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When Is It Wajib To Pray?

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Salam

Basically I didn't pray before and now alhimdulliah I pray 5 times a day, so now I'm trying to make up for my qaza salat. So I calculated I need to do 6 years as I thought it was wajib at the age to 10 or 11 so 5 years. In 16 ATM and male so when is it wajib. Please provide evidence if possible. Thanks

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I think it's

-Ejaculation of semen

-Heavy growth of hairs under belly

When this happnes it's wajib on u.

So it depends on when u get mature

Or completion of 15 lunar years.

You don't have to wait for all the signs. If one of them is apparent, Salaah has become Wajib on you [so it is not possible that for a particular boy it becomes Wajib to perform Salaah when he turns 16].

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Or completion of 15 lunar years.

You don't have to wait for all the signs. If one of them is apparent, Salaah has become Wajib on you [so it is not possible that for a particular boy it becomes Wajib to perform Salaah when he turns 16].

But what about mental maturity? That is not the criteria? Let us say he is physically mature but he doesn't yet understand anything about religion, its importance and God.

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Salam

Basically I didn't pray before and now alhimdulliah I pray 5 times a day, so now I'm trying to make up for my qaza salat. So I calculated I need to do 6 years as I thought it was wajib at the age to 10 or 11 so 5 years. In 16 ATM and male so when is it wajib. Please provide evidence if possible. Thanks

i know the answer to this one!

it becomes wajib after ur pubic hair starts to grow...

provide evidence? lol, that sounds mashup bro!

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But what about mental maturity? That is not the criteria? Let us say he is physically mature but he doesn't yet understand anything about religion, its importance and God.

It would be the responsiblity of the community to educate this child before he matures. Of course, he may not fully understand all the fundamentals of the faith or rationale behind all of the rituals, but he will be able to grasp the basic concept of prayer and his obligations towards Allah (swt).

(wasalam)

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from islam.org

"Establish regular prayers at the Sun's decline till the darkness of

the night, and the recital of the Quran in the morning prayer; for the

recital of the dawn is Witnessed. [17:78]"

How many prayer times are mentioned? THREE, NOT five. Count them: the

"Sun's Decline, Darkness of the Night, and the Morning Prayer." That's

THREE, not FIVE.

Now, what did the Prophet (PBUH&HF) do? Here's what Ibn Abbas, one of the

most famous narrators, says according to the Musnad of Ibn Hanbal (One of

the books of tradition):

"The Prophet (PBUH&HF) prayed in Madina, while residing there,

NOT TRAVELING, seven and eight (this is an indication to the seven

Raka't of Maghrib and Isha combined, and the eight Raka't of Zuhr and

`Asr combined)."

Musnad al-Imam Ibn Hanbal, vol. 1, page 221.

Also, in the Muwatta' of Malik (Imam of Maliki sect), vol. 1, page 161, Ibn

Abbas says:

"The Prophet (PBUH&HF) prayed Zuhr and `Asr in combination and Maghrib

and Isha in combination WITHOUT a reason for fear or travel."

As for Sahih Muslim, see the following under the chapter of "Combination of

prayers, when one is resident":

Ibn Abbas reported: The messenger of Allah(may peace be upon him)

observed the noon and the afternoon prayers together, and the sunset

and Isha prayers together without being in a state of fear or in a

state of journey

Sahih Muslim, English version, Chapter CCL, Tradition #1515

Ibn Abbas reported that the messenger of Allah(may peace be upon him)

combined the noon prayer with the afternoon prayer and the sunset

prayer with the Isha prayer in Medina without being in a state of

danger or rainfall. And in the hadith transmitted by Waki(the words

are): "I said to Ibn Abbas: What prompted him to do that? He said: So

that his(prophet's)Ummah should not be put to (unnecessary) hardship."

Sahih Muslim, English version, Chapter CCL, Tradition #1520

Abdullah b. Shaqiq reported: Ibn Abbas one day addressed us in the

afternoon(after the afternoon prayer) till the sun disappeared, and

the stars appeared, and the people began to say: Prayer, prayer. A

person from Banu Tamim came there. He neither slackened nor turned

away, but (continued crying): Prayer, prayer. Ibn Abbas said: May you

be deprived of your mother, do you teach me sunnah? And then he said:

I saw the messenger of Allah(may peace be upon him) combining the noon

and afternoon prayers and the sunset and Isha prayers. Abdullah b.

Shaqiq said: Some doubt was created in my mind about it. So I came to

Abu Huraira and asked him(about it) and he testified his assertion.

Sahih Muslim, English version, Chapter CCL, Tradition #1523

Abdullah b. Shaqiq al-Uqaili reported: A person said to Ibn Abbas(as

he delayed the prayer): Prayer. He kept silent. He again said: Prayer.

He again kept silent, and he cried: Prayer. He again kept silent and

said: May you be deprived of your mother, do you teach us about

prayer? We used to combine two prayers during the lifetime of the

messenger of Allah(may peace be upon him).

