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Overseas Pakistanis Next Step

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Having Canadian and American passports give us a unique advantage. We are allowed to travel to any country in the Middle East or Europe.

Most of our opponents often travel to Dubai, in fact Balochistan Governor was in Dubai this whole time and is only returning because he was forcefully called back.

This man is responsible for these LeJ attacks.

Shias in America need to travel to Dubai and set up a intelligence base. We need to collect intelligence on the travels of such individuals. What hotels they are staying in, how many guards, were they are speaking, who they are meeting.

Then we can have our justice.

Shias overseas are the only ones able to act, we have to do these things, we need to take these steps. No government will be saving us.

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It seem like when people were doing dharna in Karachi this SSP vultures were planning another huge attack on Shias which happened on Thursday

I guess no govt is corrupted like Pakistan today the govt fools millions of its citizens and you People seem to be helpless, no option is left except waging a war.

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This is a pertinent issue. More and more people, even those who initially supported non-violent means, are inclined to the idea of forming a Shia armed force to defend and retaliate against continuous killings.

Let's look at two main resources that would make it possible. 1) Fighters 2) arms and finances.

With the exception of certain Shia-dominated population pockets, such as Hazaras in Quetta and Turis in FATA and a few modern Shia-dominated neighbourhoods in Karachi, all Pakistani Shias are spread across the country and live in mixed neighbourhoods. A blind guess would put this population at 90%+ unless we have real figures which we don't.

Although Shias are attacked around the country, the threats to and attacks on Shia-dominated pockets is far higher than the rest of the Shia spread across the country. Men for an armed force would only come from those Shia-dominated neighbourhoods whose territory and special identity are under constant threat/fear. Other Shias do not have any imminent and tangible threat to their lives and they prefer to remain low-key and continue with their lives which are already made hard by the general socioeconomic environment. It's basic survival.

So, in the end, harnessing a formidable force of Shia youth up and willing to fight is extremely hard.

Forming of an armed force would have been made easy if Shias were heavily concentrated in one part of the country as it is in the case of Lebanon. In that case Shia community as a whole would be stakeholder, and up and ready to defend their turf and identity.

Now, comes the issue of arms and finances. Let's take a look at our enemies to gauge our weakness.

The groups we are up against are in business since the start of the Soviet-Afghan war. They are firmly rooted in the art of jihadist-terrorist ideology and activities, have extensive underground networks in place to procure sophisticated weaponry, have filthy-rich bankrollers in Wahhabi Middle Eastern elite, and what more, they have historically been trained and supported by no less than Pakistani military establishment itself (although for purposes other than in-country killings).

Now compare a new, nebulous Shia force to those groups. I discussed the problem with procuring fighters. Where will the weapons and finances come from? To effectively fight Wahhabi menace, the Shias of Pakistan need state-level support to gain weapons and finances and a network that can sustain these activities.

Who else but Iran can do this? Will they step in?

India? If India offered support, as I and OP once discussed, the military will liquidate the new Shia force with immediate brutality and the whole Shia community will be dubbed traitors en masse. That's a recipe for disaster.

A shia armed force will be taken down in the absence of state-level support just like SeM in the '90s was taken down. It was based on a few passionate youth most of whom had lost relatives. They did give Wahhabis a taste of their own medicine but it was short lived and, in the long run, ineffective.

If there is going to be a civil war, let's make a real one rather than a one-sided fiasco.

So what we do now? How do we get rid of the Frankenstein's Monster?

Edited by Marbles

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Formation of a central force will not only be difficult but also much more dangerous, not to mention it will more susceptible to state action. Different splinter groups, operating in different cities, can pose a much greater threat to the terrorist organisations.

We cannot operate like Sipah e Sahaba. Our groups will not aim to create discord and spread hatred. We shall simply retaliate and do whatever that is necessary to stay alive and stay put.

Concerning recruits, I don't think gathering youngsters for such groups will be any more difficult than it was in the 90s. More families have lost their loved ones, more blood has been spilled, and the situation is more serious than ever. Perhaps, the youngsters this time around will be less hesitant in taking part, having already seen their elders being killed.

