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What Is Our Role When Al Mahdi Arise?

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Salam alaykum

I got a question that actually makes me think, because we all wait for the hujjah aj, and indeed we all wait on that.

But let's say Al Hujjaj aj, arrive today, what should the busniessman whos working in a big company, or the man whos sitting home and waiting 100(0) km from the place al Hujjah aj arise. The one who is studying, the one who is poor?

What should we do?

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remember that your utmost duty is to the Imam and Allah, and if the Imam comes to your doorstep do exactly as he says, don't question him not a word of discontent just understand that he knows best.

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mehdi is already arrived,but no one except a few no of people know him or where he is,world is finding for the real imam mehdi all that emargin or demanding to be mehdi are all fake,Allah will make him intruduce to all,all faith to Allah. before u belief him u will have to beliief rebirth,coz all 1,24000 are also arrived some of them a little no of thme are introced. like ibrahim,ismail....etc. they are amongst the poor people,and living simple lives among people....

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Al salam alaikum wa ra7matullah wa barakatuh ,

I will just give you a link to great information where you can research, read and learn brother and make sure you know the Imam of your time, because in a hadith it is said :

Some people asked Imam Hasan al-Askari (as), “ your forefathers have said that the earth would never be without knowing the sign of Allah (Hujjatullah) till Doomsday, and he who dies without knowing the Imam of his time will die the death of ignorance”. Imam replied, “ That was as true as the shining day. They inquired as to who would be the Imam who would be the sign of the Mercy of God after his death, Imam replied, “ He will be my son, the namesake of the Holy Prophet (Muhammad Abul Qasim). He who died without knowing him will die the death of ignorance. His absence will be so lengthy that the ignorant will wander puzzled and would surely stray from the Right Path. But the Righteous shall remain steadfast and pray for their Imam to appear within their life time”.

resource: http://www.al-islam.org/kaaba14/15.htm

now the link :

http://www.duas.org/NEW/waiting.htm

now the site www.duas.org holds great books for you to read , even biographies about the imams a.s take use of this and gain more knowledge brother, altso another link which holds many links :P

to both articles and duas etc

http://www.duas.org/imamezamana.htm

hope this helps you brother

salam

duas

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pray every day you dont see him , after him is dajjal a great and difficult trial ..... lets hope Allah SWT extends our time and all of humanity become enlightned

wha...? Dajjal comes before, and Imam (atf) removes dajjal.... anyways, dajjal is already here.

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pray every day you dont see him , after him is dajjal a great and difficult trial ..... lets hope Allah SWT extends our time and all of humanity become enlightned

how do expect humanity to become enlightened without the mahdi emerging? i hope you were joking with your statement of praying every day not to see him

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I have question about this also. So there will be 313 or around 7000 people in Imam(A.S.)'s army, what about the rest of the shia ? Will they all get killed or they will join Dajjal?

(salam)

According to narrations there will be 313 who will initially join the Imam 'Jibrael will be the first to pay allegiance to him and then the 313 men'. These will be the most devout followers who will be taken to the Imam (a.s) and are the leaders of the remaining shia followers which accumulate later. Imam Mahdi (a.s) will come when the Shia's are already being persecuted and killed. Once he returns, the Shia descendents of Imam Hassan (a.s) who will oppose Sufyani will also eventually join the army of Imam Mahdi's (a.s) according to narrations. At first they will be unsure but when produced with proofs such as the stick of Prophet Musa (a.s) and the chain-mail of Prophet Muhammad (a.s) they too will support him. Typing up these narrations with such long Isnaad's below has stopped me from posting these as well :P However if you are interested, the narrations for these are discussed in The Qa'em in the Qu'ran by Sayyid Hashim Al Bahraani.

