fake imam Exposing Imam Shaikh Brother Mohammad Tawhidi

[baqar]

30 minutes ago, QuranandAhlulbayt said:

I think brother Tawhidi might have a mental health condition, and not in a sarcastic way. I don't know which one, but he needs to see a psychiatrist. 

No, brother, he has no mental condition and he doesn't need to see a psychiatrist. His problem is the same as that of many others like him.

People like him just want attention. And if the faith is weak, they are ready to compromise their faith in order to get that attention.

1 hour ago, DigitalUmmah said:

He is dead to me.

Well, this thread will not dent much of his reputation.

We need to strike a telling blow at him.

But how? 

Any ideas? 

[Don'tMakeAس]

3 hours ago, QuranandAhlulbayt said:

The sad thing is, ghali's like tawhidi existed at the time of the Imams asws, clearly deranged, lying about them, an dmixing truth and falsehood.

I don't really care about his appeal to secularism. It's his ghuluw and how he has managed to present himself as a shaykh and give talks left, right and centre across the world that worries me.

I may not like the salafi aqeedah, but i must say, they would have taken this individual and exposed him years ago. The moment he sent his first backward tweet, they would have all descended on him [intellectually].

But for us, it had to be people online to take up that task.

We need a united shia network where we vett our speakers and give warnings.

Salafis could have done no more than what the Shias on this thread have been doing online and elsewhere for the past half decade. I have heard of literally no Shias who ever supported his ghuluw-filled beliefs, and the only support he now enjoys from the Shia community comes from the ultra-secular modernist camp.

If you need proof, look through the past 23 pages of condemnation this thread. What more do you want?

[Hameedeh]

Allah bless Al-Mufeed for starting this topic. Wish he were here. 

[Haydar Husayn]

12 hours ago, Shaykh Patience101 said:

Salafis could have done no more than what the Shias on this thread have been doing online and elsewhere for the past half decade. I have heard of literally no Shias who ever supported his ghuluw-filled beliefs, and the only support he now enjoys from the Shia community comes from the ultra-secular modernist camp.

If you need proof, look through the past 23 pages of condemnation this thread. What more do you want?

He had plenty of supporters on social media. And to be honest, even much of the criticism on this thread was pretty muted until he started attacking scholars and now went completely off the deep end with his infantile attempts at been a 'reformer'.

Out of interest, can anyone point to any Shia scholars in Australia (or elsewhere) openly condemning him?

[Haydar Husayn]

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A Muslim leader has slammed extremists who claim he is a fraud for following Australian law over Sharia and not wanting to form an independent Muslim state.
Imam Shaikh Mohammad Tawhidi, who has openly spoken out against ISIS and extremists, confronted members of the Islamic community in a video shared online on Friday.
Imam Tawhidi said he was labelled a 'fake' Shaikh because he prioritised Australian law over Sharia law.  
'I am considered a fake because I would die for Australia. I am considered a fake because I live by the Australian constitution,' he said.  

In the four minute-long video, Imam Tawhidi listed various reasons for why he had been called 'a fake' by members of the Muslim community in Australia. 
'They have called me a fake Muslim Imam or a Shaikh only because I expose their intentions to create a caliphate within Australia,' he said.
'I am considered a fake because I condemn terrorism. I am considered a fake because I oppose and expose extremism.'

He defended himself claiming he was legitimate and only accused of being a fraud because he did not serve a radical Islamic agenda.
'For them, I am too Australian,' he said.  
The Muslim leader said he rejected controversial Sharia law to live by the Australian law 'because I am an Australian Muslim and not a Muslim Australian'.
'I want an Islam that is compatible with the west,' he said. 
'The bottom line is, I want Australia to stay Australian.'

The video was shared online by prominent Jewish Muslim personality Avi Yemini on Saturday.
Mr Yemini shared the video with his 38,000 followers on Facebook, declaring he was in full support of Imam Tawhidi.
'I stand with Imam Shaikh Tawhidi who is being attacked by the broader Islamic community for being a proud Australian,' he said.

