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people are so foolish

medicine is not advanced so much as to know the cause of all of the problems and symptoms the human has, but to conclude that its "black magic" is like going by some silly default

Sadly, this unislamic act is pretty widespread amongst a lot of muslims. The atheist immediately ignores Islam because they know that science proves it is a physical cause and exposure or links to that which causes ilness.

400 years ago we could not cure many ilnesses, and no prayer in the world helps. 400 years later with science we can.

So many mental health ilnesses are atrributed to black magic, when infact it's just a cognitive disorder requiring theraphy.

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This simply is not true at all. You can't give 'evil eyes' or use 'spells'. There is no proof whatsoever of any of that. It's a superstituos non islamic belief.

Lol, of course there is, I've got first hand experience that its not superstition. And it exist.

Islam and the Quran mention black magic, they mention idols, and a lot of things too. If a book 'mentions' it, it by no means is indicative of it's validity.

The book mentioning it is the Quran. So it is a binding fact that it exists.

Black Magic is shunned because it is shirk - a little like idol worship. Both are useless, but people ask on others apart from God. They also do the idiotic think of having envy and jealousy, and calling on 'evil' which doesn't exist in the first place, to harm another person.

For you to say its shunned and is shirk, you are agreeing there is such a concept as black magic.

The only person you harm is yourself, and the envy will eat your inside up(metaphorically).

Yes agreed in the long run you loose either in this world or the hereafter.

If 'black magic' exists, God has invented it in the first place. But no such thing exists.

God created shaitan too! Your point is?

The Atheist will automatically reject Islam if any of you spread this lie. You will be held accountable for misleading people.

Lol not true!

I am no scholar, so read what S.sistani says

He is not saying it don't exist! His workers who replied to the question did not diagnose the problem nor there was a fatwa given. It was just an advisory statement.

http://www.sistani.org/index.php?p=616687&id=1138

Question:

My wife fell into a deep coma. She was very healthy, and just carrying some water and then all of a sudden she collapsed while talking. She was rushed to the hospital immediately and it was found that her blood pressure was very low and due to this her brain did not receive oxygen for 2 hours. The doctors are unable to explain how she has fallen ill and I am also a doctor and also I can not explain how this has happened. Is she suffering from some sort of black magic?

Answer:

You must take her to a specialist. Do not engage your mind thinking about black magic or things like that. All things are in Allah's hand.

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salaam

If you are in Pakistan, where are you located? where can I find that spirtual healer. can you contact me through PM or email.

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You are wasting your money.

They are all frauds.

If you for a second think jinns can posses humans (as odd as that even is) then just recite Surah Jinn? Or some other Surah?

"There is no Aid Except from Allah, the Exalted the Wise." [ch3/v126]. HOLY QURAN

This whole black magic fraud business is a real endemic. We as a community need to stop this unislamic stone age practise.

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Here are verse of the Qur'an related to magic:

2:102

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Sahih InternationalAnd they followed [instead] what the devils had recited during the reign of Solomon. It was not Solomon who disbelieved, but the devils disbelieved, teaching people magic and that which was revealed to the two angels at Babylon, Harut and Marut. But the two angels do not teach anyone unless they say, "We are a trial, so do not disbelieve [by practicing magic]." And [yet] they learn from them that by which they cause separation between a man and his wife. But they do not harm anyone through it except by permission of Allah . And the people learn what harms them and does not benefit them. But the Children of Israel certainly knew that whoever purchased the magic would not have in the Hereafter any share. And wretched is that for which they sold themselves, if they only knew.

Shakir

And they followed what the Shaitans chanted of sorcery in the reign of Sulaiman, and Sulaiman was not an unbeliever, but the Shaitans disbelieved, they taught men sorcery and that was sent down to the two angels at Babel, Harut and Marut, yet these two taught no man until they had said, "Surely we are only a trial, therefore do not be a disbeliever." Even then men learned from these two, magic by which they might cause a separation between a man and his wife; and they cannot hurt with it any one except with Allah's permission, and they learned what harmed them and did not profit them, and certainly they know that he who bought it should have no share of good in the hereafter and evil was the price for which they sold their souls; had they but known this.

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ShakirAnd cast down what is in your right hand; it shall devour what they have wrought; they have wrought only the plan of a magician, and the magician shall not be successful wheresoever he may come from.

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You are wasting your money.

They are all frauds.

"There is no Aid Except from Allah, the Exalted the Wise." [ch3/v126]. HOLY QURAN

Then don't go to a doctor when you ill, don't go to a mechanic when your car breaks down, don't go to school for education etc....

