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Imam Mahdi Birth In Sunni Tradition

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May Allah forgive me, and have Mercy on Imam Mahdi, he has to go through many hurdles and hardships, He will not come from ghaibah, He is borned and will appear in Makkah, insha-Allah ! He will be tried to kill by salafi saudis and sunnis will doubt him and shia will not assist him and maybe killed by shias for not coming from ghaibah and will follow dajjal thinking Mahdi, easy for non muslims, Allah hu Akbar.

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This BlackNight guy has alot of time on his hands...all he does is come on this forum a refute everything...loool about things say haha...then you ask why we can't take you seriously? Your ego will get the better of you one day...

as you said @blacknight "But I guess from chatting with you brother and your flawed logic this is your responses WITHOUT THINKING"

FLAWED LOGIC?

Seriously....the same people who believe The Jaal is on a island...but when we ask you to believe the Mehdi is born with PROOFS...you say MYTH etc etc etc only to suite your own beliefs..

YOU BELIEVE THE JAAL CAN BE ALIVE LIVING FOR MORE THAN 1400 YEARS...

wait you Believe according to Ahlus Sunnah Evil can be in Alive for x amount of years but Good cannot....

who's logic is flawed?

God willing on the day of judgement you will be asked about your sarcastic LOL's haha's regarding the Mehdi....

Show respect to the Mehdi by saying their may be proof but i'm unsure...don't disrespect him...

"you want to be apart of Mehdi's army...You know hes from the Ahlulbayt....yet on Ashura you fast for the children of Bani Israel yet you forgot about the Children of Mohammed"

answer me 2 questions:

WHERE IS THE JAAL?

&&

Where is PROPHET ESA

If you are your mothers son...answer those questions you will see how flawed your logic is....that when it comes to Evil like the Jaal you believe he has one eye...hes alive etcc... but when we talk about the saviour of mankind you talk bad about him....

AWWWWWW REACHED THE END OF YOUR TETHER????

L O L

OK here is son e proof from SAHIH BUKHARI on dajjal written 1400 years ago

Amir b. Sharahil Sha'bi Sha'b Hamdan reported that he asked Fatima, daughter of Qais and sister of ad-Dahhak b. Qais and she was the first amongst the emigrant women: Narrate to me a hadith which you had heard directly from Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) and there is no extra link in between them. She said: Very well, if you like, I am prepared to do that, and he said to her: Well, do It and narrate that to me. She said: I married the son of Mughira and he was a chosen young man of Quraish at that time, but he fell as a martyr in the first Jihad (fighting) on the side of Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam). When I became a widow, 'Abd al-Rahman b. Auf, one amongst the group of the Companions of Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam), sent me the proposal of marriage. Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) also sent me such a message for his freed slave Usama b. Zaid. And it had been conveyed to me that Allaah's Messenger (way sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) had said (about Usama): He who loves me should also love Usima. When Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) talked to me (about this matter), I said: My affairs are in your hand. You may marry me to anyone whom you like. He said: You better shift now to the house of Umm Sharik, and Umm Sharik was a rich lady from amongst the Anqir. She spent generously for the cause of Allaah and entertained guests very hospitably. I said: Well, I will do as you like. He said: Do not do that for Umm Sharik is a woman who is very frequently vizited by guests and I do not like that your head may be uncovered or the cloth may be removed from your shank and the strangers may catch sight of them which you abhor. You better shift to the house of your cousin 'Abdullah b. 'Amr b. Umm Maktum and he is a person of the Bani Fihr branch of the Quraish, and he belonged to that tribe (to which Fatima) belonged. So I shifted to that house, and when my period of waiting was over, I heard the voice of an announcer making an announcement that the prayer would be observed in the mosque (where) congregational prayer (is observed).