Imam Tawhidi came under fire in February when he claimed on-air that radical Muslims planned to create an independent Sharia law state within Australia's borders.
In an interview with Today Tonight, the Muslim leader said 'the agenda is to create a country within your country'.
Following the interview he was accused of not being a real Shaikh by Muslim television channel One Path Network.

One Path Network said his claims about radical Islam were 'baseless and outrageous'.
In an effort to defend himself, Imam Tawhidi told Daily Mail Australia last month he was concerned to find himself 'being attacked for attacking the terrorists'.
'I'm being attacked because people didn't want me to warn the people,' he said in March.
'They should have said 'thank you' for exposing an extremist cell within Sydney. Instead they are discrediting me for criticising terrorism.
'If you love this country and you are loyal to this country, you should be supporting me.' 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4371064/Muslim-leader-Imam-Shaikh-Mohammad-Tawhidi-called-fake.html

It's interesting how the only ones who seem to be calling him a fake are Sunnis. Where are the Shias?

[Haydar Husayn]

https://www.facebook.com/pg/Exposing-Muhammad-Tawhidi-685903274877305/posts/

Edited April 3, 2017 by Haydar Husayn

[ZhugeLiang]

@DigitalUmmah

He reminds me of Hillary Clinton.

I didn't highlight in red.

Edited April 3, 2017 by ZhugeLiang

[DigitalUmmah]

1 hour ago, Haydar Husayn said:

https://www.facebook.com/pg/Exposing-Muhammad-Tawhidi-685903274877305/posts/

Sooooooo there was never a forced resettlement of jews in palestine after WWII, followed by decades of gradual removal of palestine piece by piece?

huh. Every day is a school day.

This guy is the real abu musa al ashari.

[Gaius I. Caesar]

1 hour ago, DigitalUmmah said:

This guy is the real abu musa al ashari.

Care to remind me who Abu Musa al Ashari is?

Edited April 3, 2017 by Gaius I. Caesar

[Guest silasun]

5 hours ago, Haydar Husayn said:

He had plenty of supporters on social media. And to be honest, even much of the criticism on this thread was pretty muted until he started attacking scholars and now went completely off the deep end with his infantile attempts at been a 'reformer'.

Out of interest, can anyone point to any Shia scholars in Australia (or elsewhere) openly condemning him?

Salam bro.

You can see Sheikh Zaid al-Salami's latest post. Also check out the comments and who's liked it too.

Scholars in Australia seem to be taking a stand.

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1676578545691665&id=100000186070548&set=a.116154988400703.19081.100000186070548&source=48

I liked his comparison with Akram Majidi's cult

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On another note, I wonder when those popular Shia figures who consciously were photographed/filmed with him will start condemning him?

Edited April 3, 2017 by silasun

[Hassan-]

1 hour ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Care to remind me who Abu Musa al Ashari is?

Abu Musa al-Ashari was the Governor of Kufa during the time of Imam Ali (as). When imam Ali (as) learned that Abu Musa al-Ashari was dissuading the people of Kufah from joining in the battle of Jamal, imam Ali (as) wrote a letter saying this to him:

"Now, I have come to know of words uttered by you which go in your favour as well as against you. So, when my messenger reaches you prepare yourself and get ready, come out of your den and call those who are with you. Then, if you are convinced of the truth get up but if you feel cowardice go away. By Allah, you will be caught wherever you may be and you will not be spared till you are completely upset and everything about you is scattered and till you are shaken from your seat. Then, you will fear from your front as you do from the rear."

[Guest silasun]

Post by Sheikh Zaid al-Salami:

 

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

Assalam alaikum wa rahmatullah,

Rajab Mubarak to everyone.

We are in a volatile situation, but it's not the first, and it wont be the last.

It's been a while since I have written something here on my page, for numerous reasons, none of them I am happy with, but what can we do.

The reason why I have reappeared is I would just like to share some important points to those interested.

On many occasions when people approach me, or my fellow colleagues - the Mashayikh and Saadah, asking for clarification about a certain thing, our natural reaction is to explain the situation in the best way possible, but also to weigh everything out so that harmony in the community is always kept.

