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We have bulk of Sunni reports of traditions in Hadith books from Aisha. What is the reason of it? Even there were other pious and rigtheous wives of the prophet saww like Umme Salma and Umme Ayman, but they have not the traditions more than 5% of those reported by Aisha alone?

Is it the reason Aisha was the daughter of Abubakr? or

She was the only one who fought a war against Imam Ali A.s. resulting in killinkgs of thouands of muslims?

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They adore ayesha because she was the wife of prophetsaws and daughter of their beloved 1st caliph but they can turn a blind eye on jang e jamal and become aashiqane rasool saws.

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We have bulk of Sunni reports of traditions in Hadith books from Aisha. What is the reason of it? Even there were other pious and rigtheous wives of the prophet saww like Umme Salma and Umme Ayman, but they have not the traditions more than 5% of those reported by Aisha alone?

Is it the reason Aisha was the daughter of Abubakr? or

She was the only one who fought a war against Imam Ali A.s. resulting in killinkgs of thouands of muslims?

main reason is because Aisha lived a long life and she had many disciples who disseminated that as her sayings as hadith, God knows how true they are

sunnis generally are symmpathtic to Ali and not to his ummayyad opponents so they like to ignore at best the jang-e-Jamal they rarely ever defend aisha actions there only get defensive when shia viciously attack aisha

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Umme Salma was the last of the Prophet Mohammad (Saww) wives to die. It was in 59 or 62 A. H. She was 84 at the time of her death. Umme Salma also have long life, but not many traditions reported from her. Why the same numbers atleast have not been reported from Umme Salama?

This shows some titl has been deliberately given to the religion by accepting one eyed view. Generally the Sunni are supporter of Aisha and they neglect her role in battle of camel which indictes they support all the ummayyads action against Imam Ali, Since Aisha did nothing except the favour of ummayads agenda against Imam Ali.

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^ Yes but Umme Salma was likely more careful in narrating traditions and Aisha was more of a loose cannon and traditions is not simple matter since a lot depends on the disciples and how relevent the tradition is to the traditional dogma of a certain sectarian belief.Aishas disciples played the big role in popularizing her narrations otherwise you see that the majority fo badris narrated very few traditions while some late converts narrated thousands so its not a perfect science in anyway.

Generally the Sunni are supporter of Aisha and they neglect her role in battle of camel which indictes they support all the ummayyads action against Imam Ali, Since Aisha did nothing except the favour of ummayads agenda against Imam Ali.

No Aisha was not very fond of ummayyads she just wanted their support to unseat Ali so that she and her beloved talha can rule over the Ummah.remeber that both muhmmad and abdur rehman sons of abu bakr were hostile to ummayyads and aisha herself played a key role in agitation against uthman

just to remind you sunnis have also taken THOUSANDs of traditions from Ibn Abbas, Abu Seed Al khudri , Jabir b Abdullah, zayd b arqam, bara b azib were are all symmpathetic to ALi and suppported ALi during his caliphate.

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Thus it is confirmed that the traditions are taken from only wife of the prophet in discrimination of the other wives to tilt the religion and this tilted one is followed by sunnis.

The narrations of one wife shows the biasness in selection of traditions, who against the order of quran (And abide in your houses and do not display yourselves as [was] the display of the former times of ignorance. 33:33) went to fight Imam Ali. Thus she proved herself what the quran threats (O wives of the Prophet, whoever of you should commit a clear immorality - for her the punishment would be doubled two fold, and ever is that, for Allah , easy. 33:30). Allah also thretaens her to divorce (Perhaps his Lord, if he divorced you [all], would substitute for him wives better than you - submitting [to Allah ], believing, devoutly obedient, repentant, worshipping, and traveling - [ones] previously married and virgins 66:5). Moreover the narractions of suckling of an adult, narrations of jealouys with other wives of the prophet, enmity with Imam Ali and Ahl al bayat, etc all these show that this resulted in the titlted religion to reach to the followers.

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^ Not at all, sunnism is based on compromise and is definately Pro-Alid in its stance, and has come a long way from the times of Ummayyads when ASWJ was definately anti-Ali when any veneration of Ali and his partisans was banned.

Simply taking more traditions from Aisha is not based on discrimination its the same case with Sahaba, very few traditions come from Talha, Abu Bakr and Umar directly in sunni sources as well.