So I set out towards that mosque and observed prayer along with Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) and I was in the row of the women which was near the row of men. When Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) had finished his prayer, he sat on the pulpit smiling and said: Every worshipper should keep sitting at his place. He then said: Do you know why I had asked you to assemble? They said: Allaah and His Messenger know best. He said: By Allaah. I have not made you assemble for exhortation or for a warning, but I have detained you here, for Tamim Dari, a Christian, who came and accepted Islam, told me something, which agrees with what I was-telling, yuu about the Dajjal. He narrated to me that he had sailed in a ship along with thirty men of Bani Lakhm and Bani Judham and had been tossed by waves in the ocean for a month. Then these (waves) took them (near) the land within the ocean (island) at the time of sunset. They sat in a small side-boat and entered that Island. There was a beast with long thick hair (and because of these) they could not distinguish his face from his back. They said: Woe to you, who can you be? Thereupon it said: I am al-Jassasa. They said: What is al-Jassasa? And it said: O people, go to this person in the monastery as he is very much eager to know about you. He (the narrator) said: When it named a person for us we were afraid of it lest it should be a Devil. Then we hurriedly went on till we came to that monastery and found a well-built person there with his hands tied to his neck and having iron shackles between his two legs up to the ankles. We said: Woe be upon thee, who are you? And he said: You would soon come to know about me. but tell me who are you. We said: We are people from Arabia and we embarked upon a boat but the sea-waves had been driving us for one month and they brought as near this island. We got Into the side-boats and entered this island and here a beast met us with profusely thick hair and because of the thickness of his hair his face could not be distinguished from his back. We said: Woe be to thee, who are you? It said: I am al- Jassasa. We said: What is al-Jassasa? And it said: You go to this very person in the monastery for he is eagerly waiting for you to know about you. So we came to you in hot haste fearing that that might be the Devil. He (that chained person) said: Tell me about the date-palm trees of Baisan. We &aid: About what aspect of theirs do you seek information? He said: I ask you whether these trees bear fruit or not.

We said: Yes Thereupon he said: I think these would not bear fruits. He said: Inform me about the lake of Tabariyya? We said: Which aspect of it do you want to know? He said: Is there water in it? They said: There is abundance of water in it. Thereupon he said: I think it would soon become dry. He again said: Inform me about the spring of Zughar. They said: Which aspect of it you want to know? He (the chained person) said: Is there water in it and does it irrigate (the land)? We said to him: Yes, there is abundance of water in it and the inhabitants (of Medina) irrigate (land) with the help of it, He said: Inform me about the unlettered Prophet; what has he done? We said: He has come out from Mecca and has settled In Yathrib (Medina). He said: Do the Arabs fight against him? We said: Yes. He said: How did he deal with him? We informed him that he had overcome those in his neighbourhood and they had submitted themselves before him. Thereupon he said to us: Had it actually happened? We said: Yes. Thereupon he said: If it is so that is better for them that they should show obedience to him. I am going to tell you about. myself and I am Dajjal and would be soon permitted to get out and so I shall get out and travel in the land, and will not spare any town where I would not stay for forty nights except Mecca and Medina as these two (places) are prohibited (areas) for me and I would not make an attempt to enter any one of these two. An angel with a sword in his hand would confront me and would bar my way and there would be angels to guard every passage leading to it; then Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) striking the pulpit with the help of the end of his staff said: This implies Taiba meaning Medina. Have I not, told you an account (of the Dajjal) like this? 'The people said: Yes, and this account narrated by Tamim Dari was liked by me for it corroborates the account which I gave to you in regard to him (Dajjal) at Medina and Mecca. Behold he (Dajjal) is in the Syrian sea (Mediterranian) or the Yemen sea (Arabian sea). Nay, on the contrary, he As In the east, he is in the east, he is in the east, and he pointed with his hand towards the east. I (Fatima bint Qais) said: I preserved It In my mind (this narration from Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam).

No. 7029

Al-Sha'bi reported: We visited Fatima b. Qais and she served us fresh dates which are called rutab and she also served us barley. I asked her about that woman in whose case three divorces had been pronounced as to how much time she should count as the waiting period. She said: My husband pronounced three divorces in my case and Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) permitted me to spend any waiting period in my family. (It was during this period) that announcement was made for the people to observe prayer in the bigger Mosque. I went there along with people and I was in the front row meant for women and it was adjacent to the last row of men and I heard Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) deliver sermon sitting on the pulpit. He said: The cousin of Tamim (Dari) sailed in the ocean. The rest of the hadith is the same but with this addition:" (I see) as if I am looking to Allaah's Prophet (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) pointing his rod towards the land (and saying): It is Taiba, i. e. Medina."