Sahih Muslim, English version, Chapter CCL, Tradition #1524

Ibn Abbas reported: The messenger of Allah(may peace be upon him)

observed the noon and afternoon prayers together in Medina without

being in a state of fear or in a state of journey. Abu Zubair said: I

asked Sa'id[one of the narrators] why he did that. He said: I asked

Ibn Abbas as you have asked me, and he replied that he[the Holy

prophet] wanted that no one among his Ummah should be put to

[unnecessary] hardship.

Sahih Muslim, English version, Chapter CCL, Tradition #1516

Ibn Abbas reported that the Messenger of Allah(may peace be upon him)

observed in Medina seven (rakahs) and eight(rakahs), i.e., (he

combined) the noon and afternoon prayers(eight rakahs) and the sunset

and Isha prayers(seven Rakahs).

Sahih Muslim, English version, Chapter CCL, Tradition #1522

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from islam.org

"Establish regular prayers at the Sun's decline till the darkness of

the night, and the recital of the Quran in the morning prayer; for the

recital of the dawn is Witnessed. [17:78]"

How many prayer times are mentioned? THREE, NOT five. Count them: the

"Sun's Decline, Darkness of the Night, and the Morning Prayer." That's

THREE, not FIVE.

Now, what did the Prophet (PBUH&HF) do? Here's what Ibn Abbas, one of the

most famous narrators, says according to the Musnad of Ibn Hanbal (One of

the books of tradition):

"The Prophet (PBUH&HF) prayed in Madina, while residing there,

NOT TRAVELING, seven and eight (this is an indication to the seven

Raka't of Maghrib and Isha combined, and the eight Raka't of Zuhr and

`Asr combined)."

Musnad al-Imam Ibn Hanbal, vol. 1, page 221.

Also, in the Muwatta' of Malik (Imam of Maliki sect), vol. 1, page 161, Ibn

Abbas says:

"The Prophet (PBUH&HF) prayed Zuhr and `Asr in combination and Maghrib

and Isha in combination WITHOUT a reason for fear or travel."

As for Sahih Muslim, see the following under the chapter of "Combination of

prayers, when one is resident":

Ibn Abbas reported: The messenger of Allah(may peace be upon him)

observed the noon and the afternoon prayers together, and the sunset

and Isha prayers together without being in a state of fear or in a

state of journey

Sahih Muslim, English version, Chapter CCL, Tradition #1515

Ibn Abbas reported that the messenger of Allah(may peace be upon him)

combined the noon prayer with the afternoon prayer and the sunset

prayer with the Isha prayer in Medina without being in a state of

danger or rainfall. And in the hadith transmitted by Waki(the words

are): "I said to Ibn Abbas: What prompted him to do that? He said: So

that his(prophet's)Ummah should not be put to (unnecessary) hardship."

Sahih Muslim, English version, Chapter CCL, Tradition #1520

Abdullah b. Shaqiq reported: Ibn Abbas one day addressed us in the

afternoon(after the afternoon prayer) till the sun disappeared, and

the stars appeared, and the people began to say: Prayer, prayer. A

person from Banu Tamim came there. He neither slackened nor turned

away, but (continued crying): Prayer, prayer. Ibn Abbas said: May you

be deprived of your mother, do you teach me sunnah? And then he said:

I saw the messenger of Allah(may peace be upon him) combining the noon

and afternoon prayers and the sunset and Isha prayers. Abdullah b.

Shaqiq said: Some doubt was created in my mind about it. So I came to

Abu Huraira and asked him(about it) and he testified his assertion.

Sahih Muslim, English version, Chapter CCL, Tradition #1523

Abdullah b. Shaqiq al-Uqaili reported: A person said to Ibn Abbas(as

he delayed the prayer): Prayer. He kept silent. He again said: Prayer.

He again kept silent, and he cried: Prayer. He again kept silent and

said: May you be deprived of your mother, do you teach us about

prayer? We used to combine two prayers during the lifetime of the

messenger of Allah(may peace be upon him).

Sahih Muslim, English version, Chapter CCL, Tradition #1524

Ibn Abbas reported: The messenger of Allah(may peace be upon him)

observed the noon and afternoon prayers together in Medina without

being in a state of fear or in a state of journey. Abu Zubair said: I

asked Sa'id[one of the narrators] why he did that. He said: I asked

Ibn Abbas as you have asked me, and he replied that he[the Holy

prophet] wanted that no one among his Ummah should be put to

[unnecessary] hardship.

Sahih Muslim, English version, Chapter CCL, Tradition #1516

Ibn Abbas reported that the Messenger of Allah(may peace be upon him)

observed in Medina seven (rakahs) and eight(rakahs), i.e., (he

combined) the noon and afternoon prayers(eight rakahs) and the sunset

and Isha prayers(seven Rakahs).

Sahih Muslim, English version, Chapter CCL, Tradition #1522

That's not what he's talking about in this thread.

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Either way u said. "How many prayer times are mentioned? THREE, NOT five." What's wrong with me praying 5 times I do it to reach more nearness to my lord and the ahlybait so please, joint prayers are a blessing not to be over used I only do it when I know I won't be able to pray the say esha or Asr then I join.

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