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Will You Ever Consider Being 2Nd, 3Rd Or 4Th Wife?

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* In ghetto voice* Oh no you didnt!

Dude, Im not a selfish, or stupid pro-feminism loud mouth woman. You are really showing your lack of maturity resorting to cheap and nasty tactics. Im beautiful (and modest) and clever, I dont need to share a man

Grow up!

Glad you said it.. InshAllah none of the SC'ers here are.

I totally respect your personal choice, and we all should, but in principal none of us should ever try to win any "brownie points" from any feminist who support going against Quran and Ahlulbayt (as).

There are a million Islamic things that we don't practice, but not practicing them does not mean those things are bad. They are there, they exist, they have their uses, their have their wisdom, and they have their benefits, they are not expired, it's just that we have not come to the situation where we had to practice them, Yet.

Lastly let's all grow up together. This is what Allah (swt) says in Quran when he says "yatloo" as oppose to "qiraa", meaning just don't read this Quran, tilawat it, meaning read it with understanding so you grow or elevate yourself mentally for nearness to Allah (swt).

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Yes if the man can truly do it right (treat each wife fairly and as equal as possible), has a real reason (he can't just be some wannabe player or something lol), and most importantly, the current wife must agree and be someone who I can get along with. So I would take time to get to know the man and woman, and I'd like her to be a mominah who could be a very good sister/friend for me.

I would love to live in the same house!!!(: but I didn't know of that was allowed on Islam? I thought each wife HAD to have their own house?

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Well, its assuming i find a good couple of course lol, plus polygamy isnt scary or bad, or else it wouldnt be halal.

Thanks :P

Im worried about you little sister, some of the things that you say are going to make you a target for undesirables. Do you think your father would approve of some of the things you say online?

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Im worried about you little sister, some of the things that you say are going to make you a target for undesirables. Do you think your father would approve of some of the things you say online?

They're my views, my father wouldnt even approve of me being shia lol plus I'm not allowed to get married until after I finish all my education anyway lol Thanks for the concern though. :)

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Sis, you being a Shia is not relevant, speaking to some of the teenager hormonally charged boys in the way you do is something your father has a right to disapprove, even if he isnt a Shia

Please be careful :)

Um... Brother sami is the one ive been talking to in these posts, and he's as old as my father and is married with kids my age and older lol but i will keep your advice in mind sister Jazaki Allah. Plus, i have no intention of marrying a guy i find from the internet lol kinda sketch

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Sis, you being a Shia is not relevant, speaking to some of the teenager hormonally charged boys in the way you do is something your father has a right to disapprove, even if he isnt a Shia

Please be careful :)

hormonally charged boys :realangery: :realangery: :realangery: :realangery: :realangery:

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Islam did not come into a socioeconomic vacuum. Many things that were maintained and practiced came out of necessity in those times. Islam laid down eternal principles and jurisprudence came to aid those principles in the context of time and place. When reality on the ground changes, some practices become obsolete. It's a matter of logical reasoning, or ijtehad if you prefer.

Jurisprudence is mundane; there's nothing metaphysical about it. We are anyhow talking about a practice that was only permitted as mubah, and may or may not be practiced by the believers for all times to come. Arguing for or against polygamy is not Islamic or unIslamic respectively. It's a socioeconomic argument and I don't think painting it in religious colours is correct. Statements such as "polygamy didn't come with an expiry date" is simplistic, redundant reasoning that informs of ubiquitous literalism Muslims have succumbed to in this age.

When Javed Ahmed Ghamdi, a Sunni scholar at that, said that banning polygamy in Muslim countries would not mean going against Islamic principles, he was subjected to scathing salvos of unwarranted proportions. It was as if he'd said immodest women are responsible for being raped. Oh wait. That's acceptable to many "religious" people but saying that polygamy is socioeconomically outdated is not.!!!

Ya Allah what scoundrel times we live in.

so are you suggesting that the :Shia men leave this outdated irrelevant :Islamic practise of polygamy and perhaps seek the modern version of polygamy of a one wife , 2.3 kids , and a string of lovers, girlfriends and prostitutes on the side?

Which is what most men practise these days , which is perfect for the sex industries as it maximises their bottom line .

