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Culture Divide Of Shia Muslims

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It's very unfortunate, when the Shia Muslim community grows we tend to have such divisions on trivial issues and can't work together anymore for some reason. In other places, I especially like the SABA center in the bay area for this, there are fewer people from each culture and they're able to focus on the common ground and generally be respectful and come to agreements with the other Shia Muslims.

It's not a Shia Islam-specific problem, this is natural and seen in other places too but it's still unfortunate that it exists within us.

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Thank you Gypsy for sharing that post with me!

I am encouraged by seeing others experiencing the same problems. Simply knowing that I am not alone, makes me believe I am not crazy in how I feel. I definitely needed that. Shi'ism is definitely not an attractive concept around me. Personally, I see the Youth in Mosques pretending to be Muslims than anything else. In a certain way, everyone has given up a bit...

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I m not against the fact majlis , Mosques have ethnic cultural styles because the difference is richness ...but to be rooted in his culture not oblige to disregard others. It's just a personal struggle, an state of spirituality. I mean people who have a strong faith and Knowledge can be rooted in their culture and not disregard others. But like usually few people are awake ...

Maybe is nice to organise more meeting commun with different ethnics Shias.

"African American converts often complain that having converted to Shi’ism, they are discriminated against by Sunnis and fellow Shi’is alike" Im French White and i can said same thing plus the family, schools environnement, professionals discriminations. where the sunnis or organized ethnic shias found manners for fights for their rights the convert like me feel not the fraternity and so the Islamophobic people can feel or know that you are not connected with strong community and so start to target you with a sentiment of impunity! ...

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I feel like some of what wsa said is a bit of an exaggeration. The fundemental reason behind the different masaajid is the language, not when chai is served. That's what it comes down to, the rest is all superfulous. In regards to the lebanese/iraqi divide, I think its a marja thing where most lebanese are along Fadlullah lines where as most iraqis are along Shirazi-ish lines. I think this problem is going to be resolved with time because eventually all the lectures are gonna be in English and youth don't care about ethnicity. Give it another 30 years and you'll see.

That being said a lot of what was said still resonates with me on a deep level.

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So truee.. i just scanned through. Ive nvr been out of my area. But in other communities especially in arab comminty its crazy bad.. IF a non arab wallks in.. its like a jew among hitlers. (experiences of other non arabs) This type of attitude clearly calls for fight. IF ppl dont give respect. beat them up until they respect u. SImple fine solution. :)

theres a book called 'shiasiim in america' ??

i find that a little odd..... :donno:

anyone can write it.. just go around take notes, ask ppl, observe the envirn., etc. and u can write ur own book. once book is well written go to a khoja person.. They will promote ur book in the name of shiaislam and for the love of ahlul bayt.. next thing cash cash chek cash cash chek.. money rainin frm sky. hahha

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I live in France and i m interesting for move in canada . do you think is nice idea ? I would like to live more close to a community but i see as well the problems you speak about and i think about create a network of solidarity among the converts like me or people who shares ours interrogations .

Salam alaykom.

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I live in France and i m interesting for move in canada . do you think is nice idea ? I would like to live more close to a community but i see as well the problems you speak about and i think about create a network of solidarity among the converts like me or people who shares ours interrogations .

Salam alaykom.

There is no clear answer to your question. Canada does have a strong multicultural institution and everyone is well respected. Growing up in Canada, I have been able to learn lots from other people's cultures and have been able to formulate my own hybrid culture or "superculture". However, if my post demonstrates anything, is that the cultural division of Shias remains a problem in North America.

It may be of interest to you to investigate communities in our province of Quebec. They dominantly speak French there, which may make the transition easier for you.

Ultimately though, the best community may be this Shiachat community ;)

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Yes this forum is nice even it was more active before.In some extent when i have question about Islam i use Google (because the motor research Shiachat is not very well) and i get the answers with precise "shiachat" after my question .

But for live i prefer to move because the freedom of consciousness is not very well respected in France . Its an very sick situation. The wahabis/salafist are not loved but very much tolerate than the individual who look for personal way of life and thinking who are not in the mainstream.this because the economical/political s interests with Saoudis and Qatar...So the French republic claim to be against the communautarist Anglo-saxon model and want secularize the Muslims like it did for Christians but in other hand if you don't belong to a network or organisation your fundamentals rights about schooling, job and even physical integrity is not garantie;

Plus there are too much corruption in some level the United stated(i m not fan of this organism but sometimes get rights point) point France as an urgent situation about corruption, pedophilia ... not speak about money frauds from our politicians who are re-elected like nothing happen. It s not the case in some others Europeans states like Germany or Scandinavians because when a politicien is catch for money fraud is not eligible for life ...i don't want children s growth in that s kind of environnement ...