No. 7030

Tamim Dari came to Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) and informed Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) that he sailed in an ocean and his ship lost direction and thus landed at an island. They moved about in that land in search of water. There they saw a person who had been pulling his hair. The rest of the hadith is the same. And he (Dajjal) said: If I were to be permitted to set out I would have covered all the lands except Taiba. Then Allaah's Messerger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) brought (Tamim Dari) before the public and he narrated to them and said: That is Taiba and that is the Dajjal.

No. 7031

Fatima b. Qais reported that Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) sat on the pulpit and said: O people, Tamim Dari has reported to me that some persons of his tribe sailed in the ocean in a boat and it capsised and then some of them travelled on one of the planks of the boat and they went to an island in the ocean. The rest of the hadith is the same.

No. 7032

Anas b. Malik reported that Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) said: There will be no land which would not be covered by the Dajjal but Mecca and Medina, and there would no passage out of the passages leading to them which would not be guarded by angels arranged in rows. Then he (the Dajjal) would appear in a barren place adjacent to Medina and it would rock three times that every unbeliever and hypocrite would get out of it towards him.

No. 7033

This hadith has been transmitted on the authority of Anas that Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) said this but with this addition that (the Dajjal would come) and pitch his tent in the waste-land of Juruf and thus there would come out of (the city) every hypocrite, man and woman.

Now on to Eesa alaihe salaam FROM QURANIC EVIDENCE BECAUSE HE IS THE PROPHET OF Allah SUBHANAWATALLAH

Let's look at verse 4:156-159 "That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge; That they said (in boast): 'We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.' But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjunction to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise. And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness Against them

Let us look at verse 3:55 "Behold! Allah said: O Jesus! I will take thee And raise thee to Myself And clear thee (of the falsehoods) Of those who blaspheme; I will make those Who follow thee superior To those who reject faith, To the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, And I will judge Between you of the matters wherein ye dispute."

Obviously you get my gist , there are many more!!

WHERE IS IMAM MAHDI AS GAHYBA IN.........QURAN? WHERE IS IMAM MAHDI MENTIONED?CLEAR LIKE HOW EESA ALAIHE SALAM WAS RAISED UP?

GIVE US EVIDENCE FROM SAHIH BUKHARI TOO

SO NOW I TURN IT AROUND TO YOU MR IGNORANTKNOWLEDGE I HAVE ANSWERED YOUR TWO QUESTIONS AND WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO DO THE SAME FROM QURAN AND OUR HADITH

LETS SEE WHO'S LOGIC IS SOUND BY PROOFS AND EVIDENCES (mine by using Quran)

AND WHO'S IS .............,NOT(yours on hearsay)

I AM WAITING OTHERWISE ITS GONNA BE ANOTHER LOL FROM ME!!!!

MR IGNORANTLOGIC.......ANSWER

AND PLEEEEEESE DON'T GIVE ME TAFSEERS JUST CLEAR VERSES FROM QURAN

THANKS BROTHER I AM EAGERLY WAITING

Edited by Naz_

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AWWWWWW REACHED THE END OF YOUR TETHER????