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Islam did not come into a socioeconomic vacuum. Many things that were maintained and practiced came out of necessity in those times. Islam laid down eternal principles and jurisprudence came to aid those principles in the context of time and place. When reality on the ground changes, some practices become obsolete. It's a matter of logical reasoning, or ijtehad if you prefer.

Jurisprudence is mundane; there's nothing metaphysical about it. We are anyhow talking about a practice that was only permitted as mubah, and may or may not be practiced by the believers for all times to come. Arguing for or against polygamy is not Islamic or unIslamic respectively. It's a socioeconomic argument and I don't think painting it in religious colours is correct. Statements such as "polygamy didn't come with an expiry date" is simplistic, redundant reasoning that informs of ubiquitous literalism Muslims have succumbed to in this age.

When Javed Ahmed Ghamdi, a Sunni scholar at that, said that banning polygamy in Muslim countries would not mean going against Islamic principles, he was subjected to scathing salvos of unwarranted proportions. It was as if he'd said immodest women are responsible for being raped. Oh wait. That's acceptable to many "religious" people but saying that polygamy is socioeconomically outdated is not.!!!

Ya Allah what scoundrel times we live in.

The same logic can be used to allow fornication/Riba

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Islam did not come into a socioeconomic vacuum. Many things that were maintained and practiced came out of necessity in those times. Islam laid down eternal principles and jurisprudence came to aid those principles in the context of time and place. When reality on the ground changes, some practices become obsolete. It's a matter of logical reasoning, or ijtehad if you prefer.

Jurisprudence is mundane; there's nothing metaphysical about it. We are anyhow talking about a practice that was only permitted as mubah, and may or may not be practiced by the believers for all times to come. Arguing for or against polygamy is not Islamic or unIslamic respectively. It's a socioeconomic argument and I don't think painting it in religious colours is correct. Statements such as "polygamy didn't come with an expiry date" is simplistic, redundant reasoning that informs of ubiquitous literalism Muslims have succumbed to in this age.

When Javed Ahmed Ghamdi, a Sunni scholar at that, said that banning polygamy in Muslim countries would not mean going against Islamic principles, he was subjected to scathing salvos of unwarranted proportions. It was as if he'd said immodest women are responsible for being raped. Oh wait. That's acceptable to many "religious" people but saying that polygamy is socioeconomically outdated is not.!!!

Ya Allah what scoundrel times we live in.

First neither the humanity changed nor all of it's musing. Indeed it's is very simplistic to say certain Islamic injunction is not needed any more. If anything, the human society's complexities have increased many folds, not decreased, hence even more need for Sharia sanctioned solutions such as this and timed marriage.

We are not talking about 'what religious people say' for whatever, we are talking about what 'religion of Allah and his Pophet' says, a big difference.

Ya Allah what scoundrel times we live in indeed.

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I love how some men admit they have zero self control and turn into drooling dogs in the presence of other females.....which gives them no choice but to take tons of other mistresses and impregnate countless other women. I'm so happy I was born female....it must suck to be such a primitive beast as some of you.

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Why those who propagate polygyny left and right have very little to say about male modesty and self-restraint?

Going through old posts on this forum I notice it wasn't a problem until AM40 showed up and turned into some Charles Manson type figure, at the same time throwing that male modesty nonsense out of the window.....with his hoard of puppies running close behind lapping it up.

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I love how some men admit they have zero self control and turn into drooling dogs in the presence of other females.....which gives them no choice but to take tons of other mistresses and impregnate countless other women. I'm so happy I was born female....it must suck to be such a primitive beast as some of you.

We are having a discussion about an islamic law and you are more interested in name calling.............

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Many married women have extra marital affairs. Do you propose polyandry for them? No. Do you suggest they practice self-restraint and stick to their respective husbands? Yes.

Same goes for married men. As I already said, that's where Islamic teachings about practicing self-restraints come handy.

Why those who propagate polygyny left and right have very little to say about male modesty and self-restraint?

Going through old posts on this forum I notice it wasn't a problem until AM40 showed up and turned into some Charles Manson type figure, at the same time throwing that male modesty nonsense out of the window.....with his hoard of puppies running close behind lapping it up.

You can't pick and choose in Islam, if you are more interested in logic/reasoning according your own "discoveries" i am sorry but Atheism is a far better option for you. In Islam you will have to follow the laws set by Allah.

