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Brutal Gang Rape In Delhi

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As nation mourns Delhi braveheart, attacks on women continue

Mon, 31 Dec 2012 10:54 AM

Indians are protesting the brutal gangrape of the 23-year-old girl and demanding strict anti-rape laws, but these protests have failed to deter the rapists, as more crimes against women come to light across the country.

Uttar Pradesh: Two women were seriously injured when a youth threw acid on them in Muzaffarnagar on Monday. The accused, Pawan Kumar, and the victim Usha, who is married, were involved in a relationship. However, Pawan was planning to get married to another girl which had upset Usha.

Bengal: A 45-year-old woman was murdered Saturday after being allegedly raped in Barasat, 20 km from Kolkata, and her husband was assaulted and is critical after the rapists forced him to drink acid. After raping the woman, the rapists bludgeoned her to death.

Ahmedabad: a 13-year-old girl was allegedly gangraped by her brother-in-law and his friend over a period of four days in Ahmedabad. The victim attempted suicide by consuming poison, following which she was admitted to a hospital. Since then, she has been battling for her life.

Haryana: A B Tech student was arrested in Kurukshetra for allegedly raping his Dalit classmate. The victim told the police that she was going for her tuition class on Friday when the accused came in his car and pulled her inside. She said the accused drove to an isolated area and raped her.

Bihar: Incidents of violence against women in Bihar emerged as a minor and a mentally retarded woman were among three raped in the state, while the nation was revolting against the gangrape of a 23-year-old paramedical student in Delhi, who died. Last week, a 12-year-old girl was gang-raped by three youths in a village in Patna district.

New Delhi: Even as the Capital is angered over the brutal gangrape of the 23-year-old who died, a teenaged girl was molested in a city bus by an off-duty conductor on Sunday. The attacker was arrested, and has been dismissed from service along with two other bus staff.

Hyderabad: Four incidents of sexual assault come to light in Andhra, including two involving policemen, were reported in Andhra Pradesh. Among the victims are two minor girls.

Police in Krishna district of coastal Andhra region booked a constable, D Venkat Rao, on charges of raping a woman.

A woman, deserted by her husband, said the policeman raped her after befriending her when she lodged a complaint against her family.

In another incident in the same district, a village revenue officer (VRO) was booked on charges of raping a woman. The complainant alleged that Boyina Pandu raped the woman after offering her a soft drink laced with sedatives.

In the third incident that took place in Nalgonda district, a constable was arrested for trying to exually assault a minor girl. The girl was rescued by passers-by who heard her cries.

The passers-by also caught the constable and handed him over to the police.

In yet another incident in Prakasam district, a six-year-old girl was sexually assaulted by a man. The girl's family on Sunday lodged a complaint with police in Markapuram that a 40-year-old man lured her with money and committed the crime.

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Female foeticide has led to this:

We’ve written a lot about gender on this blog, and the preference for boys over girls has been a hallmark of Asian societies for centuries. This has led to large gender imbalances across much of Asia, particularly in China and India. In China, there are 119 boys born for every 100 girls. According to India’s recently completed census, among children six and under, there are only 914 girls counted for every 1,000 boys.

How come people promote polygyny as a "solution" to today's world problems when things are going in opposite direction? If anything, with how things are going in some societies, I think there would soon come a time when a group of new-age "feminists" would promote polyandry as the "solution" for the "greater good" of the society. I'd like to see male reaction to this proposal.

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Female foeticide has led to this:

How come people promote polygyny as a "solution" to today's world problems when things are going in opposite direction? If anything, with how things are going in some societies, I think there would soon come a time when a group of new-age "feminists" would promote polyandry as the "solution" for the "greater good of the society. I'd like to see male reaction to this proposal.

Oh well no....there are like 1,000 women to every 10 men in russia....remember (EVEN THOUGH THAT STATISTIC WAS PULLED STRAIGHT FROM HIS REAR END)

Oh wait! Maybe we could send those women to India and China instead of keeping them all for ourselves!