L O L

OK here is son e proof from SAHIH BUKHARI on dajjal written 1400 years ago

Amir b. Sharahil Sha'bi Sha'b Hamdan reported that he asked Fatima, daughter of Qais and sister of ad-Dahhak b. Qais and she was the first amongst the emigrant women: Narrate to me a hadith which you had heard directly from Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) and there is no extra link in between them. She said: Very well, if you like, I am prepared to do that, and he said to her: Well, do It and narrate that to me. She said: I married the son of Mughira and he was a chosen young man of Quraish at that time, but he fell as a martyr in the first Jihad (fighting) on the side of Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam). When I became a widow, 'Abd al-Rahman b. Auf, one amongst the group of the Companions of Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam), sent me the proposal of marriage. Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) also sent me such a message for his freed slave Usama b. Zaid. And it had been conveyed to me that Allaah's Messenger (way sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) had said (about Usama): He who loves me should also love Usima. When Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) talked to me (about this matter), I said: My affairs are in your hand. You may marry me to anyone whom you like. He said: You better shift now to the house of Umm Sharik, and Umm Sharik was a rich lady from amongst the Anqir. She spent generously for the cause of Allaah and entertained guests very hospitably. I said: Well, I will do as you like. He said: Do not do that for Umm Sharik is a woman who is very frequently vizited by guests and I do not like that your head may be uncovered or the cloth may be removed from your shank and the strangers may catch sight of them which you abhor. You better shift to the house of your cousin 'Abdullah b. 'Amr b. Umm Maktum and he is a person of the Bani Fihr branch of the Quraish, and he belonged to that tribe (to which Fatima) belonged. So I shifted to that house, and when my period of waiting was over, I heard the voice of an announcer making an announcement that the prayer would be observed in the mosque (where) congregational prayer (is observed).

So I set out towards that mosque and observed prayer along with Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) and I was in the row of the women which was near the row of men. When Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) had finished his prayer, he sat on the pulpit smiling and said: Every worshipper should keep sitting at his place. He then said: Do you know why I had asked you to assemble? They said: Allaah and His Messenger know best. He said: By Allaah. I have not made you assemble for exhortation or for a warning, but I have detained you here, for Tamim Dari, a Christian, who came and accepted Islam, told me something, which agrees with what I was-telling, yuu about the Dajjal. He narrated to me that he had sailed in a ship along with thirty men of Bani Lakhm and Bani Judham and had been tossed by waves in the ocean for a month. Then these (waves) took them (near) the land within the ocean (island) at the time of sunset. They sat in a small side-boat and entered that Island. There was a beast with long thick hair (and because of these) they could not distinguish his face from his back. They said: Woe to you, who can you be? Thereupon it said: I am al-Jassasa. They said: What is al-Jassasa? And it said: O people, go to this person in the monastery as he is very much eager to know about you. He (the narrator) said: When it named a person for us we were afraid of it lest it should be a Devil. Then we hurriedly went on till we came to that monastery and found a well-built person there with his hands tied to his neck and having iron shackles between his two legs up to the ankles. We said: Woe be upon thee, who are you? And he said: You would soon come to know about me. but tell me who are you. We said: We are people from Arabia and we embarked upon a boat but the sea-waves had been driving us for one month and they brought as near this island. We got Into the side-boats and entered this island and here a beast met us with profusely thick hair and because of the thickness of his hair his face could not be distinguished from his back. We said: Woe be to thee, who are you? It said: I am al- Jassasa. We said: What is al-Jassasa? And it said: You go to this very person in the monastery for he is eagerly waiting for you to know about you. So we came to you in hot haste fearing that that might be the Devil. He (that chained person) said: Tell me about the date-palm trees of Baisan. We &aid: About what aspect of theirs do you seek information? He said: I ask you whether these trees bear fruit or not.

We said: Yes Thereupon he said: I think these would not bear fruits. He said: Inform me about the lake of Tabariyya? We said: Which aspect of it do you want to know? He said: Is there water in it? They said: There is abundance of water in it. Thereupon he said: I think it would soon become dry. He again said: Inform me about the spring of Zughar. They said: Which aspect of it you want to know? He (the chained person) said: Is there water in it and does it irrigate (the land)? We said to him: Yes, there is abundance of water in it and the inhabitants (of Medina) irrigate (land) with the help of it, He said: Inform me about the unlettered Prophet; what has he done? We said: He has come out from Mecca and has settled In Yathrib (Medina). He said: Do the Arabs fight against him? We said: Yes. He said: How did he deal with him? We informed him that he had overcome those in his neighbourhood and they had submitted themselves before him. Thereupon he said to us: Had it actually happened? We said: Yes. Thereupon he said: If it is so that is better for them that they should show obedience to him. I am going to tell you about. myself and I am Dajjal and would be soon permitted to get out and so I shall get out and travel in the land, and will not spare any town where I would not stay for forty nights except Mecca and Medina as these two (places) are prohibited (areas) for me and I would not make an attempt to enter any one of these two. An angel with a sword in his hand would confront me and would bar my way and there would be angels to guard every passage leading to it; then Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) striking the pulpit with the help of the end of his staff said: This implies Taiba meaning Medina. Have I not, told you an account (of the Dajjal) like this? 'The people said: Yes, and this account narrated by Tamim Dari was liked by me for it corroborates the account which I gave to you in regard to him (Dajjal) at Medina and Mecca. Behold he (Dajjal) is in the Syrian sea (Mediterranian) or the Yemen sea (Arabian sea). Nay, on the contrary, he As In the east, he is in the east, he is in the east, and he pointed with his hand towards the east. I (Fatima bint Qais) said: I preserved It In my mind (this narration from Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam).

