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Muhammad's Miracle Of Splitting The Moon...

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Muhammad the Prophet of Islam's miracle of splitting the moon into two seperate pieces which then joined back together (ofcourse), it was said to be his one and only actual or main miracle.

However how does a person who does not accept this as a genuin miracle explain or justify his/her views or opinions in this matter?

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Salaam / Peace

Muhammad the Prophet of Islam's miracle of splitting the moon into two seperate pieces which then joined back together (ofcourse), it was said to be his one and only actual or main miracle.

However how does a person who does not accept this as a genuin miracle explain or justify his/her views or opinions in this matter?

A miracle is not supported by science. So there's not too many reasons for someone who didn't witness it to believe in it.

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Well, if Muhammed pbuh today split the moon infront of a crowd of atheists, i can tell you, not a single one would reject he was a prophet pbuh, or that God existed.

Why do they get all the miracles, while we are all set on a treasurehunt?

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Salaam Alaikom

There was the event when the Prophet (SAW) was traveling with companions when they ran out of water, and when he had them bring a container he filled it with water which came from his fingertips continuously. There was also the time when Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as) had sickness of the eyes when the Holy Prophet (SAW) applied his saliva to Ali's eyes and cured him of his sickness (before the battle Ali (as) went on to win). The greatest miracle of all was the Holy Qur`an.

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Salaam / Peace

Muhammad the Prophet of Islam's miracle of splitting the moon into two seperate pieces which then joined back together (ofcourse), it was said to be his one and only actual or main miracle.

However how does a person who does not accept this as a genuin miracle explain or justify his/her views or opinions in this matter?

walikumsalam.

In 2002 during the Islamic month of Ramada on CNN,america's number one news station,there was a panel composed of four people.1)jew 2) christian 3) Muslim 4) NASA representative.on such month it was discovered by NASA that the moon seemed as though it was two pieces and it was suggested that if it was so that man could have not done it but God Himself.The question was posed to all members if there was anything in their scripture to support this idea:no one but the Muslim was able to give an account on the matter. so whoever doest not accept the idea that the moon was splitted does not accept CNN or NASA.

Moreover, late Muhammad Hamidullah, Islamic scholar points out, there is a trace of a cleft on the surface of the moon from the top to the bottom in the middle of the moon. This cleft is about a mile (a thousand and six hundred meters) wide; the astronomers called it Hadley Rille. The research about that cleft done by Apollo-15 crew was reported in the newspapers then. The picture of the cleft is shown below.

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Many dont consider this an authentic Miracle of prophet and refer to Quran as the judgment day when moon will be split into two, then which a lot of disturbances will happen on earth. Now that is scientistfc.

If moon was indeed to slipt, one should really consider the sciente implications. Not that Allah (swt) isn't capable of doing so but if one reads Quran carefully, you will see all the Miracles were necessary or needed and were not just there for entertainment.

Splitting moon wouldn't help anyone prophet. In fact on the contrary, prophet has been narrated to have said his main and biggest miracle was Quran.

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Well, if Muhammed pbuh today split the moon infront of a crowd of atheists, i can tell you, not a single one would reject he was a prophet pbuh, or that God existed.

Why do they get all the miracles, while we are all set on a treasurehunt?

You don't need miracles the truth is clear from falsehood. The fact that people still didn't accept prophets and mistook them as magicians and gods even after the miracle, shows you even if there is a miricale now, no on would believe it. Quran is a living miracle yet no one sees it....

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Salaam / Peace

Muhammad the Prophet of Islam's miracle of splitting the moon into two seperate pieces which then joined back together (ofcourse), it was said to be his one and only actual or main miracle.

W salaam. Our Prophet's miracle is the Quran.

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Many dont consider this an authentic Miracle of prophet and refer to Quran as the judgment day when moon will be split into two, then which a lot of disturbances will happen on earth. Now that is scientistfc.

If moon was indeed to slipt, one should really consider the sciente implications. Not that Allah (swt) isn't capable of doing so but if one reads Quran carefully, you will see all the Miracles were necessary or needed and were not just there for entertainment.

Splitting moon wouldn't help anyone prophet. In fact on the contrary, prophet has been narrated to have said his main and biggest miracle was Quran.

Salaam Alaikum

This seems to make better sense... thanks

However is it possible that one can see two moons from the sky ie the real moon plus an illusion of it of some kind? I mean I have heard/read stories that on rare occasions one sees the moon in the south east and then its illusion on the north west thus it looks like there are two moon across facing other when we know our planet earth has just the one moon, so how is this possible?