Wait for Allah to Aid you!

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Then don't go to a doctor when you ill, don't go to a mechanic when your car breaks down, don't go to school for education etc....

Wait for Allah to Aid you!

The difference is these are all matters related to the spiritual world, where Allah doesn't usually interfere apart from miracles. I think it makes perfect sense to rely on Allah when it comes to supernatural and spiritual matters though.

And they followed what the Shaitans chanted of sorcery in the reign of Sulaiman, and Sulaiman was not an unbeliever, but the Shaitans disbelieved, they taught men sorcery and that was sent down to the two angels at Babel, Harut and Marut, yet these two taught no man until they had said, "Surely we are only a trial, therefore do not be a disbeliever." Even then men learned from these two, magic by which they might cause a separation between a man and his wife; and they cannot hurt with it any one except with Allah's permission, and they learned what harmed them and did not profit them, and certainly they know that he who bought it should have no share of good in the hereafter and evil was the price for which they sold their souls; had they but known this. [Qur'an 20:69, Shakir]

If magic can't harm anyone without Allah's permission, then wouldn't it make sense to ask Allah to protect you from magic, since He decides whether to let it affect you or not?

Anyway, what real evidence does anyone have that these 'spiritual healers' know what they are doing?

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The difference is these are all matters related to the spiritual world, where Allah doesn't usually interfere apart from miracles. I think it makes perfect sense to rely on Allah when it comes to supernatural and spiritual matters though.

And they followed what the Shaitans chanted of sorcery in the reign of Sulaiman, and Sulaiman was not an unbeliever, but the Shaitans disbelieved, they taught men sorcery and that was sent down to the two angels at Babel, Harut and Marut, yet these two taught no man until they had said, "Surely we are only a trial, therefore do not be a disbeliever." Even then men learned from these two, magic by which they might cause a separation between a man and his wife; and they cannot hurt with it any one except with Allah's permission, and they learned what harmed them and did not profit them, and certainly they know that he who bought it should have no share of good in the hereafter and evil was the price for which they sold their souls; had they but known this. [Qur'an 20:69, Shakir]

If magic can't harm anyone without Allah's permission, then wouldn't it make sense to ask Allah to protect you from magic, since He decides whether to let it affect you or not?

Anyway, what real evidence does anyone have that these 'spiritual healers' know what they are doing?

"when truth encounters falsehood, falsehood persihes, for false by it's nature is bound to perish" - Holy Quran

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Here are verse of the Qur'an related to magic:

2:102

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Sahih InternationalAnd they followed [instead] what the devils had recited during the reign of Solomon. It was not Solomon who disbelieved, but the devils disbelieved, teaching people magic and that which was revealed to the two angels at Babylon, Harut and Marut. But the two angels do not teach anyone unless they say, "We are a trial, so do not disbelieve [by practicing magic]." And [yet] they learn from them that by which they cause separation between a man and his wife. But they do not harm anyone through it except by permission of Allah . And the people learn what harms them and does not benefit them. But the Children of Israel certainly knew that whoever purchased the magic would not have in the Hereafter any share. And wretched is that for which they sold themselves, if they only knew.

Shakir

And they followed what the Shaitans chanted of sorcery in the reign of Sulaiman, and Sulaiman was not an unbeliever, but the Shaitans disbelieved, they taught men sorcery and that was sent down to the two angels at Babel, Harut and Marut, yet these two taught no man until they had said, "Surely we are only a trial, therefore do not be a disbeliever." Even then men learned from these two, magic by which they might cause a separation between a man and his wife; and they cannot hurt with it any one except with Allah's permission, and they learned what harmed them and did not profit them, and certainly they know that he who bought it should have no share of good in the hereafter and evil was the price for which they sold their souls; had they but known this.

20:69

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ShakirAnd cast down what is in your right hand; it shall devour what they have wrought; they have wrought only the plan of a magician, and the magician shall not be successful wheresoever he may come from.

Do you not remember the story of Musa? The magicians magic was FAKE. This verse is referring to a SINGULAR test, not an overall reality.

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Sadly, this unislamic act is pretty widespread amongst a lot of muslims. The atheist immediately ignores Islam because they know that science proves it is a physical cause and exposure or links to that which causes ilness.

400 years ago we could not cure many ilnesses, and no prayer in the world helps. 400 years later with science we can.

So many mental health ilnesses are atrributed to black magic, when infact it's just a cognitive disorder requiring theraphy.