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According to this article by reuters the guys came from lower caste (poor) and the girl vice versa

Unfortunately due to the gender imbalance there is only more of this to come http://www.freakonom...nder-imbalance/

Hoards of frustrated, angry men running around

There is even one poli-sci theory that predicts wars and social breakdown because of this gap. I however believe that gender-gap is only half of the story. The other half being objectification of women into/as sexual objects by media/television. Was watching this bit about the effect of television in Bhutan, a country that only allowed television a little over 10 years ago. This one guy hit the nail right on its head- he said how before TV the perception of a beautiful woman in Bhutan was a woman modelled on Bhutanese values- such as a good mother, wife, family member etc... but after TV it has all changed into a female with specific physical attributes.

....there are like 1,000 women to every 10 men in russia...

The ratio of higher numbers of women than men in Russia does hold some truth. It holds true for big cities such as Moscow where there are more women than men. Its because there are more opportunities for women to make a buck than for men because of their demand in the entertainment industry. So more women (than men) from rural Russia flock into big cities while men stay behind getting all liquored up.

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According to this article by reuters the guys came from lower caste (poor) and the girl vice versa

There is even one poli-sci theory that predicts wars and social breakdown because of this gap. I however believe that gender-gap is only half of the story. The other half being objectification of women into/as sexual objects by media/television. Was watching this bit about the effect of television in Bhutan, a country that only allowed television a little over 10 years ago. This one guy hit the nail right on its head- he said how before TV the perception of a beautiful woman in Bhutan was a woman modelled on Bhutanese values- such as a good mother, wife, family member etc... but after TV it has all changed into a female with specific physical attributes.

The ratio of higher numbers of women than men in Russia does hold some truth. It holds true for big cities such as Moscow where there are more women than men. Its because there are more opportunities for women to make a buck than for men because of their demand in the entertainment industry. So more women (than men) from rural Russia flock into big cities while men stay behind getting all liquored up.

Those Russian women are also coming to the U.S., Canada, and Europe as mail order brides. They are marrying the men that no one else wants.....LOL.

As for the media and the gender gap.....I guess you could say those two make a lethal cocktail.

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A day after the gang-rape victim was quietly cremated here,

loud protests continued on Monday against rising crimes against women

and the opposition reiterated its demand for a special session of

Parliament to discuss strengthening anti-rape laws. Under attack from the Bharatiya Janata Party for the "drama" over the

"hush-hush" cremation of the 23-year-old woman, who was brutally raped

on a moving bus on December 16, the Congress said it was done "in

accordance with the parents' wishes". Congress chief Sonia Gandhi, who went to the airport to receive the

woman's body early Sunday, has conveyed to party members and well-

wishers that she will not celebrate the New Year as a tribute to the dead

trainee physiotherapist and asked them not to wish her on the occasion. With the nation united in its feeling of grief and outrage over the brutal

rape and the death of the woman, the Indian Army and several other

institutions, including private clubs and residential societies, decided

either to have low-key New Year celebrations or s[Edited Out] them altogether. The usual buzz surrounding New Year was missing with lesser turnouts in

hotspots like India Gate and Connaught Place. Several clubs, including the Press Club of India and Delhi Gymkhana, and

five-star hotels cancelled their New Year revelries following the death of

the girl. Protests were held at Jantar Mantar where a makeshift memorial was also

built. At the Jantar Mantar, hundreds of protestors continued their vigil at the

place that has become the protest site since the horrific incident. Undeterred by the biting cold and frosty winds, they sang songs, raised

slogans and some even performed a 'havan' - a ritual by fire - for the

departed soul. Monday was the season's coldest with the maximum at 13

degrees Celsius and the minimum at 5.5 degrees. The Delhi government has announced Rs 15 lakh compensation to the

woman's family and a job to one of her family members. She was the oldest

of three siblings and was about to get a job. The UP government also

announced Rs 20 lakh compensation for the victim's kin. Delhi chief minister Sheila Dik[Edited Out], who has been the target of ire of the

anti-rape protestors and was even booed out of Jantar Mantar two days

ago, made the compensation announcement. The chief minister attended

the cremation at Dwarka early Sunday. Addressing a condolence meeting organised by the party, BJP leader

Sushma Swaraj lashed out at the United Progressive Alliance (UPA)

government for the secrecy shrouding the cremation and demanded a

special session of parliament. "I had asked the prime minister to call a special session (of parliament).

But my demand was rejected...I also asked them to call an all-party meet.