No. 7029

Al-Sha'bi reported: We visited Fatima b. Qais and she served us fresh dates which are called rutab and she also served us barley. I asked her about that woman in whose case three divorces had been pronounced as to how much time she should count as the waiting period. She said: My husband pronounced three divorces in my case and Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) permitted me to spend any waiting period in my family. (It was during this period) that announcement was made for the people to observe prayer in the bigger Mosque. I went there along with people and I was in the front row meant for women and it was adjacent to the last row of men and I heard Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) deliver sermon sitting on the pulpit. He said: The cousin of Tamim (Dari) sailed in the ocean. The rest of the hadith is the same but with this addition:" (I see) as if I am looking to Allaah's Prophet (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) pointing his rod towards the land (and saying): It is Taiba, i. e. Medina."

No. 7030

Tamim Dari came to Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) and informed Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) that he sailed in an ocean and his ship lost direction and thus landed at an island. They moved about in that land in search of water. There they saw a person who had been pulling his hair. The rest of the hadith is the same. And he (Dajjal) said: If I were to be permitted to set out I would have covered all the lands except Taiba. Then Allaah's Messerger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) brought (Tamim Dari) before the public and he narrated to them and said: That is Taiba and that is the Dajjal.

No. 7031

Fatima b. Qais reported that Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) sat on the pulpit and said: O people, Tamim Dari has reported to me that some persons of his tribe sailed in the ocean in a boat and it capsised and then some of them travelled on one of the planks of the boat and they went to an island in the ocean. The rest of the hadith is the same.

No. 7032

Anas b. Malik reported that Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) said: There will be no land which would not be covered by the Dajjal but Mecca and Medina, and there would no passage out of the passages leading to them which would not be guarded by angels arranged in rows. Then he (the Dajjal) would appear in a barren place adjacent to Medina and it would rock three times that every unbeliever and hypocrite would get out of it towards him.

No. 7033

This hadith has been transmitted on the authority of Anas that Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) said this but with this addition that (the Dajjal would come) and pitch his tent in the waste-land of Juruf and thus there would come out of (the city) every hypocrite, man and woman.

Now on to Eesa alaihe salaam FROM QURANIC EVIDENCE BECAUSE HE IS THE PROPHET OF Allah SUBHANAWATALLAH

Let's look at verse 4:156-159 "That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge; That they said (in boast): 'We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.' But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjunction to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise. And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness Against them

Let us look at verse 3:55 "Behold! Allah said: O Jesus! I will take thee And raise thee to Myself And clear thee (of the falsehoods) Of those who blaspheme; I will make those Who follow thee superior To those who reject faith, To the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, And I will judge Between you of the matters wherein ye dispute."

Obviously you get my gist , there are many more!!

NOW MR IGNORANT4FLAWEDKNOWLEDGE.

WHERE OH WHERE IS IMAM MAHDI AS GAHYBA IN.........QURAN? WHERE IS IMAM MAHDI MENTIONED?CLEAR LIKE HOW EESA ALAIHE SALAM WAS RAISED UP?