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so that she and her beloved talha can rule over the Ummah.

I seek refuge with Allah from such evil thinking. There was a reason She and other wives of the Prophet (saw) were honored with the title of mother of believers. Just like in the Quran Makkah is called 'Ummul Qura' mother of valleys.

Secondly, the Talha who had intentions to marry Sayyeda Aisha (ra) was totally a different person not the one who took part in battle of Jamal.

That person who had intentions to marry Sayyeda Aisha (ra) was Talha ibn Ubaidullah ibn Musafa’ ibn Ayyaz ibn Sakhar ibn Aamir ibn Kaab al-Tamimi al-Qarshi.

The person who was in battle of Jamal and one of the ten promised paradise was: Talha ibn Ubaidullah ibn Uthman ibn Amr ibn Kaab al-Tamimi al-Qarshi.

I know many people have this confusion. This is mentioned in Usudul Ghaba, Vol. 5, p. 122.

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^ Not at all, sunnism is based on compromise and is definately Pro-Alid in its stance, and has come a long way from the times of Ummayyads when ASWJ was definately anti-Ali when any veneration of Ali and his partisans was banned.

Simply taking more traditions from Aisha is not based on discrimination its the same case with Sahaba, very few traditions come from Talha, Abu Bakr and Umar directly in sunni sources as well.

Yes sunni are Pro-Alid, as they take bulk of traditions from only one wife of the prophet saww, who was the daughter of their 1st caliph.

Yes they are Pro-Alid as they blindly follow her who led a war against the son in law of the prophet saw ei Imam Ali. He was the husband of Lady of the paradise. This resulted in killings of thousands of innocent Muslims.

Yes they Pro-Alid as their 3 caliphs kept Imam Ali away from his true right of the succession / khilafa of the prophet saw. Imam Ali openly declared it at many occasions. The Sermon no 3 from Nehjul Balagha clearly mentions this fact.

Sermon 3 of Nahjul Balagha

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[This is the famous sermon of Shiqshiqiyyah. It is so named because while Imam Ali was delivering it an Iraqi got up and presented a letter to him. He got busy in reading it. When he had finished the letter Abdullah Ibn Abbas requested him to continue his sermon. The Imam replied, " Ibn Abbas ! This speech of mine was extempore and was being delivered at the impulse of that moment like the Shiqshiqiyyah (the roar of a camel), it can't be continued." So far as the subject is concerned the sermon is self-explanatory.]

Beware! By Allah the son of Abu Quhafah (Abu Bakr) dressed himself with it (the caliphate) and he certainly knew that my position in relation to it was the same as the position of the axis in relation to the hand-mill. The flood water flows down from me and the bird cannot fly upto me. I put a curtain against the caliphate and kept myself detached from it.

Then I began to think whether I should assault or endure calmly the blinding darkness of tribulations wherein the grown up are made feeble and the young grow old and the true believer acts under strain till he meets Allah (on his death). I found that endurance thereon was wiser. So I adopted patience although there was [Edited Out]ing in the eye and suffocation (of mortification) in the throat. I watched the plundering of my inheritance till the first one went his way but handed over the Caliphate to Ibn al-Khattab after himself.

(Then he quoted al-A`sha's verse).

My days are now passed on the camel's back (in difficulty) while there were days (of ease) when I enjoyed the company of Jabir's brother Hayyan.(3)

It is strange that during his lifetime he wished to be released from the caliphate but he confirmed it for the other one after his death. No doubt these two shared its udders strictly among themselves. This one put the Caliphate in a tough enclosure where the utterance was haughty and the touch was rough. Mistakes were in plenty and so also the excuses therefore. One in contact with it was like the rider of an unruly camel. If he pulled up its rein the very nostril would be slit, but if he let it loose he would be thrown. Consequently, by Allah people got involved in recklessness, wickedness, unsteadiness and deviation.

Nevertheless, I remained patient despite length of period and stiffness of trial, till when he went his way (of death) he put the matter (of Caliphate) in a group(4) and regarded me to be one of them. But good Heavens! what had I to do with this "consultation"? Where was any doubt about me with regard to the first of them that I was now considered akin to these ones? But I remained low when they were low and flew high when they flew high. One of them turned against me because of his hatred and the other got inclined the other way due to his in-law relationship and this thing and that thing, till the third man of these people stood up with heaving breasts between his dung and fodder. With him his children of his grand-father, (Umayyah) also stood up swallowing up Allah's wealth(5) like a camel devouring the foliage of spring, till his rope broke down, his actions finished him and his gluttony brought him down prostrate.