That is what a wise person does.

But from our long and extensive experience, in many cases the reaction is negative, and the advice misinterpreted.

Many examples can be given for this, but for one case, which most remember now in this FB era is the Majidi cult. All scholars tried as much as they could, in very subtle, civil, polite non-confrontational way to bring awareness about the dangers, and "nekk minnut" we see brothers walking around with hannaks and going on FB rampages against even the Marja'iyah.

There was no trust in the judgment of scholars, and it created a very tense atmosphere, but in the long run people came to know.

I can give many more examples that kind of gives us an understanding that at times burying yourself back in your burrow will keep you away from people who dont deserve you.

There is a very big difference between you asking a community leader or a scholar "What should we do in this fitnah"

And to say: "Why aren't you doing anything?" "Where are all the turbans" "As a Shia I feel ashamed that we have hopeless Sheikhs who do nothing other than argue over emulsifiers being halal or haram." "The first thing we need to do to progress is get rid of all the Sheikhs." "The source of all Fitnah are the Sheikhs who are disengaged and dont know whats going on."

And so many other naive comments we wake up to every morning, reading what our fellow Shia brethren say about us, whoever we may be, and at whatever level of qualification we might have.

Sadly, people want the Sheikhs to be followers, and not leaders. 
When someone shows leadership he's smashed down by those very keyboard warriors who have the syndrome of only criticising.

Why do some people see themselves has having superior intellectual abilities and the most acute foresight that supersedes all the scholars and everyone else?

Ok, you dont like how the Sheikhs are, and they are all corrupt and bad, or busy doing nothing, do your takleef.

We won't go anywhere if we continue to diss others who are also a part of the society.

You've found us to be the low fence, and the boxing bag, just hurling abuse and accusations at us, and then you want us to take leadership initiative.

It don't work that way.

Also, what makes you so sure and confident that your judgment is right. Just because the Sheikhs/Seyids are not making commotion, you think that? So is that what you want? A hoosah Sheikh?

If you are genuine, initiate contact, ask, speak.

If you dont trust any Sheikhs because they have all let you down, do your takleef, but without ruining it by attacking other members of the community who you really don't know what they are doing.

Sorry for the long essay. I have a lot more to say, but will go back into my cave and disappear for a few more months.

Anyway, the next time I see someone attacking Sheikhs , I'll say:" Cash me outside. !!!"

[DigitalUmmah]

4 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Care to remind me who Abu Musa al Ashari is?

a short summary is that he was a shia but was such a muppet that he caused utter disaster for the shia by being completely used and manipulated by muawiyyah (LA) and his followers (LA)

watch the old imam Ali (as) series, it reenacts the events reasonably faithfully

[Haydar Husayn]

2 hours ago, silasun said:

Salam bro.

You can see Sheikh Zaid al-Salami's latest post. Also check out the comments and who's liked it too.

Scholars in Australia seem to be taking a stand.

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1676578545691665&id=100000186070548&set=a.116154988400703.19081.100000186070548&source=48

I liked his comparison with Akram Majidi's cult

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On another note, I wonder when those popular Shia figures who consciously were photographed/filmed with him will start condemning him?

Ok, it's some kind of start, but it's hardly the strongest condemnation. He doesn't even seem to mention Tawhidi by name. Why the need for such caution if, as we keep been told, Tawhidi is just some nobody with no backing?

[repenter-gone4awhile]

On 3/31/2017 at 6:25 PM, Ali-F said:

Tawhidi says Palestina is a Jewish land, admits his claim will put him in trouble 

In that case.....Australia is aboriginal land...so Tawhidi should get the heck out too. 

[guest051217]

On 25/03/2013 at 8:58 PM, Abul Hussain Hassani said:

The Problem with Shia is that they overlook the service and sacrifices that Sahaba made for Islam, Allah and the Messenger (saw) and only see their mistakes that are nothing when compared with their good works.

I don't want argue about this issue anymore as it is off-topic.

We don't to be honest. We just have a realistic perception when it comes to any large group of people. We do not have a sort of idealism whereby we deem them all righteous and beyond criticism.

