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Debate on Islam : Imam Tawhidi versus Mufassil Islam (THE SAAD TRUTH_667)

https://youtu.be/43_5oVENJAI

 

he Supports MBS called reforms & also fails in defending the Islamic doctrine (Tawhid)

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@Ashvazdanghe 

I just watched that interview (not all of it), and there are a couple of points I need to make. I seriously warn everyone, that Tawhidi and his movement are doing everything to get rid of Islam. The interview in itself was very fishy and conducted to cast doubts in the minds of people. Tawhidi has no idea when he tries to explain verses, he seems very apologetic and ignorant. I could even sense how "unsure" he was throughout the interview. 

(1) The Ex-Muslim constantly questioned Tawhidi that "If you reject all hadith, then how do you know how to pray etc.?" Honestly, Tawhidi made a statement which contradicted what he said before. Tawhidi basically said that the hadith is transmitted to him through all the Imams(as) (something along those lines), and just before that he said that he only follows the Quran, and rejects all hadith. There were numerous times Tawhidi tried to avoid this simple question. Anyway, Tawhidi mentioned about the battle of Karbala, how it is the reason why he is still clinging on to Islam, but how does he get this story if he rejects all hadith? Are the viewers blind?

(2) Tawhidi tried to dodge a simple question posed by the ex-Muslim- "Should verses such as wife beating be scrapped out?". Tawhidi seemed to agree but be defensive at the same time, as he feels it is unrealistic.

Honestly I just wanna puke after knowing that a lot of Australians support this personality. Our Marja and Alim need to be more direct in condemning Imam Tawhidi, It annoys me how silent a lot of our leaders are.

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Another attack by Tawhidi to Islam  :dwarf:by supporting Austria in Australia :hahaha:

Muslim Imam backs Austria attacks Radical Islam : Imams to  be deported & Turk Funded mosques closed!  (Warning the watermark in video is inappropriate)

https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235057792-austria-expels-imams/?tab=comments#comment-3146710

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It's good there is a thread on here exposing this fitnah.

Here's my 2 cents on Mr Tawhidi (Imam is much too high of a rank, forget about Shaikh!)

Tawhidi appears to be a weird mix of fanatical Shi'ism, Islamic reformism and right wing politics, he strikes me as a very confused individual but malicious individual who has found a niche, conning the West into believing:-

ALL Sunni Islam is the problem further flaming Sunni/Shia relations potentially undoing the work of Muslim leaders globally, last thing we want is a Shi'i ISIS....!!
Preaching a brand of Shi'ism that involves meeting Tommy Robinson to discuss Aisha's sex life (I don't think Mr Tawhidi has read Surah Noor, he has incurred Allah's wrath big time for this one trust me).

Touring around the globe pandering to right wingers who's experience with Islam, is probably having a kebab 2 or 3 times a year, so they instantly lap up his confused brand of Islam, which to the majority of sane minded Muslims on this forum, is clearly a confused mess of a beliefs and etiquette. Of course just a mention of the phrase Islamic reformism is enough to wet the appetite and induce the saliva glands...

Tawhidi will eventually be seen for what/who he is, at the moment he's riding the wave of Islamic reformism so he can fool a few non-Muslims for now, but he lacks the practical experience to deal with real life world issues that Muslims leaders like Khamenei are dealing with across the globe.

Tawhidi if you're reading, coming out reeling off hadiths from Al Bukhari, talking about Salafi's and being mates with Tommy Robinson will only get you so far. If you're serious, get back and finish that hawza course ;)

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6 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Mr Tawhidi non stop destorys  Islam:angry:

See the caption on his own video: "Reformist Imam"Reformist.jpg

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10 hours ago, Hameedeh said:

See the caption on his own video: "Reformist Imam"

Salam currently everybody that destroys Islam same as him is called Reformist

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On 3/25/2013 at 12:43 PM, Khadim uz Zahra said:

The last post on Tawhidi's page:

"Every pornstar is more honorable than Aisha, because pornstars did not kill our Prophet, but Aisha did."

Now, I am all for tabarra but isn't that taking it too extreme? With such statements, it's clear what kind of a 'scholar' Tawhidi really is: one who is either far too stupid to know the meaning of his words or is deliberately trying to sow discord and hatred among Muslims.

Haha guy has guts 

He says aisha was married and had a kid before she married prophet ?