Arms and finances will be much difficult to procure, as Marbles has already pointed out. Though with such weak state machinery the task is not impossible.

InshAllah we will reply.

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The enemy (US/Zionist) wants to clear Pakistan from every sect except Wahabi / Salafi / Takrifies, so that they can utilize the land to prepare a takrifi army against Iran; their ultimate goal. And to achieve this goal, they are trying their best to create sectarian violence. Any branded repel from Shia Forces to SSP / LeJ will lead to sectarian violence which will eventually serve the purpose of US/Zionist.

That is one of the reason why Ulemas are not calling for armed repel. They are trying their best to stop the violence via Govt / Army in order to avoid any notion of sectarian violence.

If you see, the same approach is happening in Iraq. In Saddam days it was only one sided. Not even US puppet Al Qaeda was operational in Saddam rule. Therefore, they did the big job by booting Saddam and now powering their puppets against Shias.

US/Zionist motive is to:

1: Create a standard benchmark that Sunni-Shias are enemies of each other

2: Arm / Fund Sunni extremist to clear Shia from the region except Iran

3: Utilize the regional land to further empower Sunni Extremist by training and more hatred against Shias (Iran)

4: Send these insurgents into Iran via regional countries borders (the way they are doing with Syria)

Note: Regional land includes Pakistan / Iraq / Afghanistan, all of which has borders with Iran

They want world sympathy that Shia's are infidels and that Sunni Extremist are innocents. Once they got this sympathy, then it will be far easier for them to handle their own people and attack / fight Iran under the same pretext of Sunni-Shia sectarian violence.

Edited by marzooq

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The enemy (US/Zionist) wants to clear Pakistan from every sect except Wahabi / Salafi / Takrifies, so that they can utilize the land to prepare a takrifi army against Iran; their ultimate goal. And to achieve this goal, they are trying their best to create sectarian violence. Any branded repel from Shia Forces to SSP / LeJ will lead to sectarian violence which will eventually serve the purpose of US/Zionist.

That is one of the reason why Ulemas are not calling for armed repel. They are trying their best to stop the violence via Govt / Army in order to avoid any notion of sectarian violence.

If you see, the same approach is happening in Iraq. In Saddam days it was only one sided. Not even US puppet Al Qaeda was operational in Saddam rule. Therefore, they did the big job by booting Saddam and now powering their puppets against Shias.

US/Zionist motive is to:

1: Create a standard benchmark that Sunni-Shias are enemies of each other

2: Arm / Fund Sunni extremist to clear Shia from the region except Iran

3: Utilize the regional land to further empower Sunni Extremist by training and more hatred against Shias (Iran)

4: Send these insurgents into Iran via regional countries borders (the way they are doing with Syria)

Note: Regional land includes Pakistan / Iraq / Afghanistan, all of which has borders with Iran

They want world sympathy that Shia's are infidels and that Sunni Extremist are innocents. Once they got this sympathy, then it will be far easier for them to handle their own people and attack / fight Iran under the same pretext of Sunni-Shia sectarian violence.

Aww I knew America was behind all this :rolleyes:

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@Marbles

What you are describing is Internal. Taking place in Pakistan with native pakistanis.

What i was proposing is External, targeting the big dogs in foreign countries, with the use of foreign Pakistani nationals. Targeting the money trail and every aspect of the organization. With Pakistanis holding secure passports.

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Shias in Pakistan can repel these wahabbis even if they are divided. There is only one problem and that is security of their families and children. Turi have already formed a force called Mehdi militia and they are achieving their goal very effectively. This force can not grow large until they have enough money and equipments.

We only need wealthy shia people who can donate. Rest is as easy as eating ice cream.

Wahabbis don't have that much morale like we have. They kill our one man, in turn we kill their 20 in face to face fight. If you guys don't believe me ask any Turi about their fight with Taliban.

Give them resources and you will see what Shias can do to these Wahhabis.

Edited by Peace lover

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