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Is Islam Relevant For Men In This Century?

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To make my self clear, is islam relevant in terms of sexual ethics?

I ask this question because of the following:

Society has changed. We can not run away from this fact. For those living in western countries, women are starting to get into education and normally have kids much later after graduating or settling in their respective jobs.

Less and less people are getting married before going into university, and for those undertaking five or six year degree's, you're going to be out of there around 23/25.

From the age of about 13-25, a mans hormone level are at their peak. It starts to diminish when you age past a certain zone.

With the advent of the internet, the pornofied media, women everywhere, and the fact that almost everyone masturbates (in the west) and medical doctors have carried out scientific trails to show it brings no medical harm whatsoever, how is a man meant to seriously not performany sexual acts for this time?

I was browsing through this forum and apparently islam allows sex with slave girls without the need to even marry them? Let's ignore raping them, but really?

Men can't masturbate to remove natural sexual desires which boil in them, but other men are allowed to rape bought slave girls?

Take into account everything i have posted so far and i think for the vast majority of men, marrige is difficult. Before anyone suggests ways to kill sexual desire - it is not feasible and is unhealthy. Allah swt has created sexual desires in us and has made hormones build up. Constantly thinking of sex and constantly having cold showers and constantly trying to avoid these thoughts does not help ultimately.

Mutah is pretty much non-existent here in the west. Shia women think it is disgusting, and no shia dad would let their daughter take part in it.

The times have changed.

In the ahle sunnah, masturbation is allowed by many scholars if a man can not get married. In the Shia school, apparently it is allowed for captive slaves in jail?

People who masturbate are not evil. It is natural sexual desire. It helps kill of bad thoughts. Instead of having so many thoughts in you, it kills off these hormones and lets you get on with life.

IS there an ayatullah that allows it?

(this is not a thread on masturbation. This is a thread on changing times, the difficulties of marrige (yeah thanks for the dua...) , and no practical solution.

I really am giving you guys a real snapshot.

edit: To end with. A marrige is not to get a woman to be your personal 'sexual toy'. It's to marry someone you share life views with and to grow old with them, help each other aspire to your dreams in life.

Marrying because of sexual urgues is pretty silly.

edit: I realise sexual ethics are needed. I myself find some sexual western ethics today as disgusting. However, in light of the difficulties of marrige, the changing society, surely masturbation should be halal.

Sunni's allow it.

Edited by Rational Thinking

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With the advent of the internet, the pornofied media, women everywhere, and the fact that almost everyone masturbates (in the west) and medical doctors have carried out scientific trails to show it brings no medical harm whatsoever, how is a man meant to seriously not performany sexual acts for this time?

It is not just the West, people all around the world masturbate and watch lots of porn. Even in Muslim countries; in fact, they seem to have really high rates as per statistics which a simple Google could give you.

Also masterbation is not allowed in Sunni Islam, only the Malaki Madhab enables it with some conditions I believe.

Oh and having sex with slaves (which is impossible in today's age) is not as easy as it sounds since we cant force ourselves on them, and cant damage them physically or emotionally.

But I think it makes sense a bit since Arabs in the GCC are known for having sex with their Filipino maids, I wonder how legal that is Islamically. :donno:

Edited by GreyMatter

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It is not just the West, people all around the world masturbate and watch lots of porn. Even in Muslim countries; in fact, they seem to have really high rates as per statistics which a simple Google could give you.

Also masterbation is not allowed in Sunni Islam, only the Malaki Madhab enables it with some conditions I believe.

Oh and having sex with slaves (which is impossible in today's age) is not as easy as it sounds since we cant force ourselves on them, and cant damage them physically or emotionally.

But I think it makes sense a bit since Arabs in the GCC are known for having sex with their Filipino maids, I wonder how legal that is Islamically. :donno:

Porn rates in pakistan are pretty high. Sunni islam does allow masturbation if the man can not get married.

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Its as relevant as it can get. In fact it is much easier to be a Muslim nowadays even here in America! Look at the converts. Sunni or Shia they wear their Islamic attire and rings proudly.

By the way dude, you have some serious issue with sex and masturbation and etc in Islam. It is nothing new, it is teaching of previous faiths as well. In fact Islam is the easier one out of all of them. That is why it allows Nikah, spritual marriages, Muta, sigha, whatever you want to call it.