Ibn Babeweyh narrated from Ahmad bin Mohammad bin Yahya Al-Attar from Abi Jaafar from Muhammad bin Hussain bin Abi Khattab, from Muhammad bin Sinaan, from Abi Khalid Al-Qammat , from Z'ruais , from Abi Khalid al-Kaboli from the master of worshipers - Ali ibn Hussain (Imam Sajaad a.s) who said:

Those missing from their beds are the three hundred and thirteen men (who are) equal to the number of companions of the Battle of Badr. They will all suddenly find themselves in Makkah, for Allah says, "Wherever you are, Allah will bring you together" (2:148). They are the companions of the Qaem"

Ayyashi narrated through his Isnaad from Jabir Al Jofi from Imam Baqir (a.s) who said :

The Qaem and his minister will be between Ruqn and Maqaam holding the convenant, the flag, and the sword of the Prophet when the companions will join him and pay allegiance to him.

Imam Baqir continued, I swear to Allah that a little over three hundred and ten companions will join him and there will be fifty women with them.

(later on in the same narration it specifically states) Then Allah will gather the three hundred and thirteen men for him with no prior appointment just like the cumulus of clouds of autumn.

I (Abu Baseer) asked, May I sacrifice myself for you. Will there be any believer on earth other than the companions of the Qa'em? Imam replied, "Yes, but the companions are those with whom the Qa'em will rise. They are the noble ones, the judges, the rulers, the scholars in religion. The Qa'em will move his hands over their stomachs and their backs and by doing so they will never commit an error in their judgement.

Imam replied, O Aba Baseer! When our Qa'em rises Allah will resurrect a group of Shia for him who will be carrying their swords by their handles on their shoulders (ready to fight). Some of our Shia, who have not died yet will hear about it.

(Chain of narration: Abu Jaafar Muhammad narrated from Abil Husain Muhammad bin Harun bin Musa bin Ahmaas from Abi Ali Hasan bin Ahmad / Mohammaad Al-Nahawendi, from Abi Jaafar Mohammad bin Ibrahim bin Abdillah bin Qummi Al Qattan known as Ibn Al-Khazzaz, from Muhammad bin Ziyad, from Abi Abdillah Al Khorasani, from Abil Husain Abdillah bin Hasan al Zohari, from Abi Hassaan Sa'eed bin Jinnah, from Mas'oud/Mas'adah bin Sadaqah from Abi baseer)

There are a lot more narrations that support this idea of 313 initial companions for the Imam (a.s) to rise with who will be commanders as such and help establish peace all over the earth. If you are interested in further reading, there are many good books on Imam Mahdi (a.s) that discuss such matters or online resources can be found here: http://www.shiachat....esource-thread/

Wa Salaam

Edited by *Sayyeda*

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There is an important narration from Imam Sadiq in which he advised his companion, he told him "If you prayed for Allah to meet Imam Mahdi, pray for Allah that that meeting will happen while your are guarding your religion"

The hadith speaks about the Imam of justice, he will put an end for every evil doer, we know that Muslims in the end of times will mostly lose their faith and be an evil doers themselves.

There are another hadith that say those will be reluctant to meet Imam Mahdi will be the disbelievers or those who had committed shameful crimes.

so i think that the best thing to do while waiting Imam Mahdi is to guard your own religion and hope that when he arise you will be ready to meet him without a shame.

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(salam)

According to narrations there will be 313 who will initially join the Imam 'Jibrael will be the first to pay allegiance to him and then the 313 men'. These will be the most devout followers who will be taken to the Imam (a.s) and are the leaders of the remaining shia followers which accumulate later. Imam Mahdi (a.s) will come when the Shia's are already being persecuted and killed. Once he returns, the Shia descendents of Imam Hassan (a.s) who will oppose Sufyani will also eventually join the army of Imam Mahdi's (a.s) according to narrations. At first they will be unsure but when produced with proofs such as the stick of Prophet Musa (a.s) and the chain-mail of Prophet Muhammad (a.s) they too will support him. Typing up these narrations with such long Isnaad's below has stopped me from posting these as well :P However if you are interested, the narrations for these are discussed in The Qa'em in the Qu'ran by Sayyid Hashim Al Bahraani.