The 'Sahaba' are not one monolithic group, they consist of subgroups - varying wildly in piety, courage, and such traits.

The same for wives, one wife never disobeyed the prophet [saw], another tried to sow disunity between him and another wife to the extent Allah condemned her in the Quran. She called Khadija [sa] a toothless old woman for whom God has replaced her with better, did not mention Ali a.s was next to Ibn Abbas [ra] carrying the prophet [saw] and concluded this with raising an army to 'avenge' uthman against the explicit command and orders of Ali a.s, rather than trusting him.

We shia's are not chained down by idealism and hence have to find one way or another to justify the action of certain personalities.

As the poet says, don't look at the personalities and then the truth, but look at the truth, and then the personalities.

The same with Mr Tawhidi, even though he wears the clergy outfit, speaks in a certain way, delivers lectures and claims to be a follower of the Muhammed wa ale Muhammed asws means nothing when he preaches what is against them and falsehood. The fact he has sat with scholars [though they may not have really known his misdeeds] means nothing.

Thus, we place all people againt the truth and judge them accordingly.

Edited April 3, 2017 by QuranandAhlulbayt

[Guest silasun]

16 minutes ago, Haydar Husayn said:

Ok, it's some kind of start, but it's hardly the strongest condemnation. He doesn't even seem to mention Tawhidi by name. Why the need for such caution if, as we keep been told, Tawhidi is just some nobody with no backing?

I don't know the Sheikh personally and I do concede that a number of scholars, including many who seem to have the "correct political views", don't have a strong enough insight into what is and isn't acceptable/wise in their surroundings.

I have noticed, however, that sensible scholars avoid mentioning people by name. I actually think that it's a really good tactic (when it comes to very harsh criticism anyway) because it doesn't give the person the dignity associated with being mentioned by name - Tawhidi's mantra is that "all publicity is good publicity".

Another reason is that he would love to take a screenshot condemning him from a "pro-Mullah regime cleric" and shove it down the throats of the right-wing Australian masses... the man makes up stories about million dollar bribes so I don't think it's beyond him to start a significant media circus against the Shias in Australia (remember this is the community that Dr Sekaleshfar got hounded out of last year).

Also, everyone who read the post from Australia knew who he was talking about. The first comment underneath (by one of the Sheikh's friends) was criticising Nakhshawani (without mentioning his name) for his antics with Tawhidi and it received numerous likes, including from the Sheikh (who added a comment) and another well known Qom seminarian/author/translator.

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About your last comment about him having no backing... Tawhidi has a lot of financial backing and is dangerous - it's a dangerous disease (like the irfani/sufi cult of Akram Majidi) because although I doubt he has more than 80 or so followers, he has 2 hawzas (including in a Wahabi influenced nation, Indonesia) and has the tacit blessing of a commonly followed Shia scholar. 

If he managed to fool the SC owner (who has had almost 2 decades discussing these issues on this site) despite all the efforts of sincere mods and admins, he can fool an impressionable and highly emotional audience... so I think that caution is very important and Sh. Al-salami's response sounds quite appropriate. I could be wrong but I think he chose the correct tone.

 

[guest051217]

I think he might have some sort of a personality disorder.

When someone wants attention, they don't act so rapidly different.

Even what he said about the Imams [asws] was ghuluw on a scale that would have made the ghulat at the time of the aimmah asws smile in delight.

I really think this man isn't just an attention seeker, there is just something psychologically not right about him.

He isn't in his senses, i really don't think he is at all.

His move to secularism is recent, and speaking ghali words would earn no favours among shias.

My gut is telling me this, but i could be wrong, and it does not mean he has no control and not liable for blame.

[Don'tMakeAس]

Sunni scholars are much quicker to condemn Shia scholars than other Shia scholars are. Just as Shia scholars are much quicker to condemn Sunni scholars than other Sunni scholars are.

This is nothing new.

