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Praying At University With Sunnis

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Some of them ALWAYS ASK ME TO LEAD PRAYERS, even when they see my turbah. Some stand next to me, say something in arabic and move away lol. I always laugh at that. But my question is, they dont even recite the athan, one guy leads and just starts. If I lead, how do I do it? Because I feel like as a shia I would confuse them. If someone can give me the steps,

For example, do I recite athan loud in front of them?

Do I just say Bismillah before each surah and Allah'wakbar after each stance?

Wa Salaam

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Recite Adhan if you want, but it's not Wajib. You can just start with Takbirat al-Ihram.

Just pray like you normally would, if you were leading Shia. Say Bism Allah al-Rahman al-Raheem out loud, say Allahu Akbar between positions, etc.

The only thing which I sometimes leave out is Qunoot, since it's not Wajib and it just baffles them - they end up in Ruku' before me, etc.

whats takbirat and qunoot? I probably know but i dont know the arabic....

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Recite Adhan if you want, but it's not Wajib. You can just start with Takbirat al-Ihram.

Just pray like you normally would, if you were leading Shia. Say Bism Allah al-Rahman al-Raheem out loud, say Allahu Akbar between positions, etc.

The only thing which I sometimes leave out is Qunoot, since it's not Wajib and it just baffles them - they end up in Ruku' before me, etc.

True that, Sunnis get over the Turbah thing really fast, they get the reasoning behind it as well.

They are quite happy when you as a Shia proudly join their Jamaat for Salah, since it's more the merrier.

But when the Qunoot is done, they give a confused ' :huh:' look, since it's not Wajib, it is best to line your actions with the Jamaat.

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complete and total BS....

I have lead them before in salat and man did they follow...qunoot, bismillah out loud, everything...if u are gonna lead them then dont make concessions for them...they asked u to be their leader so just do it...unless of course you feel the need for taqiyyah but in N. America usually its not as required.

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complete and total BS....

I have lead them before in salat and man did they follow...qunoot, bismillah out loud, everything...if u are gonna lead them then dont make concessions for them...they asked u to be their leader so just do it...unless of course you feel the need for taqiyyah but in N. America usually its not as required.

Sorry, what is 'BS' exactly?

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complete and total BS....

I have lead them before in salat and man did they follow...qunoot, bismillah out loud, everything...if u are gonna lead them then dont make concessions for them...they asked u to be their leader so just do it...unless of course you feel the need for taqiyyah but in N. America usually its not as required.

Big thumbs up for no concessions, haha.

As for the comment on no 'adhaan/`iqaama, I think for us both are required to initiate jamaa`a. I don't pray behind the Sunnis, sometimes one or two pray behind me and I just won't do qunoot; maybe I will next time.

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Big thumbs up for no concessions, haha.

As for the comment on no 'adhaan/`iqaama, I think for us both are required to initiate jamaa`a. I don't pray behind the Sunnis, sometimes one or two pray behind me and I just won't do qunoot; maybe I will next time.

Really? Could you please show me a ruling, I haven't come across this.

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Yeah, I meant which comment was BS. I didn't see any BS comments. Perhaps I missed something.

Yeah, I meant which comment was BS. I didn't see any BS comments. Perhaps I missed something.

He meant that it was BS that Sunnis don't understand what to do when the leader does qunoot. Because, earlier, you said that they are baffled by it.

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Just be polite and say that you are a Shia and that you would be happy to lead them in prayers but this and this are some of the things you would do (like Qunoot and Turbah etc) and that if it makes them uncomforatble they can get another guy to lead, otherwise if they are happy with you lead them and pray like you always do :)

Half the time the Sunnis I ran into at the university prayer room were ok with that and let me lead them and the other half of the time some other sunnis then decided that they wanted someone else to lead them, no harm done :)

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why don't sunnis do qunoot?

They sometimes (rarely) do qunoot in jam'aat after rukuu for a long time and then go into sujood.

As far as praying with them and leading, you should ask one of them behind you to say Iqama since that's how they do it (it's allowed for us as well but it's generally recommended for the leader of the prayer to say it).

If you do say Iqama, make sure to leave out ashhadu anna aliyan waliyullah. Whether or not saying it is actually a good thing is another discussion, but for argument's sake even if it is a recommended act you still shouldn't say it. Just as you shouldn't do qunoot with them. There are degrees and levels of mustahab acts, and sometimes one good act trumps another based on the situation at hand. Like breaking a mustahab fast if someone offers you food or breaking a mustahab prayer if your parents call you. Since you normally do the generally good act of qunoot, it's better that you skip it with the Sunni's so you do the better act of encouraging unity. That way they'll see that there's more similarities than differences and maybe even consider becoming Shia.

Also if they ask about the turbah, then first say that as a servant of Allah (swt) going into the most holy of situations (Sujood), there's no better way for you to prostrate before Allah (swt) in the humblest manner than putting your forehead directly on dirt/clay - the material that you were created from and will end up in. If they don't accept that then just say that it's sunnah and quote sahih muslim, where there's an entire section that narrates the prophet praying on a khumrah, of which ibn taymiyyah narrates is similar to what the Shia's pray on today.

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(salam)

Really? Could you please show me a ruling, I haven't come across this.

Sure, this is from Shaykh at Tusi's (ra) book "an Nihaaya." It has been partially translated in English.

"It is not permitted to leave out both the adhan and the iqamah in congregational prayers (salat al-jama`ah). Whoever does this has not performed congregational prayers. If one has said the adahn and the iqamah to perform one's own prayer by himself but a group joins him and they decide to perform jama`ah then both the adhan and the iqamah must be said again and they are not allowed to pray by the first adhan and iqamah. If a group enter a mosque after congregational prayer has been performed with an established Imam, and they decide to perform jama`ah, then the adhan and the iqamah are not obligatory upon them."

http://books.google.com/books/about/Concise_Description_of_Islamic_Law_and_L.html?id=FO6CBMZU5xgC

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Sure, this is from Shaykh at Tusi's (ra) book "an Nihaaya." It has been partially translated in English.

"It is not permitted to leave out both the adhan and the iqamah in congregational prayers (salat al-jama`ah). Whoever does this has not performed congregational prayers. If one has said the adahn and the iqamah to perform one's own prayer by himself but a group joins him and they decide to perform jama`ah then both the adhan and the iqamah must be said again and they are not allowed to pray by the first adhan and iqamah. If a group enter a mosque after congregational prayer has been performed with an established Imam, and they decide to perform jama`ah, then the adhan and the iqamah are not obligatory upon them."

http://books.google....id=FO6CBMZU5xgC

Any rulings from contemporary Maraji'?

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salam

What university do you go to? I have to admit that these people of yours seem to be very open minded to pray behind a shia. This past muharem at my university, our TMA brought a shiek to give out a lecture about Imam Hussien(as) and karabala. When it was time for duhr prayer, we escorted him to the multi-faith room to lead the prayer. Funny thing was, while were praying, every sunni that came in didn't pray next to us except a few. Instead, they gathered to start their own salat and while we were praying, one of them started Iqama. Not very open minded as you see.

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