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But he speaks agaimst that witch linda sarsor so let him spew hatred against sunni radicals who cares 

 

Hes a useful idiot prop him up against sunni radicals in the west and watch the western liberals get even more confused lol 

Why are there 35 pages on his thread ?

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15 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Why are there 35 pages on his thread ?

We can't stop them because they backed by liberals in west &east at least we condemn them here.

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15 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Haha guy has guts 

He says aisha was married and had a kid before she married prophet ?

Or...he has no brains and integrity.

15 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

But he speaks agaimst that witch linda sarsor so let him spew hatred against sunni radicals who cares 

 

Hes a useful idiot prop him up against sunni radicals in the west and watch the western liberals get even more confused lol 

Why are there 35 pages on his thread ?

Because his attacks affect all Muslims, and not just Sunnis. Even if that is his real goal, he's not doing a good job at it, then.

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3 hours ago, Khadim uz Zahra said:

Or...he has no brains and integrity.

Because his attacks affect all Muslims, and not just Sunnis. Even if that is his real goal, he's not doing a good job at it, then.

I think as a nonsectarian muslim shias esp in the west need to give up this dream of unity with sunnis 

Peaceful coexistance in muslim world and ruthlessly ideological attavks on wahabis in the west, im appalled that we do such a poor job of getting converts in the west while people fall prey to wahabi ideology quite easily 

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^ I agree no need to provoke people but sunnis need to be stop so sensitive over aisha too

disbelief in aisha or abusing her does not make one a kafir , she also destroyed the holy rashidun caliphate of sunnis so its kinda of hypocritical they revere her so much.

 

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5 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

^ I agree no need to provoke people but sunnis need to be stop so sensitive over aisha too

disbelief in aisha or abusing her does not make one a kafir , she also destroyed the holy rashidun caliphate of sunnis so its kinda of hypocritical they revere her so much.

Salam for Sunnis Aisha true or not is red line as Lady Fatima (sa) for us but unfortunately ignorant Shias specially between Arabic & a less between Farsi speakers speakers that influenced  by Shirazis are insulting her that causes their anger & disunity.

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20 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

^ I agree no need to provoke people but sunnis need to be stop so sensitive over aisha too

disbelief in aisha or abusing her does not make one a kafir , she also destroyed the holy rashidun caliphate of sunnis so its kinda of hypocritical they revere her so much.

I don't know why that concerns Imam Tawhidi, since he is a Quranist to start with. I would challange Tawhidi, as to why he believes in some hadiths such as those related to battle of Jamal, and then he openly says in an interview that he 'rejects all hadith'. How has Imam Tawhidi formed a belief about Aisha, once he rejects most hadiths?

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56 minutes ago, ali_fatheroforphans said:

How has Imam Tawhidi formed a belief about Aisha, once he rejects most hadiths

He doesn’t care about Hadith ,he just want to makes Sunnis angry to make a war between Sunnis &Shias , when they react to his hate speech’s then he wants to use his supporters to attack Sunnis in favor of him but he doesn’t realize that he just cause fitna & nobody will support him.

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Brother @Panzerwaffe, I don't think tolerating this man is a wise thing to do. Ignoring him just because he baits Sunni takfiris regularly is like creating a Frankenstein monster. He has badmouthed the Shia he disagrees with in as foul a manner as he has abused Sunni personalities.

We must be mindful of the fact that his sympathies lie not with the Shia, but the liberal vanguard and anti-Islam neocon-evangelical  mobster-chanter politico-ideological complex. Beneath this veneer of his ardent fervor for Tashayyu, his real target is Islam and Islamic values as a whole.

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16 minutes ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

Brother @Panzerwaffe, I don't think tolerating this man is a wise thing to do. Ignoring him just because he baits Sunni takfiris regularly is like creating a Frankenstein monster. He has badmouthed the Shia he disagrees with in as foul a manner as he has abused Sunni personalities.

We must be mindful of the fact that his sympathies lie not with the Shia, but the liberal vanguard and anti-Islam neocon-evangelical  mobster-chanter politico-ideological complex. Beneath this veneer of his ardent fervor for Tashayyu, his real target is Islam and Islamic values as a whole.