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W salaam. Our Prophet's miracle is the Quran.

It takes a very goog memory to remember exactly what the angel said, if it was a long story, but some humans have got this ability. It is not a miracle. Having said this, we do not know if Muhammad was one of them.

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It takes a very goog memory to remember exactly what the angel said, if it was a long story, but some humans have got this ability. It is not a miracle. Having said this, we do not know if Muhammad was one of them.

It wasn't his memory I was talking about :)

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.....are you saying that the poetry of the Quran in arabic is of a such high artistic quality that it is a miracle?

One of the ways its miracles. If you can brother try reading the Quran yourself, that would be a much better way to understand how it is extraordinary than us saying it is.

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Well, if Muhammed pbuh today split the moon infront of a crowd of atheists, i can tell you, not a single one would reject he was a prophet pbuh, or that God existed.

Why do they get all the miracles, while we are all set on a treasurehunt?

Have you not read in the Quran:

"Had We sent down to you a Book on paper so they could touch it with their [own] hands, [still] the faithless would have said, 'This is nothing but plain magic.'" - Quran, al-An'am, 6:7.

"Soon I shall turn away from My signs those who are udunly arrogant in the earth: [even] though they should see every sign, they will not believe it, and if they see the way of rectitude they will not take it as [their] way, and if they see the way of error they will take it as [their] way. That is because they deny Our signs and are oblivious to them.'" - Quran, al-A'raf, 7:146.

Prophets and messengers alike brought signs and miracles as well, yet, they were denied and impugned -- like the people of Pharaoh, Thamud, and 'Aad. Then, do you expect the faithless to have faith once Imam al-Mahdi (as) and Jesus, the son of Mary, returns? Nay, those will be fought and those will be felicitous, and those will be fought and those will be defeated. Had they the possibility to guide themselves they would have done that before God did that and there wouldn't be any need of a sign, therefore, God guides whomsoever He want to guide, and they have no part in it and nor can they defy or change His words.

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I do not speak arabic so I have read it in my own language. To me the Quran are the words that Muhammed says are the words of God, collected and compiled by his fellows after his death. Very much like the New Testament authors have preserved the teaching of Jesus. Nothing miraculous in my opinion.

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I do not speak arabic so I have read it in my own language. To me the Quran are the words that Muhammed says are the words of God, collected and compiled by his fellows after his death. Very much like the New Testament authors have preserved the teaching of Jesus. Nothing miraculous in my opinion.

That is yours and those who disbelieved in Muhammad and his message opinion, nothing new. Nevertheless, the Arabs who lived whilst the prophet lived, faithless and faithful, they were indeed astonished by this Book the prophet brought. That is, because they understood the Arabic language, however, they denied the message of submission -- as mentioned throughout the Quran, and thought the resurrection is false, and the return they denied and abhorred. Perhaps, you should accept the challenge of God and try to fabricate a chapter, even three verses will do. Or is this a challenge too difficult for someone who doesn't understand the Arabic language profoundly; 'Harder than it looks, its impossible.' the conclusion of the inexperienced.

Anyway, you claimed that Quran were compiled after the demise of the prophet, that is false. First of all, the Quran were revealed throughout several occasions and a time of twenty-three years, as responses to questions, warnings, and good tidings, of short passages, and sometimes passages that span several pages. Therefore, because of this and the unique, mesmerizing fusion of prose and poetry it was easy to learn by heart. Secondly, the compilation of the Quran were supervised and ordered by the prophet, hence there isn't any possibilities of errors due to mistakes or forgetfulness. Furthermore, the A'immah, the vicegerents' of God and the prophets appointed successors, protected the message of Islam and the Quran from any alterations and errors throughout several centuries.

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Singe I do not read arabic I can not judge if the Quran is good poetry or not, but I have no reason to doubt it is. I just never would call a very good poetry for a miracle. As for the compilation of the Quran Wikipedia informs:

Due to the fact that the Qur'an was revealed in disjointed verses and chapters, a point came when it needed to be gathered into a coherent whole text. There are disagreements among both Muslim and non-Muslim scholars as to when the Qur'an was compiled. Some believe Muhammad compiled it before he died, while others believe it was collected by either Ali ibn Abu Talib or Abu Bakr.

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Singe I do not read arabic I can not judge if the Quran is good poetry or not, but I have no reason to doubt it is. I just never would call a very good poetry for a miracle. As for the compilation of the Quran Wikipedia informs:

Due to the fact that the Qur'an was revealed in disjointed verses and chapters, a point came when it needed to be gathered into a coherent whole text. There are disagreements among both Muslim and non-Muslim scholars as to when the Qur'an was compiled. Some believe Muhammad compiled it before he died, while others believe it was collected by either Ali ibn Abu Talib or Abu Bakr.

