power means nothing much, you want to defeat a bully you do it by being smarter. like they did to the soviets, they had tons of nukes more than any other country but they still broke that empire up.

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Its not whining, but passing on the signal. Its like a disease when the virus invades, you have to send signal throughout the body that an invader has entered. Its important. The video below shows you how the yanks inserted their forces into afghanistan, maybe misled by the zionists, you have to watch the whole of it with this angle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otJBiv9zY38

On the other side, india is stealing water of 180 million people, three times the population of Iran. They have inserted anti-pakistan forces there. If pakistan falls, Iran will not survive by itself. It will be the next target. China and Russia thereafter.

The muslim world is not all subjugated like palestine and it is not a single person. It has many many rich tycoons. It has many many scholars. How much do these people feel for each other, and share knowledge and resource? A large number of such people are kameeney and kanjoos, bukhal and miserly. It has many many countries that bicker and fight each other. Why did Iran not come out and give Musharraf an advice right after 9-11 or Ayatollah Khamenei take the trouble to go to Pakistan to meet Musharraf before he was to take the fatal plunge into his U-turn? Why Pakistan and Iran did not have good relations and Iran not consulted when China and Saudi Arabia was consulted? The need is to consider all arguments, pro and anti to arrive at the correct balance point.

Just read the history of the islamic world and find backstabbing after backstabbing and now the element of sycophancy to the white race, HASAD with your own kind and so on.

The land reforms in pakistan is the need of the time to deprive all Brit Chamchas of their ill-gotten big lands.

I want to see the muslim generosity to the muslim in your own cities and towns and across the borders so that job and talent market value of a muslim can be increased in the international market, and this will now stir the society and hurt the old interests. Imran Khan, whether it was muta or zina, would come to power and do the land reform and take hard decisions that other vested interest chamchas like Nawaz and Zardari wont do.

The revolution will happen because evolution was stopped.

Unity is needed and broadcasting this signal is essential to wake up our people many of whom are rich tycoons and in the disease of WAHAN.

There is a disease of WAHAN, or maybe infection that has to be cured. The cure is to share the most valuable gems of your knowledge in the most concentrated form.

The enemy of Islam is working overtime. You can go there and see their comments. Presstv.ir censors or moderates so you cant see them. Nation is where you see them. Its an important signal.

Nation.com.pk

The other day, I met a very kameena guy here on this forum who wont tell a simple bit of info openly when its known in the open literature. The disease of WAHAN is to be cured.

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so you think its CIA or Mossad doing it to start a war between pakistan and india? Anyway, its proof of the existence of a virulent mutual enemy, dajjals or their foot-soldiers. i admire your reasoning and leadership. instead of focusing on the need for unity, you speculate on its origin.The subject of this thread was more focussed on unity and seeing what is in the ambit of our freewill.

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