For example in this time there are a big story about homosexual marriage. In england those kind of people have rights to marriage, but the others ones who disagree have rights as well . Is just not the case in France who are culturally Stalinist. You can easily get problems in jobs if you are known for to be too much conservative in your standards values, expect if you are the Boss and even ...

For Muslims even the socialist hate all religious thinking , especially the Monotheistic, they try to keep their electorate from immigrant by give benefits . But this make a perfect ground for "clash of civilisation " because the same politicians are very aggressive toward the Christians catholics and in same time pamper the immigrants who are majority from Muslims. even they banned Hijab or others obstacles they put for make the Ismamic way of life difficult in day to day life(no place for prayers in job for example) the immigrant still vote for benefits and others help and advantages in job, homes who they have priority compare to the native French. Anyway feel more Muslims see Islam as an identity cultural referent than a real conviction ...so the rise of Nationalistic party is understandable in some extent because the system make the native against the Muslims and vice versa...unification between Christians values and Islamics can make a move toward structural s reforms of society and it s exactly what the system want avoid .

So this prevent fraternity and unity of religions against the aggressive atheistic secularism in France and corruption : Divide for rule...this satanic strategies can even make fitna between Muslims converts and immigrants Muslims and my personal experience prove it . Because the native white convert are specially hated as an "cultural traitor" as well by the Nationalists but even more by the socialists because in this case you don't have "the cultural excuse" and make "an deviant choice" . That's why i can across an brother Muslim who get a good treat by some school or jobseeker administration and me not. So it s start to make fitna between natives white and immigrant because they don't understand why it is the case at first glance.

The egoism of politicians who live only for to be re-elected whatever it cost to the interest of general public can explain this . But those who like conspiracy theory's can see in it a plot directed by Zionist for provoke a clash in France like in Yugoslavia...in this plot the politicians, the social workers(1) are just "useful idiots" in the Leninist terms...

Or maybe like our famous actor Depardieu i will look after Russia who are too an multicultural Empire and still defend some morals standards values about family, religion and Independence ...

(1) By social worker i don't mean the well know political party in england who are socialistic because if in france the socialists are the front guard against traditional values in an shamefully undemocratic manners, i don't know well this party.

(wasalam)

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Yes, the divide is quite obvious in some ways. An issue I am personally dealing with myself as a revert Muslim (living in the largest Muslim community in America). There seems to be an event, class, lectures, etc.. for every Muslim issue and practice; however, there is nothing that I can see resulting in a set-up for new Muslim's. No counselors, no meet and greet, nothing. The only thing I get from people is what's your story, I mean, that's fine by me, but I see nothing to help teach or guide me. So, I have taken it upon myself to learn Islam, and I've spent countless hours reading over 50 books and watching online lectures from all over the world. That's just to scratch the surface. So, it's not even an issue as far as culture is concerned, it's a Muslim issue for sure!! Since I haven't been welcomed as a new Shi3a Muslim by my community, I am learning from the AhlulBayt (Alayeh Salaam). They are the best of teacher's. Insha'Allah, one day someone will break this divide. Maybe I should volunteer with the local Mosque and offer to be an official Revert Mentor :)

Salam Sister,

The issue you have discussed is one which unfortunately is very prevalent in our society. Reverts are sometimes seen as people who want to be different, sometimes seen with suspicion. For the most part, i believe us born muslims are polite and happy to meet reverts, but probably due to language barriers or cultural differences more than anything, you wouldn't end up in an exhaustively deep and productive conversation with us!

Our mosques certainly aren't know for beginner muslim courses. the ironic thing is, i believe most of us life long muslims can benefit from learning the foundations of our religion from such lessons! You should totally be a revert mentor! That's a fantastic idea. I'm sure than the open minded scholars in dearborn will be very happy to get you involved in any and every way you can contribute

A Dearborn muslim community is like any other muslim community, you gotta make a couple of friends from the inside before you really start to meet everyone. Certainly there will be a few shiachatters who are of Dearborn origin. One member comes to mind: 3laweyaZainabiya

She's iraqi and us iraqis are super cool (...for the most part)

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