Edited by faithfuls.org

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Seems Shias do not masturbate, even if doesnt Allow, isnt it, No part will allow that, because which part allows has to be blocked coz, Quran says hadees says, Even bukhari i guess, saving whats between tounge and legs is important...Do not you get any other place to spread hatred, or cannott you go and tell the sunnis by yourselves, stop masturbating....

Did not your parents teach you good sales and maybe your teachers...you just on 52 posts and you started yapping like a ...

Take some good knowledge first, increase your wisdom and think about the hatred if you get sense....

Thanks.

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Who needs masturbation when you have mutah? And you can't use the modernity argument since non muslims sleep around non stop before getting married.

why do you need mutah too, when you cannot save whats between legs without a Mutah...Shame...

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It is halal? I think even the word itself means pleasure no?

Do you seriously get married in the end, Or Its a lifetime recharge???

or something like live in???

or live in with fathers permission???

So Just Clear me one line,..Does Mutah involve sexual relations like SEX, Insertion...Only this will give me and clear my doubts ...Just this???

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Do you seriously get married in the end, Or Its a lifetime recharge???

or something like live in???

or live in with fathers permission???

So Just Clear me one line,..Does Mutah involve sexual relations like SEX, Insertion...Only this will give me and clear my doubts ...Just this???

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Um it depends on the individual, you can get permanently married if you wish. The point is that Islam gives you the freedom to do these things as you see fit, whatever works for you.

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You are oh so wrong about masturbation being healthy. Do yourself a favor. Check out the testimonials on Yourbrainonporn.com. And see how people's entire lives changed after giving up masturbation and pornography.

It is not healthy. It is incredibly destructive to the male physce. It decreases motivation, creativity, testosterone etc etc. And no masturbation does not kill off bad thoughts. Masturbation only offers a gateway to increased sexual desire. Google "chaser effect." You want to know what kills of desires? Prayer, reciting Qur'an. You have the necessary ingredients to fight off these urges. Take advantage of them.

Here's a radical thought for ya. The reason you can't engage in a mutah contract is precisely because you masturbate since excessive masturbation kills your drive, your confidence, your "vibe" toward women. Negative/Positive energy does exist, and by masturbating, you end up giving negative energy, which in turn women obviously do not respond to. Mutah is not nearly as difficult as some here make it out to be. Just act like a man and stop engaging in self-pleasure. It's so not alpha.

If this culture is overly-sexualized(which it certainly is) then that's a reason for dismantling this cultural norm, it's not an argument for masturbating your desires away. That's ridiculous. You're here to change society, not become a victim of it. Man up, and go out there and make changes.

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Any other King or queen or vizier or even a soldier of mutah will like to reply, whats the punishment or Whats the contract of mutah???Or Will have to make a thread!!!

Wondering My Sister, I give to One, he promises, will do mutah and get married, in the end he has good sex , and moves out!!!What should i do to him now, or I was aquainted that he said its just we trying...

Hope the answer does not bring on the level of Living relationship...

Ok What and how about your sister Mutah king???What do you think ??? ok wid it???

or any comments or judgements???

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And if the individual, does mutah, haves sex and leaves the girl, but the girl wants to get married, and the boy is not ready to the???

then???What islam says for this condition???

I mean Shia fiqh of Mutah..Sorry not Islam, forgot to use the marketing brand name, like Sunni Shia Salafi Wahabi

i knw bro, to sell products lots of features are enabled after registration, even if they are wrong..to get retention.please answer what does shia fiqh do in such a condition???

He can leave her, just like a man can divorce his wife in a permanent marriage... The girl should do her best to know what she is getting into though.

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You are oh so wrong about masturbation being healthy. Do yourself a favor. Check out the testimonials on Yourbrainonporn.com. And see how people's entire lives changed after giving up masturbation and pornography.

It is not healthy. It is incredibly destructive to the male physce. It decreases motivation, creativity, testosterone etc etc. And no masturbation does not kill off bad thoughts. Masturbation only offers a gateway to increased sexual desire. Google "chaser effect." You want to know what kills of desires? Prayer, reciting Qur'an. You have the necessary ingredients to fight off these urges. Take advantage of them.