WE SHOULD disown him i agree and even condemn him outwardly , even better he badmouths shia personalities use it to prove he is not one of us 

but we need such distracters to chip away this facade of "islamophobia" that conservative sunni muslims in the west their MSA foot soldiers have built 

guys remmeber when west is 80% sunni muslim and shias will have hell to pay and will be the first against the wall, we should stem the tide of sunni islam growth in the west at all cost and encourage ALL their opponents ahmadis , sufis , ismailis etc 

god save christian multicultural pluralistic USA and the western countries the last refugee for shias against wahabi extremisim 

the infidels as you call it maybe awful godless hedonistic and morally corrupt BUT they let me practice my faith in peace 

the wahabi animals even though they are our muslim "brothers" will be the first to slit your throat or atleast discriminate against you because u are a shia due to their INTOLERANCE , we really want these people as our allies ? thats the most myopic policy ever .Yes maybe beneficial for iranian shias as they are a majority in their country they do not have to deal with growing wahabi influence in muslim world or in the west, for them its a convenient way to say oh look at us we are so pro-unity with sunnis and true muslims

I'm not anti-sunni by any means most of my muslim friends are sunni gowing up in pakistan in the 80s 95% sunnis were peaceful very tolerant and friendly and thats the kind of sunnis we can really have true  unity with but wahabi ideology is to a sunni muslim what rabies virus is to a dog, it totally changes their nature and make them eternally hostile to shia and gulf petro dollars are doing that in most of sunni world 

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8 minutes ago, Panzerwaffe said:

but we need such distracters to chip away this facade of "islamophobia" that conservative sunni muslims in the west their MSA foot soldiers have built 

guys remmeber when west is 80% sunni muslim and shias will have hell to pay and will be the first against the wall, we should stem the tide of sunni islam growth in the west at all cost and encourage ALL their opponents ahmadis , sufis , ismailis etc 

But brother, will such methods as his really help us in the long run? The guy is a joke. Who ever takes him seriously in the Muslim world?

Very bad for our credibility if we use him.

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2 minutes ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

But brother, will such methods as his really help us in the long run? The guy is a joke. Who ever takes him seriously in the Muslim world?

Very bad for our credibility if we use him.

covertly dear brother 

he knows he will not be taken seriously in the muslim world , his use is in the hands of western right wing who can use him to attack wahabi islam 

we have no skin in the game 

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2 minutes ago, Panzerwaffe said:

his use is in the hands of western right wing who can use him to attack wahabi islam 

we have no skin in the game 

But he does a lot of collateral damage.....that's where we have to save our skins, ha ha ha :grin: !!!

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i suggest we fly under the radar in the west proselytize and avoid getting involved in politics 

respect local laws be grateful for hsopitality in the west and dont dabble in controvesial issues like support for irans regime 

i wish iranians well but if they chose to pursue their nationalistic agenda then its not my religious obligation to follow them

and watch our populations grow ,

form alliances with nonwahabi sunnis sufis ahmadis ismailis any all antiwahabi elements and pursue an ideological war against them on all fronts 

 

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12 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

how about we apply the same principle to umar and abubakr ? personalities who were far more beneficial to islam than that shrew aisha 

but we attack far more viciously , but oh no dont even hint that aisha was immoral that aspect is beyond discussion but we fault umar for crimes he did before accepting islam and even the way he was concieved by his parents 

When did I say don't criticise Aisha? Call her out for her participation in the Battle of Jamal all you want. Post the Hadith from Sunni books that show her jealousy toward other wives and the Prophet's anger at her. All of these are academic discussions, and easily provable from their books. What exactly does comparing her to a pornstar do, beyond riling up Sunnis for no reason? Is there anything academic about it? Can you prove such a comparison? It's name-calling for the sake of it. Calling out someone for being immoral or for sinning is one thing but the way in which you do it also matters. Tawhidi has no such understanding of etiquette and logic. Akhlaq is the first thing Islam and Ahlulbayt teach us. The Prophet didn't just start bashing the idols of Mecca when he came, he wasn't comparing them to pornstars, was he?

Ultimately, you have to decide why you're recounting the many errors she made in her life. Are you doing it just for the sake of it or are you doing it to enlighten your fellow Muslims about the path of Ahlulbayt. If your intention is the former only, and you have a stupendous lack of aql, then you get a Tawhidi. If your intention is the latter, then you would never use the language Tawhidi does.

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What I strongly feel is true, is this piece of conventional wisdom- you cannot dine with the devil without becoming the dinner yourself.

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If you look at the comments on any of Tawhidi's Facebook posts, you will see that a large majority of the supporters are white people with non-Muslim sounding names, because that is exactly what his target audience is.

Tawhidi has support from the far right in the US because of his racist views

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