GIVE US EVIDENCE FROM SAHIH BUKHARI TOO

SO NOW I TURN IT AROUND TO YOU MR IGNORANTKNOWLEDGE I HAVE ANSWERED YOUR TWO QUESTIONS AND WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO DO THE SAME FROM QURAN AND OUR HADITH

LETS SEE WHO'S LOGIC IS SOUND BY PROOFS AND EVIDENCES (mine by using Quran)

AND WHO'S IS .............,NOT(yours on hearsay)

I AM WAITING OTHERWISE ITS GONNA BE ANOTHER LOL FROM ME!!!!

MR IGNORANTLOGIC IF YOU ARE YOUR MOTHERS SON THEN.......ANSWER

AND PLEEEEEESE DON'T GIVE ME TAFSEERS JUST CLEAR VERSES FROM QURAN

THANKS BROTHER I AM EAGERLY WAITING

can you give me clearly verse about Dajjal from The Holy Quran? you only shared Hadiths about Dajjal.

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I believe imam Mahdi as will be born in end times

WHERE OH WHERE IS IMAM MAHDI AS GAHYBA IN.........QURAN? WHERE IS IMAM MAHDI MENTIONED?CLEAR LIKE HOW EESA ALAIHE SALAM WAS RAISED UP?

Brother you said you believe in Imam Mahdi, can you prove him from Quran....if not, how do you believe in him??

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Brother you said you believe in Imam Mahdi, can you prove him from Quran....if not, how do you believe in him??

no brother he is not mentioned in quran either, i believe in him through sayings of nabi sallahualaihewasalam

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no brother he is not mentioned in quran either, i believe in him through sayings of nabi sallahualaihewasalam

So brother what is the problem brother, if we believe in Ghaybat and Imamate from Tradition of Prophet and Aimmah.. regardless of the concept is in Quran or not!!

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So brother what is the problem brother, if we believe in Ghaybat and Imamate from Tradition of Prophet and Aimmah.. regardless of the concept is in Quran or not!!

gayba and immamate is tradtion of nabi sallalahualaihewasalam? i never knew, and as for REGARDLESS if its in quran or not? then where do you take your religion from? hadiths?

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you know and i know there is none just like NO VERSES for imam mahdi as , either !!!

that's not perfect answer. anyways, if you believe Imam Mehdi will be born or whatever you believe then show us Proof (in Quran, because it is a belief) or just say you don't believe, Imam Mehdi will come. When we provide proves using Hadiths about Imamate, then you simple deny. So now you also should deny Imam Mehdi will come.

Ok suppose a non-muslim comes to you and asks for Imam Mehdi proof and he accepts only Quranic proof. so how will you prove? obviously you will shut your mouth. I think you must debate about Imam Mehdi with 'saima-bukhari' as she claims be a Quranist and believes Imam Mehdi is just a myth. So how will you give her proves?

I am asking this because you always ask questions regarding about Imamat in the Holy Quran. one thing I would like to say The Holy Quran is a guidance book, but we need to look at Hadiths etc because we've to follow The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) .

(wasalam)

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I am not sure about one thing, last time i was taught the sunni religion i was told that Khidr was a bad person.... but my question is, do you believe that he is still alive?

we do have our own traditions that you do not accept, and you do have your own traditions that we do not accept. The ghaybah dose not exist in your tradition. It is ours and its evidence is in our books. there is no point in discussing ghaybah with you.

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Musnad of Ahmad ibn Hanbal 3/361

Note* According to Ahmad ibn Hanbal all hadith that he included in his ''Musnad'' are Sahih.

After Prophet (pbuh) there will be only 12 Caliphs (Succesors)

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that's not perfect answer. anyways, if you believe Imam Mehdi will be born or whatever you believe then show us Proof (in Quran, because it is a belief) or just say you don't believe, Imam Mehdi will come. When we provide proves using Hadiths about Imamate, then you simple deny. So now you also should deny Imam Mehdi will come.

Ok suppose a non-muslim comes to you and asks for Imam Mehdi proof and he accepts only Quranic proof. so how will you prove? obviously you will shut your mouth. I think you must debate about Imam Mehdi with 'saima-bukhari' as she claims be a Quranist and believes Imam Mehdi is just a myth. So how will you give her proves?

I am asking this because you always ask questions regarding about Imamat in the Holy Quran. one thing I would like to say The Holy Quran is a guidance book, but we need to look at Hadiths etc because we've to follow The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) .

