Refuting Uthmaan Khamees On Hadeeth Kisa

[pyaro]

(salam)

Uthmaan Khamees like many other Sunni/Salafis talk about how we Shi'as do not have any Authentic chain for the Hadeeth of Kisa, and that it was revealed for the 5 under the cloak.

Well, Sayyed Kamal here shows an Authentic chain in the video below.

This is the chain of the narration itself and the grading by Allamah Majlisi and Bahbudi

عَلِيُّ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عِيسَى عَنْ يُونُسَ وَ عَلِيُّ بْنُ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنْ سَهْلِ بْنِ زِيَادٍ أَبِي سَعِيدٍ عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عِيسَى عَنْ يُونُسَ عَنِ ابْنِ مُسْكَانَ عَنْ أَبِي بَصِيرٍ قَالَ سَأَلْتُ أَبَا عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ( عليه السلام ) عَنْ قَوْلِ اللَّهِ عَزَّ وَ جَلَّ

مجلسي صحيح بسنديه– بهبودي صحيح

Wassalaam

Edited February 7, 2013 by pyaro

[Abu Abdullaah]

The hadeeth is weak per shia rijaal standards brother.... Muhammad bin `eesa from yoonus bin Abdul Rahmaan is weak because of the problem with the itisaal.

Salaam

[Naruto]

There is another Sahih hadith where Imam al-Sadiq (as) says that Imam Ali (as), Fatima (as) Imam Hassan (as), Imam Hussein (as) are the people of the kisaa'.

مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عِيسَى عَنْ عَلِيِّ بْنِ الْحَكَمِ عَنْ إِسْمَاعِيلَ بْنِ عَبْدِ الْخَالِقِ قَالَ سَمِعْتُ أَبَا عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع يَقُولُ لِأَبِي جَعْفَرٍ الْأَحْوَلِ وَ أَنَا أَسْمَعُ أَتَيْتَ الْبَصْرَةَ فَقَالَ نَعَمْ قَالَ كَيْفَ رَأَيْتَ مُسَارَعَةَ النَّاسِ إِلَى هَذَا الْأَمْرِ وَ دُخُولَهُمْ فِيهِ قَالَ وَ اللَّهِ إِنَّهُمْ لَقَلِيلٌ وَ لَقَدْ فَعَلُوا وَ إِنَّ ذَلِكَ لَقَلِيلٌ فَقَالَ عَلَيْكَ بِالْأَحْدَاثِ فَإِنَّهُمْ أَسْرَعُ إِلَى كُلِّ خَيْرٍ ثُمَّ قَالَ مَا يَقُولُ أَهْلُ الْبَصْرَةِ فِي هَذِهِ الْآيَةِ قُلْ لا أَسْئَلُكُمْ عَلَيْهِ أَجْراً إِلَّا الْمَوَدَّةَ فِي الْقُرْبى‏

قُلْتُ جُعِلْتُ فِدَاكَ إِنَّهُمْ يَقُولُونَ إِنَّهَا لِأَقَارِبِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ ص فَقَالَ كَذَبُوا إِنَّمَا نَزَلَتْ فِينَا خَاصَّةً فِي أَهْلِ الْبَيْتِ فِي عَلِيٍّ وَ فَاطِمَةَ وَ الْحَسَنِ وَ الْحُسَيْنِ أَصْحَابِ الْكِسَاءِ ع‏

Translation: I once heard Abu ‘AbdAllah, asking Abu Ja’far al-Ahwal, when I was listening, “Did you go to Basrah?” He replied, “Yes” (I went to Basra), He (the Imam) asked, “How was people’s promptness to access this command (Wilayah)? He replied, “By Allah it is very little, they have done it but they are very few.” He (the Imam) said, “You must approach the young ones because they are quicker to all good things.” He (the Imam) said, “What do the people of Basra say about the verse of the Quran, “Say, I do not ask of you any reward, except that you must love my near ones.” (42:23) I then said, “May I be ransomed for you”, they say it is about the relatives of the Messenger of Allah. He (the Imam) said, “They have spoken a lie. It was revealed about us specifically, about Ahlulbayt, Ali, Fatimah, al-Hassan and al-Hussain, the people of the Cloak.

Source: Shaykh Kulayni, Al-Kafi, Volume 8, pg. 93 Hadith # 66

Grading: Allamah Majlisi Graded the following Hadith SaHeeH (Authentic)

Grading Source: Miraat al-‘Uqool, Volume 25, pg. 221-222

From blog : http://www.revivinga...uwaddah-in.html

The hadeeth is weak per shia rijaal standards brother.... Muhammad bin `eesa from yoonus bin Abdul Rahmaan is weak because of the problem with the itisaal.

Salaam

Salam,

Does this mean it is a mursal hadeeth?

Edited February 7, 2013 by Naruto

[GreyMatter]

Uthman al-Khamees doesn't even use logic in his anti-Shia propaganda, his attempts are desperate, and can easily be refuted by using his own argument against him.

He has a 30 part 'Heart to Heart: Letter for seekers of Truth from among the Shia' series against us, I have been refuting it pretty easily so far.

Also why the fuss about the Hadith, it is deemed as Sahih by Sunni standards, and has been included in Sahih Muslim as well.

Edited February 7, 2013 by GreyMatter

[Abu Tufayl]

(bismillah)

The hadeeth is weak per shia rijaal standards brother.... Muhammad bin `eesa from yoonus bin Abdul Rahmaan is weak because of the problem with the itisaal.

Salaam

(wasalaam)

Please be more accurate and state "weak per my standards" as your standards are not representative of authority or the majority.

al-Khui, al-Muhsini, al-Sistani...etc etc and other Muhaqqiqeen and Maraji disagree. The jamhoor (majority) accept Muhammad b. Isa b. Ubayd as thiqa jaleel and his ittisaal with Yunus b. Abdurrahmaan is established.

في امان الله