[Don'tMakeAس]

12 hours ago, Haydar Husayn said:

He had plenty of supporters on social media. And to be honest, even much of the criticism on this thread was pretty muted until he started attacking scholars and now went completely off the deep end with his infantile attempts at been a 'reformer'.

He garnered his support on social media by attacking Sunnis and Sunni holy figures, which is just about the textbook way of gaining influence in the online Shia community, unfortunately. I was referring specifically to his ghuluw- I don't know anyone who'd support the nusayri statements he made like "The only time you can't say Ya Allah is in front of Ali."

I actually think the behavior of the ShiaChat community and team in keeping this thread alive, open, and thriving is a great exemplar of how we can get together to dismiss figures who champion extreme beliefs in the name of Shi'ism. And I don't believe our collective reaction in this regard was in any way less than what Salafis would have done for a similar individual.

[DigitalUmmah]

14 hours ago, Haydar Husayn said:

Ok, it's some kind of start, but it's hardly the strongest condemnation. He doesn't even seem to mention Tawhidi by name. Why the need for such caution if, as we keep been told, Tawhidi is just some nobody with no backing?

There has to be a middle ground here. I think starving him of attention while public resources like this thread & social media are the best way.

We musnt do what shia did to salman rushdie and then yasser habib where totally disproportionate responses made them multimillionaires and worldwide celebrities.

Look, at the moment he is a barking dog. If as we suspect he is being used by the right wing, eventually they are going to expect him to gather a following. Thats the entire reason he is being propped up by them.

Instead of focusing on him and making him a martyr or a symbol or a lightening rod, we can very effectively make him a laughing stock that he is, so no one WANTS to follow him.

[Haydar Husayn]

11 hours ago, Shaykh Patience101 said:

He garnered his support on social media by attacking Sunnis and Sunni holy figures, which is just about the textbook way of gaining influence in the online Shia community, unfortunately. I was referring specifically to his ghuluw- I don't know anyone who'd support the nusayri statements he made like "The only time you can't say Ya Allah is in front of Ali."

I actually think the behavior of the ShiaChat community and team in keeping this thread alive, open, and thriving is a great exemplar of how we can get together to dismiss figures who champion extreme beliefs in the name of Shi'ism. And I don't believe our collective reaction in this regard was in any way less than what Salafis would have done for a similar individual.

On a Salafi forum this thread would never have been locked, and he would never have been invited to speak anywhere again after his views had become known. Yes, the reaction of ShiaChat as a whole has been good, but the fact that someone with such extreme views has any kind of platform to speak at al shows you that there is a deeper problem here. Had he been a bit more clever with his wording, most people would have been a lot more hesitant to call him out on his kufr.

[yashia]

On 26/03/2013 at 5:03 AM, Crescent said:

(salam)

I posted your thread on his Facebook page, and he has deleted it, and blocked me. How pathetic. Good job, brother, in exposing this fraudster.

(wasalam)

Salam brother, he did the same with me to though I even personally messaged him and said nothing but his quote, and the verse from the Quran. This man is an agent and so is the man he studied off:

 

[yashia]

It is the same people who television shows and universities overnight:

 

And they are all under Sadiq Shirazi! 

[yashia]

Sayed Hassan Nasrullah (Ha) also acknowledges that these people are known agents, that get their money overnight from west governments.

 

 

[yashia]

This is what he also came out and said:

These people talk badly about all our allies and are against who we are with, and are with who we are against and never speak bad about them.

[emceemo40]

12 minutes ago, yashia said:

Salam brother, he did the same with me to though I even personally messaged him and said nothing but his quote, and the verse from the Quran. This man is an agent and so is the man he studied off:

If you had read older posts in this thread, then you would know that people who knew Tawhidi said that he had mental health problems.

Also, if you are saying that Ayatollah Sadiq Shirazi (ha) is an agent of the west, then that is a horrendous accusation.

Where is your proof that he is an agent.

If he is an agent, surely the Iranian government would have exposed evidence against him, and would have arrested him by now.

[yashia]

2 minutes ago, emceemo40 said:

Tawhidi said that he had mental health problems.

They all have 'mental health problems', don't they.

[Ali-F]

Imam Tawhidi...