That demand was also rejected," she said. Former army chief Gen (retd) VK Singh also joined the chorus for a special

session of parliament. Aam Admi Party leader Arvind Kejriwal had a few

days ago made the same demand. However, the Congress rejected the BJP's demand for a special session. Congress spokesperson Rashid Alvi told IANS: "This issue is not an issue

that should be politicised." "They are demanding a special session of Parliament. This is no secret that

when parliament is in session, they never allow Parliament to function and

when parliament is not in session, they are demanding it. It is very

strange." Congress spokesperson Renuka Choudhary denied the cremation was

hushed up. "Nothing was done without the consent of the family, and their

wish for privacy... they wanted it." Sources said that home minister Sushilkumar Shinde has written to

political parties inviting suggestions about possible changes in existing

criminal laws to provide for stricter punishment in rape cases. Expressing hope the mass outrage would lead the government to frame

stricter laws, activist Subhashini Ali, who was part of the protestors at

Jantar Mantar, told IANS the "situation will not change overnight, but the

fact that so many people are coming out, in this cold and even spending the

night here means something. Laws are there already but they need to be

implemented." Lokesh Batra, an RTI activist: "Because we did not do anything, so the

situation continues to be the same. This pressure should continue..." The social media, which has been a great contributor to strengthening the

movement for a safer environment, especially for women, saw an online

campaign being launched seeking cancellation of popular rapper Honey

Singh's New Year's eve performance at the Bristol Hotel in Gurgaon. The

outrage is over his use of crass lyrics around women. The US too commented on the gang rape and the massive street protests,

calling for a change in "attitudes and (end) all forms of gender-based

violence". The young woman was gang-raped on a moving bus on December 16. She

was flown to Singapore last Wednesday night for treatment of her

grievous injuries sustained during her 40-minute ordeal. She died in a

Singapore hospital on Saturday and was flown back early Sunday.

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I think there would soon come a time when a group of new-age "feminists" would promote polyandry as the "solution" for the "greater good" of the society. I'd like to see male reaction to this proposal.

polyandry? heh, poor wife.

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What happened to this girl was horrible. And i don't know how she was dressed or was behaving, or if that did have any effect on the outcome. But to suggest that dress does not affect such situations is also blunt and quite frankly, retarded.

I read people on this site and specifically in this thread saying woman have the right to dress however they like etc etc. Yes, woman do have the right to dress however they like, but the outcome of it is also in some degrees in their hand.

If a black man goes to a nazi/white power neighborhood and walks around, then ends up getting beat half to death you could say, well he had the right to go there and what they did was wrong. And i would agree with that, but i would also ask the black man; Are you retarded? Why on earth would you go to a nazi neighborhood?

We also have woman here in Norway walking through a really dark park at 3am, then they get raped. Yes, she had the right to walk out at 3am in a lonely dark park, and the rapist was wrong in raping her. But no one is slapping the woman and asking her; What the hell were you thinking walking alone in a park at 3am? It's like letting bambi go walking around in a lions den.

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What happened to this girl was horrible. And i don't know how she was dressed or was behaving, or if that did have any effect on the outcome. But to suggest that dress does not affect such situations is also blunt and quite frankly, retarded.

I read people on this site and specifically in this thread saying woman have the right to dress however they like etc etc. Yes, woman do have the right to dress however they like, but the outcome of it is also in some degrees in their hand.

What a bunch of nonsense.

Men get raped also. Do you think rape has something to do with what these men were wearing?

And by the way, women get raped in their homes also. It's not about what they are wearing that makes the rapist want to rape them.

How about family members (fathers, brothers) raping their sibblings (sisters) or daughters.

And even if someone was alone without protection, doesn't mean they deserve to get raped.

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What a bunch of nonsense.

Men get raped also. Do you think rape has something to do with what these men were wearing?

And by the way, women get raped in their homes also. It's not about what they are wearing that makes the rapist want to rape them.

How about family members (fathers, brothers) raping their sibblings (sisters) or daughters.

And even if someone was alone without protection, doesn't mean they deserve to get raped.

You apparently didn't get my point nor did you in any way understand what i was getting at, and your preposterous way of answering does not deserve a response.

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What a bunch of nonsense.