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You know what...this argument you are giving has been thrown out time and time again on this forum....and as usual it is completely irrelevant to what we have said (male modesty). In fact you shot yourself in the foot by pulling up this ancient comeback phrase because you are trying to make us overlook the topic of male modesty, yes, MALE MODESTY which is Islamic.

Like it or not male modesty is also part of Islam but so many of you choose to ignore that......

Now sit back and try to look at some of the things being said from the eyes of others. Do you people not see you are portraying yourselves as little more than animals lacking self control?

Haha and still you are not name calling. wonderful. Who says polygamy is against male modesty? Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) had multiple marriages and many more religious personalities did it. So what are you implying to say?

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I admit its irrelevant and there is no need for polgamy in present age. Even the argument that men has more physical needs etc is lame. But the point is that what islamic law says about it and can we change that law depending upon the changed socio economic changes?

I never once said anything about changing the law of polygamy. It's there and will remain there. The laws of slavery are also there and they will remain there. Laws about both these issues addressed the needs of the society in which Islam first appeared.

Slavery is not only outdated it's non-existent now. Hence the laws governing that institution are obsolete and irrelevant. Polygamy, too, has become an exception rather than the social norm it once was.

It doesn't affect Islamic teachings and laws in any way if those two, and other such things, go out of practice.

Polygamy only exists in those regions which have retained the old way of life. As those societies move toward mass literacy, employment, gender equality and urban lifestyles, polygamy would also go down there.

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Even though you weren't talking to me thank you.

I also agree you can't change the law...it is still allowed. For those who want to practice it and do well in it good for them.

However it isn't for everyone and in the past many people have been put down on this forum for saying that they personally wouldn't want to practice it or be involved in such a family structure.

I apologize if I came across as harsh to you.

No problem sis, i am a silent admirer of your posts :P until yesterday. lolz

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Brother

We women are called faminazi and whatnot here--some keep quiet and want their voice to be heard, but remember we react because we have seen other sisters being hurt and injured in such situations where men start following their own desires regardless of the implicit cost---whenever men let go of their natural grace and restrain they hurt many women in their pursue of personal delight.....

Polite, succinct and eloquent as always, Hebrew.

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male modesty and self-restraint?

Agree...

Many who could do this, should do this.

For everybody else Allah(swt) has kept the options open.

Islam is all for balanced and sensible solutions. But anybody who will come here telling anybody that certain Islamic injunction is not needed any more, it better be mine and yours Islamic duty to refute it.

None of Quranic ayaat have an expiration date no matter how loud some shia chatters and others yell at us.

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Many married women have extra marital affairs. Do you propose polyandry for them? No. Do you suggest they practice self-restraint and stick to their respective husbands? Yes.

Same goes for married men. As I already said, that's where Islamic teachings about practicing self-restraints come handy.

Why those who propagate polygyny left and right have very little to say about male modesty and self-restraint?

most men do not have self-restraint or modesty .

the world that is created for men is not of self-restraint or control , but of lust , desire and sex.

this is the real world of commerce , which all of you exist in.

and as men are programmed and conditioned from birth into this , they comply .

and this is best for their business plan.

Prostitution , pornography , fashion and the sex industries gross trillions , next to drugs and arms .

it has better return then the food industries.

there are more brothels in any given location than 7/11s and McDonalds.

this is all by design , and you can argue this till the cows come home .

it does not change the reality.

:Alhamdoolila I am soooooo grateful to :Allah (swt) that he has given me an alternative :Halal choice to save my soul from the clutches of :Iblis.

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^^^^ There are drugs on every corner and alley as well….. but we would hurt ourselves and those we loved if we threw caution and responsibility out of the window and selfishly indulged without thought or reason.

Most humans have some level of impulse control.

Intellectual restraint, controlling biological urges, is what makes us human and separates us from not so intellectually endowed primates.

Being able to accept and practice delayed gratification is a mark of childhood maturity.

Polygamy cant be about giving carte blanche gratification to elderly adolescents.

Agree...

Many who could do this, should do this.

For everybody else Allah(swt) has kept the options open.

Islam is all for balanced and sensible solutions. But anybody who will come here telling anybody that certain Islamic injunction is not needed any more, it better be mine and yours Islamic duty to refute it.

None of Quranic ayaat have an expiration date no matter how loud some shia chatters and others yell at us.

How about slavery?

Why do you think people are yelling at you? How long have you felt this way..??? -_-

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