Is an apparent and existing miracle more difficult to comprehend than an long gone one? As a Shi'a adherent, it was by the command of the prophet (pbuh) to Amir al-Mu'minin 'Ali b. Abi Talib (as) to compile it, hence the order of the verses collaborate in harmony with one another, had this task been given to an ordinary man, the Quran would most surely have plenty of contradictions. Furthermore, most non-Muslim scholar seems to be using the Sunni's books are sources for their claims, thus, plenty of fabricated lies has been attributed to the prophet (pbuh) and some exaggeration of his companions.

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I am not familiar enough with the Quran to understand why the Quran would be full of contradictions if compiled by another person. But why then did Muhammad not compile it himself? Whether the Quran has got errors or not is also a disputed matter that I so far have got no opinion on.

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walikumsalam.

In 2002 during the Islamic month of Ramada on CNN,america's number one news station,there was a panel composed of four people.1)jew 2) christian 3) Muslim 4) NASA representative.on such month it was discovered by NASA that the moon seemed as though it was two pieces and it was suggested that if it was so that man could have not done it but God Himself.The question was posed to all members if there was anything in their scripture to support this idea:no one but the Muslim was able to give an account on the matter. so whoever doest not accept the idea that the moon was splitted does not accept CNN or NASA.

Moreover, late Muhammad Hamidullah, Islamic scholar points out, there is a trace of a cleft on the surface of the moon from the top to the bottom in the middle of the moon. This cleft is about a mile (a thousand and six hundred meters) wide; the astronomers called it Hadley Rille. The research about that cleft done by Apollo-15 crew was reported in the newspapers then. The picture of the cleft is shown below.

25927-003-A5CC0E56.jpg<img alt="Hadley Rille [Credit: NASA]" src="http://media-2.web.b...3-A5CC0E56.jpg" width="100" height="119">valley on the Moon, typical of the class of features known as sinuous rilles, which are believed to be ancient lava flow channels. The feature was a primary site of exploration for the Apollo 15 lunar-landing mission.

25926-003-B9C5BDC3.jpg<img alt="Hadley Rille: Scott and the lunar rover [Credit: NASA]" src="http://media-3.web.britannica.com/eb-media/26/25926-003-B9C5BDC3.jpg" width="100" height="82">Named for the 18th-century English inventor John Hadley, the rille is located at approximately 26° N, 3° E, at the southeastern edge of the great lava-filled Imbrium Basin (Mare Imbrium) impact feature. The steep-walled valley, about 1.5 km (0.9 mile) wide and 400 metres (1,300 feet)

deep.

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The Hadley rille is only a mile long and is considered to be an ancient lava flow channel. Please do not lie people, it annoys me.

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25927-003-A5CC0E56.jpg<img alt="Hadley Rille [Credit: NASA]" src="http://media-2.web.b...3-A5CC0E56.jpg" width="100" height="119">valley on the Moon, typical of the class of features known as sinuous rilles, which are believed to be ancient lava flow channels. The feature was a primary site of exploration for the Apollo 15 lunar-landing mission.

25926-003-B9C5BDC3.jpg<img alt="Hadley Rille: Scott and the lunar rover [Credit: NASA]" src="http://media-3.web.britannica.com/eb-media/26/25926-003-B9C5BDC3.jpg" width="100" height="82">Named for the 18th-century English inventor John Hadley, the rille is located at approximately 26° N, 3° E, at the southeastern edge of the great lava-filled Imbrium Basin (Mare Imbrium) impact feature. The steep-walled valley, about 1.5 km (0.9 mile) wide and 400 metres (1,300 feet)

deep.

The Hadley rille is only a mile long and is considered to be an ancient lava flow channel. Please do not lie people, it annoys me.

(salam)

I don't think he intended to lie, I believe it was just ignorance. The real liars are the ones who have originally spread this propaganda.

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I am not familiar enough with the Quran to understand why the Quran would be full of contradictions if compiled by another person. But why then did Muhammad not compile it himself? Whether the Quran has got errors or not is also a disputed matter that I so far have got no opinion on.

It was compiled by the command of the prophet (pbuh) whilst he still was living, by the way, compiled in this context means collecting every scripture written of the Quran, not the verbal form. The verbal form were indeed compiled by the prophet himself, as instructed by God.