Ibn Babeweyh narrated from Ahmad bin Mohammad bin Yahya Al-Attar from Abi Jaafar from Muhammad bin Hussain bin Abi Khattab, from Muhammad bin Sinaan, from Abi Khalid Al-Qammat , from Z'ruais , from Abi Khalid al-Kaboli from the master of worshipers - Ali ibn Hussain (Imam Sajaad a.s) who said:

Those missing from their beds are the three hundred and thirteen men (who are) equal to the number of companions of the Battle of Badr. They will all suddenly find themselves in Makkah, for Allah says, "Wherever you are, Allah will bring you together" (2:148). They are the companions of the Qaem"

Ayyashi narrated through his Isnaad from Jabir Al Jofi from Imam Baqir (a.s) who said :

The Qaem and his minister will be between Ruqn and Maqaam holding the convenant, the flag, and the sword of the Prophet when the companions will join him and pay allegiance to him.

Imam Baqir continued, I swear to Allah that a little over three hundred and ten companions will join him and there will be fifty women with them.

(later on in the same narration it specifically states) Then Allah will gather the three hundred and thirteen men for him with no prior appointment just like the cumulus of clouds of autumn.

I (Abu Baseer) asked, May I sacrifice myself for you. Will there be any believer on earth other than the companions of the Qa'em? Imam replied, "Yes, but the companions are those with whom the Qa'em will rise. They are the noble ones, the judges, the rulers, the scholars in religion. The Qa'em will move his hands over their stomachs and their backs and by doing so they will never commit an error in their judgement.

Imam replied, O Aba Baseer! When our Qa'em rises Allah will resurrect a group of Shia for him who will be carrying their swords by their handles on their shoulders (ready to fight). Some of our Shia, who have not died yet will hear about it.

(Chain of narration: Abu Jaafar Muhammad narrated from Abil Husain Muhammad bin Harun bin Musa bin Ahmaas from Abi Ali Hasan bin Ahmad / Mohammaad Al-Nahawendi, from Abi Jaafar Mohammad bin Ibrahim bin Abdillah bin Qummi Al Qattan known as Ibn Al-Khazzaz, from Muhammad bin Ziyad, from Abi Abdillah Al Khorasani, from Abil Husain Abdillah bin Hasan al Zohari, from Abi Hassaan Sa'eed bin Jinnah, from Mas'oud/Mas'adah bin Sadaqah from Abi baseer)

There are a lot more narrations that support this idea of 313 initial companions for the Imam (a.s) to rise with who will be commanders as such and help establish peace all over the earth. If you are interested in further reading, there are many good books on Imam Mahdi (a.s) that discuss such matters or online resources can be found here: http://www.shiachat....esource-thread/

Wa Salaam

Thank you Sister! I will look at that thread. I heard in a lecture that there will be around 7000 people and 313 will be the leaders.

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I have question about this also. So there will be 313 or around 7000 people in Imam(A.S.)'s army, what about the rest of the shia ? Will they all get killed or they will join Dajjal?

The 313 will be generals.

Please listen more in Sayed Ammar Nakshawanis lecture about Dajjal

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Thanks for the books!

But, my question was, that: What should I do RIGHT NOW, if Al-Hujjah arise? Should I buy a ticket to visit him, see him at television?

What?

You must buy ticket to reach Him

(salam)

You may find this interesting... or rather, Inspiring. :)

Imam Zayn al-‘Abidin (‘a) said: “Those who will disappear from their locations in order to assist Imam al-Qa’im (‘atfs) are three hundred and thirteen—equal to that of Badr—who will gather together in Mecca in the morning of the following day.”