[yashia]

4 minutes ago, emceemo40 said:

 

Also, if you are saying that Ayatollah Sadiq Shirazi (ha) is an agent of the west, then that is a horrendous accusation.

Where is your proof that he is an agent.

 

You want proof? Here have it If it is not already clear cut to you: http://wilayah.info/en/ayatollah-araki-shirazi-circles-get-support-from-britain-and-saudi/

This is not only from me, and your Shia society who knows the cycle of a known agent - this is from Ayatullah Araki (may Allah Swt bless him). 

 

Sayed Ali Khamenei (Ha) also has said things indirectly under the title "British" or "English" (Fake) Shiism. I urge you to watch and educate yourself on what our leader says on these very important matters.

 

[yashia]

9 minutes ago, emceemo40 said:

If he is an agent, surely the Iranian government would have exposed evidence against him, and would have arrested him by now.

Oh I am sure they are keeping a very good eye on him in Iran. Don't worry about that.

[Ali-F]

Imam Tawhidi in South Korea, but he is now Superstar Tawhidi ! 

 

 

[yashia]

This is from al-monitor (our official and reliable/truthful Shia outlet for news): http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/04/iran-shia-shirazi-movement-secterian.html

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In September 2013, Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei inserted an unexpected warning in a speech about Iran's “enemies.” Along with the usual suspects, such as the United States and Israel, Khamenei also mentioned one that many had never heard of: Shiite satellite channels based in the West. Referring to them as a “bunch of mercenaries who add more fuel to the fire” of Sunni-Shiite conflicts, Khamenei said emphatically, “They are given a mass media reach. And where are they based? The United States. London.

Iran has recently intensified its media campaign against these “Shiite extremists.” There is now a regularly updated news website specifically aimed at exposing the “British Shiites” or “MI6 Shiites,” as they are also known

 

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The main group in Araki’s crosshairs was the Shirazis. These are the followers of Ayatollah Sadeq Shirazi, the Qom-based scion of a clerical family that oversees 19 satellite channels, broadcasting in Persian, Arabic, English and Turkish. Most of the outlets are based in Karbala, the Shirazis’ former power base, but some of them broadcast from the United Kingdom. For example, Khadija TV is based in Peterborough, and Al Zahrah in Harrow.

 

 

[emceemo40]

2 minutes ago, yashia said:

You want proof? Here have it If it is not already clear cut to you: http://wilayah.info/en/ayatollah-araki-shirazi-circles-get-support-from-britain-and-saudi/

This is not only from me, and your Shia society who knows the cycle of a known agent - this is from Ayatullah Araki (may Allah Swt bless him). 

 

Sayed Ali Khamenei (Ha) also has said things indirectly under the title "British" or "English" (Fake) Shiism. I urge you to watch and educate yourself on what our leader says on these very important matters.

Yeah, obviously a pro WF website is going to say that.

In that article, it says that they have clear evidence, but they dont actually show proper evidence of it.

If you can, then show me an unbiased source please. Ive also heard claims that Khomeini was an agent of the West, but these types claims usually come from pro-US articles.

10 minutes ago, yashia said:

Oh I am sure they are keeping a very good eye on him in Iran. Don't worry about that.

Yeah, but if Sayed Shirazi's objectives are to work with the Zionists and destroy the 'holy' revolution, then surely they would have persecuted him, or even exiled him from Iran.

[yashia]

Brother, by now if you can't see anything wrong with what we have posted I believe this is willful ignorance. I leave you with all the information, references and videos (and there's many more) as Imam Ali (As) tells us who silence is the best reply to.

Salam.

and may Allah Swt guide us all.

[Also, I told you the possibility (and there are probably many other possibilities) of why they would not release him (out of the country), or put him in prison -  they are probably finding more information about him, or want to keep unity amongst Shias and deal with people the way Imam Ali (As) did in order not to cause division.

Sayed Ali Khamenei (Ha) is a smart and aware man. But to assume there is nothing going on and that there is nothing wrong is just plain naive.]

Edited April 4, 2017 by yashia