At that moment, nothing took me by surprise, but the crowd of people rushing to me. It advanced towards me from every side like the mane of the hyena so much so that Hasan and Husayn were getting crushed and both the ends of my shoulder garment were torn. They collected around me like the herd of sheep and goats. When I took up the reins of government one party broke away and another turned disobedient while the rest began acting wrongfully as if they had not heard the word of Allah saying:

That abode in the hereafter, We assign it for those who intend not to exult themselves in the earth, nor (to make) mischief (therein); and the end is (best) for the pious ones. (Qur'an, 28:83)

Yes, by Allah, they had heard it and understood it but the world appeared glittering in their eyes and its embellishments seduced them. Behold, by Him who split the grain (to grow) and created living beings, if people had not come to me and supporters had not exhausted the argument and if there had been no pledge of Allah with the learned to the effect that they should not acquiesce in the gluttony of the oppressor and the hunger of the oppressed I would have cast the rope of Caliphate on its own shoulders, and would have given the last one the same treatment as to the first one. Then you would have seen that in my view this world of yours is no better than the sneezing of a goat.

What kind of Pro-Alid they claim to be?

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I seek refuge with Allah from such evil thinking. There was a reason She and other wives of the Prophet (saw) were honored with the title of mother of believers. Just like in the Quran Makkah is called 'Ummul Qura' mother of valleys.

Secondly, the Talha who had intentions to marry Sayyeda Aisha (ra) was totally a different person not the one who took part in battle of Jamal.

That person who had intentions to marry Sayyeda Aisha (ra) was Talha ibn Ubaidullah ibn Musafa’ ibn Ayyaz ibn Sakhar ibn Aamir ibn Kaab al-Tamimi al-Qarshi.

The person who was in battle of Jamal and one of the ten promised paradise was: Talha ibn Ubaidullah ibn Uthman ibn Amr ibn Kaab al-Tamimi al-Qarshi.

I know many people have this confusion. This is mentioned in Usudul Ghaba, Vol. 5, p. 122.

Yes I saw the Usdul Ghaba article on the second Talha in which nothing else is mentioned on him , convenient way to shift the blame from Talha who actually fought and died for Aisha's glory in Jamal

Yes sunni are Pro-Alid, as they take bulk of traditions from only one wife of the prophet saww, who was the daughter of their 1st caliph.

Yes they are Pro-Alid as they blindly follow her who led a war against the son in law of the prophet saw ei Imam Ali. He was the husband of Lady of the paradise. This resulted in killings of thousands of innocent Muslims.

sunni official stance is Aisha was wrong and Ali was right but since sunni islam is based on harmonizing views they shift blame from her to lesser known people for events.So they don't "blindly" follow her approach in Jamal

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I seek refuge with Allah from such evil thinking. There was a reason She and other wives of the Prophet (saw) were honored with the title of mother of believers. Just like in the Quran Makkah is called 'Ummul Qura' mother of valleys.

Secondly, the Talha who had intentions to marry Sayyeda Aisha (ra)was totally a different person not the one who took part in battle of Jamal.

That person who had intentions to marry Sayyeda Aisha (ra)was Talha ibn Ubaidullah ibn Musafa’ ibn Ayyaz ibn Sakhar ibn Aamir ibn Kaab al-Tamimi al-Qarshi.

The person who was in battle of Jamal and one of the ten promised paradise was: Talha ibn Ubaidullah ibn Uthman ibn Amr ibn Kaab al-Tamimi al-Qarshi.

I know many people have this confusion. This is mentioned in Usudul Ghaba, Vol. 5, p. 122.

Sorry to spoil your party but the Talha who was eying on Ayesha to marry her was the same Talha along with whom Ayesha head led the rebellion. As for your use of Ibn Athir’s Usudul Ghaba, he has actually copies it from Ibn Shaheen which has no proof to substantiate his claim. This has already been answered by Ibn Hajar in al-Isaba, v3, p433:

وذكره أو موسى في الذيل عن ابن شاهين بغير إسناد

Abu Musad recorded in al-Thail from ibn Shaheen but it has no chain of narration.