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Tabataba’i then reports from the Tafsir Qummi that it is written: “My father reported a tradition to me from ibn Abi ‘Umayr, who reported it from Mansur ibn Younus, who reported it from Abi Khalid Kabuli that Imam Abi Ja’far said: ‘ I swear by God! It is as if I am right now seeing the al-Qa’im who is leaning against the Hajar (al-Hajar al-Aswad = the black stone) and is inviting people in the name of God to maintain his Right, and then he is saying: ‘O people, whoever talks with me about God, I know the best about Him. O people, whoever talks to me about Adam, I know the best about him and I am the closest to him. O people, whoever talks to me about Nuh (Noah), I know more than anyone the best about him. O people, whoever talks to me about Ibrahim (Abraham), I am closer to Ibrahim than anyone else is. O people, whoever talks to me about Musa (Moses), I know the best about him. O people, whoever talks to me about ‘Isa (Jesus), I am closer to ‘Isa than anyone else is. O people, whoever talks to me about Muhammad, I am closer to Muhammad than anyone else is and I know him the best. O people, whoever talks to me about the Book of God, I am closer to the Book of God than anyone else.’ At that moment, he will get closer to the Maqam Ibrahim (sanctuary of Abraham) and will perform two-rak’a prayers and will swear by God as to his truthfulness.’ Imam Abi Ja’far then said: ‘By God, he is the one in distress in the Qur’an 27: 62; Or, Who listens to the (soul) distressed when it calls on Him, and Who relieves its suffering, and makes you (mankind) inheritors of the earth? (Can there be another) god besides Allah? Little it is that ye heed![ وَلِكُلٍّ وِجْهَةٌ هُوَ مُوَلِّيهَا فَاسْتَبِقُواْ الْخَيْرَاتِ أَيْنَ مَا تَكُونُواْ يَأْتِ بِكُمُ اللّهُ جَمِيعًا إِنَّ اللّهَ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ] The first one to pledge allegiance to him will be Gabriel and then three hundred and thirteen people; among them, some will do their best to find their way to him and will finally be successful, and those who will not be able to reach him in this way will disappear from their beds... and this is also the meaning of the Qur’an 2: 148; To each is a goal to which Allah turns him; then strive together (as in a race) towards all that is good. Wheresoever ye are, Allah will bring you together. For Allah hath power over all things. [1]’ The Imam continues: ‘The meaning of good deeds (al-khayrat) is the Love for the Ahl al-Bayt (Wilaya) and also in the verse ‘If We delay the penalty for them for a definite term, they are sure to say, "What keeps it back?" Ah! On the day it (actually) reaches them, nothing will turn it away from them, and they will be completely encircled by that which they used to mock at!’ [8:11], the meaning of ‘ummatin ma’dudah’ refers to the Companions of the al-Qa’im (Mahdi) who will gather together in one place within an hour. When the al-Qa’im reaches the land of Bayda, the army of Sufyani will stand in rank in front of him, and then God will order the earth to swallow up their feet and absorb them.”

(wasalam)

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AOA

your first and foremost duty is to reach him and join his army by any means and even if you have to crawl over your chest...may Allah JOIN US IN HIS ARMY>>>AMEEN

You must buy ticket to reach Him

(salam)

I agree with you - but how will Millions of people do that?? for example, if even 10% Iranians were to go meet the Imam (atf), that's already 7 million people... now add in every other country, even 1-10% of the total will be millions of people buying tickets o__O !

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if you would like to know what to do when the Imam arises, then you must do the first part and that is do what you are supposed to be doing before he arrives, if you do this correctly then you will know exactly what to do when the Imam arrives.

The reason you dont know is because you are not doing/have not done what you need to do before he arrives.

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if you would like to know what to do when the Imam arises, then you must do the first part and that is do what you are supposed to be doing before he arrives, if you do this correctly then you will know exactly what to do when the Imam arrives.

The reason you dont know is because you are not doing/have not done what you need to do before he arrives.

And what would that be exactly?