Please, provide me with a reference, about the disputed matter. Arabs are united that there isn't any errors about the Quran, Arabs who understand the Quranic Arabic. Non-Muslims simply doesn't understand a verse and takes it out of the context and keeps chanting errors, errors, until they become dumbfounded by an response. For example, in this forum a faithless claimed the Quran has errors because he didn't comprehend the argument between prophet Abraham (as) and the oppressive king, Thamud.

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If you google you will find arguments for and against errors in the Quran. The same dispute as you can find about errors in the Bible. Believers tend stick to the belief they grew up with

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If you google you will find arguments for and against errors in the Quran.

If you google you can also find arguments for and against the moon landing, arguments for and against the holocaust. Would you deny these just because there are some 'arguments'?

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I am not saying there are errors in the Quran. I am saying there are different opinions among scolars about this. I myself have only read the Quran once so I dare not say. But not being a Muslim, I doubt very much that Muhammeds revelations were real, that he remembered everything correctly, that all revelations were saved unaltered and so forth.

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I am not saying there are errors in the Quran. I am saying there are different opinions among scolars about this.

I don't think there are - can you please show Muslims scholars who say there are errors in the Quran?

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As far as I knew there was also some doubt as to whether or not the Quran was compiled during the lifetime of the Prophet (saw) - In the Hadith of Thaqalayn he says to hold fast to the "Book of Allah" and his Ahlulbayt. Which is an indication that the Quran existed in book form during the end of his life.

Of course, good old Abu Bakr and Umar couldn't hold themselves back from seizing power, so we do not know more details about it.

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I don't think there are - can you please show Muslims scholars who say there are errors in the Quran?

If it is islamic dogma that the Quran is a perfect book without errors this will be difficult to find. Kind of asking a catholic bishop if the trinity dogma is not an error. There are scolars not bound by dogmas, the editor and translator of my swedish Quran. He notes some historical errors. Naturally a muslim scolar would disagree, and you have got the dispute. I am certain you already know this

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If it is islamic dogma that the Quran is a perfect book without errors this will be difficult to find. Kind of asking a catholic bishop if the trinity dogma is not an error. There are scolars not bound by dogmas, the editor and translator of my swedish Quran. He notes some historical errors. Naturally a muslim scolar would disagree, and you have got the dispute. I am certain you already know this

Of course, everyone work correct a person at fault. You would do the same, then do expect scholars to remain quite whilst someone is impugn their faith. Most surely, it is a responsibility of every scholar to guide the ignorant and correct peoples mistake.

As for your copy of the Quran, the sources for Islamic history used by non-Muslim is the prophetic traditions, therefore, the author have to mention. More interestingly, would you read the bible translated by a person who at the same time tries to point out errors? Wouldn't this person rather be suspicious. (Skriv de misstag som författaren har funnit om Du nu talar sanning [på svenska om du vill] och låt oss rätta dig; sannerligen enbart en dåre frågar en jude om Islam, en hindu om Buddhismen eller en atheist om Kristendomen.)

You doubt the order of the verses, the unaltered nature of the Quran, and the revelation being from God. Then, produce your evidence shall ya be truthful and bring us an original Quran that you may refer to.

"It is indeed [foretold] in the scriptures of the anicents. Is it not a sign for them that the learned the Children of Israel recognize it?" - Quran, al-Shu'ara', 26:196-197.

A universal message conveyed by prophets and messengers, from the teaching of Abraham to Muhammad (pbuh), and before them Noah and 'Adam; submitting to God, the One, Exalted. Or do you doubt a written history?

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I am not saying there are errors in the Quran. I am saying there are different opinions among scolars about this. I myself have only read the Quran once so I dare not say. But not being a Muslim, I doubt very much that Muhammeds revelations were real, that he remembered everything correctly, that all revelations were saved unaltered and so forth.

If you don't want to call them "errors" call them "curious texts" such as 18:86. I believe this was Alexander the Great it talks about finding the sun setting in a spring of muddy water. Muhammad seemed to believe this.

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If you don't want to call them "errors" call them "curious texts" such as 18:86. I believe this was Alexander the Great it talks about finding the sun setting in a spring of muddy water. Muhammad seemed to believe this.

Perhaps you shouldn't ascribe the opinion of people to the prophet? There isn't any prophetic tradition that states it was Alexander the Greater. Do you not see that people argue about who it might be?! As a matter of fact you are so derailed to an extent that you do not differ from the previous Christian scholars who claimed Muslims prohibited pig because their prophet were eaten by one, God forbid! Once again, history, witnesses a fabricated lie ascribed to an innocent man and spread to the ignorant who doesn't know or understand.

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