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Salam

The real reason why Aisha has most reports is because of her history and her wisdom. Aisha (ra) was beloved by the prophet (saws) and she was respected by the Ummah. She was one of the wife's of the prophet (saws) that was "Hafiz", which means that she memorized the hole Quran! She therefore had the best memorisation and there she is a truthfull person in the Hadiths. According to the officele law schools, Aisha is the first female scholars (and even called the first scholar in islam). In some Sunni hadith is said that if people had doubts they should ask Aisha because of her knowledge of Islam was so great.

In the light of the above, Aisha is an important person in Islam and therefore she was Reported in the Hadith.

Wa Salam

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If we look to verify the claim of sunnis that they are Pro-Alid, the following facts are important that describe the truth:

Total traditions in Al bukhari by Aisha = 1250 Nos (So bulk)

Total traditions in Al bukhari by Ali = 79 Nos only

This confirm that they blindly follow the religion from Aisha, who against the order of quran (And abide in your houses and do not display yourselves as [was] the display of the former times of ignorance. 33:33) went to fight Imam Ali.

Thus she was threatened by the quran In these words (O wives of the Prophet, whoever of you should commit a clear immorality - for her the punishment would be doubled two fold, and ever is that, for Allah , easy. 33:30).

Allah also threatens her to divorce (Perhaps his Lord, if he divorced you [all], would substitute for him wives better than you - submitting [to Allah ], believing, devoutly obedient, repentant, worshipping, and traveling - [ones] previously married and virgins 66:5).

This shows that the sunni are just claiming to be Pro Alid but they are actually Pro Aisha, this resulted in the tilted religion to reach to the followers.

The sunni also claim to be Pro Alid in order to save themselves while the truth is that their 3 caliphs kept Imam Ali away from his true right of the succession / khilafa of the prophet saw. Imam Ali openly declared it at many occasions.

Thus it is confirmed that the claim of sunnis to be Pro Alid is certainly false.

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The jealousy of Ali contained inside comes out and itself speaks up. The lie of following Ali or being Pro Alid by sunni stance is proven even after 1400 years. They only follow Aisha and 3 caliphs and they lie to follow Imam Ali as 4th caliph.

It also proves the prophet sayings that Momin loves Ali and munafiq hates him.

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good question


She said once she addressed to the Messenger of Allah: "I smell Maghafir (a kind of flower having a very bad odor) from you." She said this in order to prevent him from visiting the house of Umm al-Mu'minin Zainab (RA) and eating honey there. This is the claim of Aisha. No other people mentioned this. As I will point out shortly, the story said by Umar regarding the revelation of divorce verses, is much different than the context of what Aisha said.:

Sahih Bukhari Hadith: 6.434
Narrated Aisha:

Allah's Apostle used to drink honey in the house of Zainab, the daughter of Jahsh, and would stay there with her. So Hafsa and I agreed secretly that, if he come to either of us, she would say to him "It seems you have eaten Maghafir (a kind of bad-smelling resin), for I smell in you the smell of Maghafir."

Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith 7.192

Narrated 'Ubaid bin Umar:

I heard Aisha saying, "The Prophet used to stay for a long while with Zainab Bint Jahsh and drink honey at her house. So Hafsa and I decided that if the Prophet came to anyone of us, she should say him, "I detect the smell of Maghafir (a nasty smelling gum) in you. Have you eaten Maghafir?'... So there was revealed: 'O Prophet ! Why do you ban (for you) that which Allah has made lawful for you . . . If you two (wives of Prophet) turn in repentance to Allah,' (66:1-4) addressing Aisha and Hafsa. 'When the Prophet disclosed a matter in confidence to some of his wives.'(66:3)

Tradition 8.682 of Sahih al-Bukhari is also similar to above and is narrated by Aisha himself. No other person narrated the story of honey in connection with the divorce verses. Please also see the previous article where we mentioned Sahih al-Bukhari, Tradition 7.119. In that tradition which is narrated by Umar, the Prophet (PBUH&HF) did not enter to the house of Aisha and Hafsa for one full month as a punishment for their aggressive actions. Considering the compassionate and the gentle personality of the Prophet (PBUH&HF), such severe punishment and the threat to divorce just for their saying to the Prophet "You smell Maghafir" (as Aisha claimed) does not seem reasonable. Quran confirms that the charges against Hafsa and Aisha was revealing a secret news:

 

When the Prophet disclosed a matter in confidence to one of his wives (i.e., Hafsa) and she then divulged it (i.e., to Aisha) and Allah made it known to him, he made known (to her) part thereof and passed over part. Then when he (i.e., the Prophet) told her thereof, she said: "Who told you this?" He said "He who knows and is well-aware (of all things) told me." (Quran 66.3)

 

 

It seems that the report of Umar is more accurate. Umar said: "The Prophet kept away from his wives for twenty-nine days because of the story which Hafsa had disclosed to Aisha." (See Sahih al-Bukhari 7.119 and 6.435). This is much different than the story made by Aisha about honey.
After one month that the Prophet deserted his wives, and when the words of Allah: "You may defer any one of them you wish and take to your self any you wish and there is no sin for you to take back any of them you have (temporarily) set aside (33:51)" were revealed, Aisha said to the Prophet:

"It seems to me that your Lord hastens to satisfy your desire!"

Sunni references:

  • Sahih Muslim, English version, Chapter DLXXII (titled: Permissibility of bestowing the turn on one's fellow wife), v2, pp 748-749, Traditions #3453-3454
  • Sahih Muslim, Arabic version, 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, v2, pp 1085-1086, Traditions #49-50

Her evil conduct in the presence of the Prophet of Allah (PBUH&HF) reached a point that while he was praying, she would spread her feet towards his direction of prostration. When he prostrated and pinched them, she retracted them. When he stood up for the rest of the prayer, she would spread her feet out again:

Sahih Bukhari Hadith: 1.492 & 1.379
Narrated Aisha:

"I used to sleep in front of Allah's Apostle with my legs opposite his Qibla (facing him); and whenever he prostrated, he pushed my feet and I withdrew them and whenever he stood, I stretched them."

 



Narrated Ibn Abbas: For the whole year I had the desire to ask 'Umar bin Al-Khattab regarding the explanation of a Verse (in Surat Al-Tahrim) but I could not ask him because I respected him very much. When he went to perform the Hajj, I too went along with him. On our return, while we were still on the way home. 'Umar went aside to answer the call of nature by the Arak trees. I waited till he finished and then I proceeded with him and asked him. "O chief of the Believers! Who were the two wives of the Prophet who aided one another against him?" He said, "They were Hafsa and 'Aisha."  SAHIH AL BUKHARI

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There are dozens of sahīh narrations proving her dishonesty. And it's not surprising, because if she had some taqwah, she would not have fought Imam Ali (as) or fired arrows on the dead body of Imam al Hassan (as).

 

I completely disagree with those filthy things a minority of the Shia are attributing her to though. The mainstream Shia do not have that belief (directed at Sunnis who may be a little confused).

 

But, it is a fact that she sat on the camel in the middle of the battle of Jamal (where thousands of Muslims were killed), and it is a fact that she was dishonest, and the first few ayahs of Surat al Tahrīm slate her and Hafsah's īmān.

 

The same goes for Abu Hurrairah (him and Aisha's narrations make up about half of Sahīh Bukhari!). Narrations state that when Umar ibn al Khattab found out he was fabricating hadiths for money he had him beat.

 

However, it must be made clear that it isn't the mainstream belief of the Shia that filthy language should be used or anything like that. I can't remember the line exactly from Nahjul Balagha but Imam Ali (as) says something like: She would have not done what she did for any other person but me, and her chest built up with anger and hatred, but, she is the wife of the Prophet (pbuh), and is still to be given her original integrity (as the wife of the Prophet). 

 

Before Yasir Habīb fans come at me, there is a difference between filthy language/insults and la'nah (which Allah allows as per the Qur'an). The former cannot be done, the latter is permissible.

 

By the way, why are Sunni's always using this "mothers of the believers" excuse. As per all the tafsīrs of the Qur'an, all it means is that they can't marry after the death of the Prophet (pbuh). That's it. If you want to know what Allah says about Aisha and Hafsah, look at the first few verses of Surat al Tahrīm, which shows that they are far from reliable hadīth narrators (liars in fact).

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