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"He is successful who purifies it" Quran

"be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi

The people in the west who are free to practice what they want, unfortunately have instead took to oppressing their souls with love of this world, and pleasures and desires

While in the east the people are not free to practice what hey want, they are oppressed and they are experiencing ostentation and unjust persecution

So the key to this puzzle is that the free people in the west first free their souls to become free from the souls chains, which then would give rise for the freed souls to gather and fight together to help those oppressed and persecuted in the world by unjust rulers become free to practice what they like, so that they in turn can then be free to free their own souls to reach Heaven

this is the forumlae for world freedom, there is a free people who are free to roam the world but are unfortunately captives of their own desires, and there are a people who are captives of external unjust tyrants who stop them from practicing what they desire and in Islam "la ikrahe fid'din" there is no compulsion in religion, so they must be freed first externally before they can be tested internally for true freedom

so in order for Mahdi to do what Mahdi is supposed to do, then there must arise those who are already free partially(externally) to become completely free(internally), and unchain those who are externally oppressed and suppressed by tyrants, so that they can be given an opportunity to practice freeing their own souls from desires and whims, and reach ultimate and true freedom (he is successful who purifies it)

the Madi(ajtf) is a free soul, but he is only one, and he requires other free souls to come and free the bodies whose souls need to enter a battle for their true freedom

remember our end goal in this life is to purify ourselves from all but God, and that is the ultimate and end test for all people whether muslims or atheists, they are constantly tested in free choice whether they want to achieve this or not, so in order for all people to have this opportunity then the world must be free from all external influence and control to take away their freedom to decide for internal freedom and soul wayfaring

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You're basically saying that there aren't 313 Muslim individuals in the world who are "free." Such a joke.

i didnt say that at all, i dont know whether there is 313 people who are free, but clearly the time does not correspond with the moment when God will release him, however understand this and the point of my message

the Imam is the final blow and the cherry on top of the cake, up until that moment there is much effort already being laid, for example Imam Khomeini was a free man, and look just what one person achieved in Iran, and look how much his effort has sent waves of shock through the world which have even surpassed his life

this final war i believe is not like the other wars, it is not about one huge army verses another huge army, it is one man against the time and against the focus he puts on the front which he is facing, this is a timeless and space less battle, yes there will be the final manifestation where one huge army meets another, but this will not be the one and only occasion, and it will as it has been happening , over time, slowly chipping and destroying and changing and inspiring, almost each individual is fighting this war but some dont even know it

the efforts and the change is occurring the individual people who are setting themselves free are having a huge impact on the world, and it takes time for the change to occur, but we have already passed the turning point, and know this, that thing are going up and looking good,

also bear in mind that this war is not a physical war, there is many borders and fronts which are involved and these borders involve and spread from the psychical plain to the spiritual plane, many wars are being fought, and many leaders are leading the wars in many different planes, int he spiritual plane people are waking up and abstaining from evil, they are adhering to religion, they are getting more holier, while on the physical plane the oppressed are being freed, and the people are fighting until they give up their blood, on the literal plane, people are writing books inspiring minds to be free, on the media plane people are sharing truth and opening eyes , every one of them soldiers from the same army but on different fronts, changing the world , they fight against one perception, but they effect every one and every part of the world

the soldiers of the Imam are not hibernating, they are already active, they have set and destroyed so many of the enemies plot, the enemy cannot even do that what they desire anymore , they are stuck and all their actions only tighten the grip of the effects

just because there is not an instant transformation doesnt mean things are not happening, Iran is powerful int the region thanks to the one mans actions Khomeinih, and also Saddam has been toppled, other dictators have been toppled, people are awake, yes there is still blood being spilled, but that is in accordance with God's plan, when it is time for you to die it is time, whether your death is a humiliation or a honor is up to God, but had there been peace or oppression the time of individuals deaths takes place nevertheless as the Quran states in that verse

the Imam and he Imams have been writing the strategy for this war for years and years, and Imam husayn showed this war in practice at Kerbala, all the strategy was deeply rooted with the faith and belief of Islam it is just a matter of time before this plan already in motion reaches the final moments of victory

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but we have already passed the turning point, and know this, that thing are going up and looking good