You are right to say what you say, but i must stop you there for a second, God can cure people miracelously, of course it doesnt hapen often, it happens in special cases

Another thing people of God have been given the ability to also cure, but its not people like these mentioned above, its people who have conquered their self , so for them when they make a Dua it works like magic, but it is not magic, it is God's work directly

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A while back, I was also hugely sceptical off these aamils and peers, God knows there's an army of fake ones here.

Recently, though, an acquaintance's experience made me reconsider my stance. A young girl, soon after her marriage,

fell badly ill. She lost weight like crazy, most obviously, and was just unwell. Doctors couldn't diagnose th problem. Then she

startd finding pins in her clothes and nightdresses, though the only ones entering her room were she and her husband.

Somehow, they came in contact with a molaana from Sargodha, who said she had had black magic done on her. He gave

some clues about the identity of the person responsible, such as her gender, her initials, and that she walked with a limp.

He then said she was someone to do with the husband's past. Turned out, his ex-girlfriend fit the bill. At the time of his

wedding, she'd made some seemingly weird threats too. The molaana told my acquaintance specific surahs etc to recite, and she started getting well, masha'Allah. Funny thing is, not too long after, her weight loss and health problems were diagnosd as being due to gluten intolerance.

Anyhow, she's well now. Allah alone knows what the whole deal was. I still think most of such stuff is bunkum, but am unsure

about dismissing it all so.

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The difference is these are all matters related to the spiritual world, where Allah doesn't usually interfere apart from miracles. I think it makes perfect sense to rely on Allah when it comes to supernatural and spiritual matters though.

And they followed what the Shaitans chanted of sorcery in the reign of Sulaiman, and Sulaiman was not an unbeliever, but the Shaitans disbelieved, they taught men sorcery and that was sent down to the two angels at Babel, Harut and Marut, yet these two taught no man until they had said, "Surely we are only a trial, therefore do not be a disbeliever." Even then men learned from these two, magic by which they might cause a separation between a man and his wife; and they cannot hurt with it any one except with Allah's permission, and they learned what harmed them and did not profit them, and certainly they know that he who bought it should have no share of good in the hereafter and evil was the price for which they sold their souls; had they but known this. [Qur'an 20:69, Shakir]

If magic can't harm anyone without Allah's permission, then wouldn't it make sense to ask Allah to protect you from magic, since He decides whether to let it affect you or not?

Anyway, what real evidence does anyone have that these 'spiritual healers' know what they are doing?

What you need to understand is these aalims who help ppl with problems related wiv Bm they are no magicians. They pocess knowledge that we don't understand as it is foreign to us. So because its not a mainstream subject we are quick to lable it black magic. The reality is these guys not the "fake pirs" have studied and through Allahs will have the ability to help ppl suffering from supernatural problems.

To a person who does not know to get water you just turn a tap he will call it magic UNTILL he understands the mechanics of the tap, ir sees it used daily by the populus.

Likewise the alims ability wether thru power of dua or reciting ayas or using the unseen realm or taweez, or blowing on water etc... U need to understand the mechanics.

Musa (a.s) turned his staff into a real snake in the quran. To a non believer it's magic.

You talk about real evidence I have seen things burried 400 miles away been brought Infront of me, within a twinkle of my eye. It was that quick.

That's cos the guy had knowledge on how to preform that act. That is only one of many things I've witnessed happening before my eyes. Now to you and majority of the audience you will say magic or can't happen, that's cos u don't understand. It's as simple as that.

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Atheists are close-minded nutjobs who think their science is at a level to explain everything. Same goes for Rijalists, because they sadly lack a sahih hadith at each next step. Who cares. Spiritual healing/manipulation works. There are countless examples. Recently about a month ago this woman I know of, my friend's elder sister, had liver sclerosis and was diagnosed cancer. Her medical tests were 'off the charts' and the complications made me think that it was quite possible that she wouldn't survive. She was in a lot of pain. Then they took her to a 'fraud' spiritual healer of some renown that some 'ignorant' people referred them to, and guess what. Her pain ended. She is now back on her feet. 10 days later the new cancer test reported that there are no malignant cells anymore. Her blood test reports are normal. She is fine since two weeks and I'm looking forward to learn about her liver's condition in a ultrasound report. Your stupid broken god that you call 'science' can not explain it, nor do people care if it does or not. So its no wonder that you wouldn't understand. But there are many thousands of people getting healed and affected by spiritual manipulations and it is independent of your belief in it or a lack thereof. Most scientologists who witness such things call it psychological in nature since they can't abandon their god and must offer an explanation as well.

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