Here's a radical thought for ya. The reason you can't engage in a mutah contract is precisely because you masturbate since excessive masturbation kills your drive, your confidence, your "vibe" toward women. Negative/Positive energy does exist, and by masturbating, you end up giving negative energy, which in turn women obviously do not respond to. Mutah is not nearly as difficult as some here make it out to be. Just act like a man and stop engaging in self-pleasure. It's so not alpha.

If this culture is overly-sexualized(which it certainly is) then that's a reason for dismantling this cultural norm, it's not an argument for masturbating your desires away. That's ridiculous. You're here to change society, not become a victim of it. Man up, and go out there and make changes.

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(salam)

OP :

Thank you for posting this. I'm not saying this because I agree with your post, but because it was meaningful and It taught me how difficult it must be .

Allah help you Inshallah.

The Akhira must always come first. Dunya is not a priority , therefore, marriage should be a bit more important than finishing a secular degree around the age of 22 . You can do both (marriage and studies) at the same time .

Edited by -Enlightened

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(salam)

OP :

Thank you for posting this. I'm not saying this because I agree with your post, but because it was meaningful and It taught me how difficult it must be .

Allah help you Inshallah.

The Akhira must always come first. Dunya is not a priority , therefore, marriage should be a bit more important than finishing a secular degree around the age of 22 . You can do both (marriage and studies) at the same time .

salam sister.

thank you.

The problem is i have to do this degree. or i will not get a job. it' as simple as that. it's my passion.

i can't get married. that's impossible right now. i'll be going far at uni where no-one else will be.

so it's impractical.

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salam sister.

thank you.

The problem is i have to do this degree. or i will not get a job. it' as simple as that. it's my passion.

i can't get married. that's impossible right now. i'll be going far at uni where no-one else will be.

so it's impractical.

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(salam)

OP :

Thank you for posting this. I'm not saying this because I agree with your post, but because it was meaningful and It taught me how difficult it must be .

Allah help you Inshallah.

The Akhira must always come first. Dunya is not a priority , therefore, marriage should be a bit more important than finishing a secular degree around the age of 22 . You can do both (marriage and studies) at the same time .

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(salam)

Yes i understand this.

I have an older brother and it's pretty much the same situation .

Get that degree and at the same time, start considering someone for marriage . Show your girl how strong you are and that you can handle both : Dunya AND akhira at the same time (Degree and marriage) .

Inshallah for this, you'll be in my dua's . As well as all the other people

I read a bit of your first main post . It is true that some doctors found no harm effects in masturbation , However another group of doctors have found that it damages the brain and reduces memory . It kills cells that can not be replaced and it brings a lot o side effects such as depression. The first group of doctors who claim that masturbation is not harmful care about their money. They know that if they try to find out the negative side effects of masturbation, they will lose a lot of money. First, it doesn't respond to their clients desire who wish to masturbate and to continue (so their clients will be angry). Secondly, they will win even more money for prescribing pills that cure the negative symptoms of masturbation ,such as loss of memory and depression . It's a money job for not telling the truth, so don't take scientific people accurately, they care about their selfish needs, while our Imam's care about our own well-being .

That's how I see it .

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There are plenty of options until the brother finishes his study (in 2-3 years)

One of the options could include the living at home with the parents .. There is nothing wrong with it, as long as the brother if fulfilling his obligations towards Allah .. and after the degree , he can live with his wife.

Edited by Rational Thinking

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Oh by the way guys, I really hate the fact that you are bashing him and accusing him of being 'logical Islam'

Regardless of who he is, we are all humans , most of us are the followers of Prophet Mohamed.. we should be the most respectful human beings on earth we all need help sometimes.

Why do we judge someone who is in need of help, based on who he is ,instead of what he is asking .

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There are plenty of options until the brother finishes his study (in 2-3 years)

One of the options could include the living at home with the parents .. There is nothing wrong with it, as long as the brother if fulfilling his obligations towards Allah .. and after the degree , he can live with his wife.

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Oh by the way guys, I really hate the fact that you are bashing him and accusing him of being 'logical Islam'

He his logical islam :no:

Check out his previous threads.

sister, please remain respectful .

I dont watch TV by the way .

Then quit making holier than thou posts at me.

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