Everything is on a positive upward curve? Great. Looks like the Mehdi won't ever be retuning, then. The world has to be on a spiralling downward trend if He is to return. Forgot?

also bear in mind that this war is not a physical war, there is many borders and fronts which are involved and these borders involve and spread from the psychical plain to the spiritual plane, many wars are being fought, and many leaders are leading the wars in many different planes, int he spiritual plane people are waking up and abstaining from evil, they are adhering to religion, they are getting more holier, while on the physical plane the oppressed are being freed, and the people are fighting until they give up their blood, on the literal plane, people are writing books inspiring minds to be free, on the media plane people are sharing truth and opening eyes , every one of them soldiers from the same army but on different fronts, changing the world , they fight against one perception, but they effect every one and every part of the world

the soldiers of the Imam are not hibernating, they are already active, they have set and destroyed so many of the enemies plot, the enemy cannot even do that what they desire anymore , they are stuck and all their actions only tighten the grip of the effects

I see. And these freedom fighters, in all their varieties, spread across the globe, constitute less than 313 individuals? You honestly expect me to believe that? How can any rational person take you seriously when you spout so much codswallop?

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Everything is on a positive upward curve? Great. Looks like the Mehdi won't ever be retuning, then. The world has to be on a spiralling downward trend if He is to return. Forgot?

I see. And these freedom fighters, in all their varieties, spread across the globe, constitute less than 313 individuals? You honestly expect me to believe that? How can any rational person take you seriously when you spout so much codswallop?

to be quiet honest i just answered your question, i am not trying to make you believe anything, belief is between man and God and i or anyone else cannot convince you otherwise, im simply answering your questions, i do not wish you evil, nor do i wish you good, i do not wish you to be my brother nor do i wish you to be my enemy, i do not need you, nor does God need you, nor does God need me, nor does the Imam need me, all that God wants to achieve God can achieve without anyone, however i need God and i need the Imam and that is all i pursue, you are still my brother as we are the children of adam, but even that fact doesnt matter, if you are interested to know how i think i will tell you, but what you believe and what i believe is to our own peril or gain or loss, it really affects nobody, my behaviour towardds you is simply me taking a glass of water from my well and serving you with what i have, i am not affected by you in that my emotions race at your words, im am simply being me

these are all titles and states of mind, and i am not trying to make you believe anything, , but if you sincerely view the efforts of people like Imam Khomeinih as individual and lone and to no purpose, well i guess we will leave it at that, however i am viewing their mean and their end, and their mean and beginning and end has sent the world in a spiral even after his death, even Lebanon and Palestine and all the world muslim or not ,knows his name and has felt his efforts, which from the main source are effects of the Imam via the training the Imams had through their teachings on this man via his Islamic learning and understanding and reading about the Imams and their lessons reaching him, especially Imam Husayn(a.s), Islamic leaders are spiritual leaders and scholars and their foundations are islamic principals and imams wisdom, that is where the outcome comes from

the whole middle east and west has been affected by imam khomeinih, but that is because it is on a physical front it is so visible, its the ones that fight on different planes you do not see that also still affect you, even now as we speak these words are changing you in some way, they are affecting your ideas and understanding, however i am not trying to make any effect, i do not need to my purpose is to purify my soul and God can do with me as god pleases, i am not trying to change the state of mind of another person because only another can change his own mind and it is to his gain or loss, i answer for my actions and beliefs to God, not for anybody elses, and you answer to God for your own action i wish you good luck in that, but its impossible not to be affected when you read my words

as god says 'Do you wish to guide the one whom we have sent astray?"

and i am not saying you have been sent astray i am only saying with this statement from the Quran it is God who guides and it is God who sends astray, so i do not need to pretend or waste my effort in doing that which is in the hands of God , i can pray for you if you like? thats the most i can do

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but its impossible not to be affected

I'm not affected.

I'll tell you why.

Because you can't answer my questions.

I wasn't asking to be convinced.

Your long posts are tedious and lack substance.

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