(wasalam)

oops sorry brother i cannot give perfect answers and believe you me no one can give you perfect answer either not even YOU YOURSELF

as for our proofs from hadiths , is a dif mahdi compared to shia !

brother like saima and me know THAT BELIEF IN IMAM MAHDI AS ISNT USOOL E DEEN so if she doesnt believ and i do it doesnt matter Allah subhanawatallah will not judge us for that ,

for one we have NEVER seen him and billions who have passed away have niether i may not see him you may not see him before we die, and as for A NEW MUSLIM lol

brother i repeat again its not usool e deen

unlike yourself brother explaining invisible concept of imamate through quran now that is difficult as can be seen with your previous conversations,if you cannot explain it to another muslim well........the new muslim is just gonna be confused

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oops sorry brother i cannot give perfect answers and believe you me no one can give you perfect answer either not even YOU YOURSELF

as for our proofs from hadiths , is a dif mahdi compared to shia !

brother like saima and me know THAT BELIEF IN IMAM MAHDI AS ISNT USOOL E DEEN so if she doesnt believ and i do it doesnt matter Allah subhanawatallah will not judge us for that ,

for one we have NEVER seen him and billions who have passed away have niether i may not see him you may not see him before we die, and as for A NEW MUSLIM lol

brother i repeat again its not usool e deen

unlike yourself brother explaining invisible concept of imamate through quran now that is difficult as can be seen with your previous conversations,if you cannot explain it to another muslim well........the new muslim is just gonna be confused

(salam)

I don't consider myself knowledgeable. so don't explain good explanations from me.

I know it is different Mehdi. if I were saying about Shia belief Mehdi. I would have written Imam Mehdi (as). I know it is not Usool-e-Deen according to Sunni, but you yet believe in such content which is not found in the Holy Quran. You're also waiting for the person who will fight with wrong people and will spread peace. Aren't you waiting? You don't want your Caliph very soon? :P a ruler... etc etc If you're going to say "No, I am not waiting for any Mehdi" something like that. Then it means you don't want Peace in this world. So please answer well.

If you know very well Allah will judge us, then why you guys always look into Shia beliefs. You must not look at their concepts etc. It's not your belief. And Allah will definitely judge us by our actions.

I again repeat, so what if it is not usool-e-deen according to Sunnism. You're still waiting for the person who will spread peace in this world or otherwise you like hatred in this world.

I again repeat, I am not Scholar or any knowledgeable person like Nader Zaveri (hopefully you know him in ShiaChat). So don't expect this quality from me. I am very new in this forum. And honestly I've never talked about Sunni and Shia beliefs in my life. But after joining ShiaChat and reading Nader Zaveri blog, I increased my belief in Shia.

(wasalam)

Musnad of Ahmad ibn Hanbal 3/361

Note* According to Ahmad ibn Hanbal all hadith that he included in his ''Musnad'' are Sahih.

After Prophet (pbuh) there will be only 12 Caliphs (Succesors)

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Liked it. But I know people going to refute it by saying weak etc. :P It is clearly 12 Caliphs. If it is Sunni Caliphs, then I would like to ask them who are those 12 Caliphs? Please don't include Yazid (la) like few people used to add. :D But fact is that He was a Caliph, yes I agree a ruler.. but a killer, a murderer...

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One example: Saheeh Hadith:

Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri reported that the Messenger of Allaah (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) said: "At the end of the time of my ummah, the Mahdi will appear. Allaah will grant him rain, the earth will bring forth its fruits, he will give a lot of money, cattle will increase and the ummah will become great. He will rule for seven or eight years. (Mustadrak al-Haakim, 4/557-558; he said: this is a hadeeth whose isnaad is saheeh, Al-Dhahabi agreed with him, and al-Albaani said: this is a saheeh sanad, and its men are thiqaat (trustworthy), Silsilat al-ahaadeeth al-saheehah, vol. 2, p. 336, hadeeth 771)

The most hilarious line to read is when i see this " Al Dhahabi or Albaani said its saheeh n men are trustworthy".

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