Men get raped also. Do you think rape has something to do with what these men were wearing?

And by the way, women get raped in their homes also. It's not about what they are wearing that makes the rapist want to rape them.

How about family members (fathers, brothers) raping their sibblings (sisters) or daughters.

And even if someone was alone without protection, doesn't mean they deserve to get raped.

While it has not been fully proven that the appearance of a woman is the main factor that can entice a man to rape her, no one can deny that it is one of the factors. This is the point that repenter was making.

To understand this, you need to look at this from the man's point of view.

If you were a man, and you saw two women, one who was fully veiled, and one who was fully unveiled, which one would you be more inclined to rape?

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I think that the point that women are trying to make here is that there is seemingly more concern about how a woman dresses than the fact that there are brutal murdering psychopaths roaming the streets. Yet, the first comment is about dress. ???? That is the wierdness of it. Given the extreme brutality of the event - why is there minimal concern about the perpetrator's role and significant concern about the ASSUMED dress of the victim? Totally confusing.

If a man is not capable of not unleashing his anger, lust, whatever, to the point that a woman is maimed, tortured or murdered - perhaps HE is the one that should not be leaving his house.

Dress has been brought up repeatedly and NO ONE knows how she was dressed.

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I think that the point that women are trying to make here is that there is seemingly more concern about how a woman dresses than the fact that there are brutal murdering psychopaths roaming the streets. Yet, the first comment is about dress. ???? That is the wierdness of it. Given the extreme brutality of the event - why is there minimal concern about the perpetrator's role and significant concern about the ASSUMED dress of the victim? Totally confusing.

If a man is not capable of not unleashing his anger, lust, whatever, to the point that a woman is maimed, tortured or murdered - perhaps HE is the one that should not be leaving his house.

Dress has been brought up repeatedly and NO ONE knows how she was dressed.

Like it or not, even the Qur'an says that women who dress properly will not be abused.

"O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused."

Quran, C #33, V #59

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Lovely. Great social communication skills being honed here.

What is that supposed to mean?

While it has not been fully proven that the appearance of a woman is the main factor that can entice a man to rape her, no one can deny that it is one of the factors. This is the point that repenter was making.

To understand this, you need to look at this from the man's point of view.

If you were a man, and you saw two women, one who was fully veiled, and one who was fully unveiled, which one would you be more inclined to rape?

Well at least someone understood my point. People act as if coming with suggestions on how to lessen such incidents is the same as blaming it on the girl. Which is childish.

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Like it or not, even the Qur'an says that women who dress properly will not be abused.

"O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused."

Quran, C #33, V #59

How do you explain the women in burqa, hijab, niqab who get raped? What about little children? What have they done to be abused?

Also, please tell me how the victim was dressed - this seems to be an obsession here - how was she dressed?

What is that supposed to mean?

It means that you were rude.

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What a bunch of nonsense.

Men get raped also. Do you think rape has something to do with what these men were wearing?

And by the way, women get raped in their homes also. It's not about what they are wearing that makes the rapist want to rape them.

How about family members (fathers, brothers) raping their sibblings (sisters) or daughters.

And even if someone was alone without protection, doesn't mean they deserve to get raped.

Not only that...I've seen on the news a number of times about 70 and 80 year old grandmothers being raped by intruders breaking in at night :no: :realangery:

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By asking this question, you are basically doubting the Qur'an.

If you are you saying women in Islamic dress from hijab to burqa are not raped then you are wrong. I am asking you how this happens.

And you still havent told me how the victim was dressed ....

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If you are you saying women in Islamic dress from hijab to burqa are not raped then you are wrong. I am asking you how this happens.

Well, it's not like the Qur'an is saying that women who cover themselves will never be abused. But, it still backs repenter's (and my) point: The appearance of a woman can entice a man to rape her, and women who dress modestly (Islamically) will have a lower likelihood of being raped. You should acknowledge these points.

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It means that you were rude.

How exactly was i rude? I got a rude answer and i said i won't respond back because it's not worth it. Maybe you should learn how to comprehend English before you mouth off like that based on emotions. Or better yet, grow up and engage in the debate instead...just a suggestion.

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What a bunch of nonsense.

Men get raped also. Do you think rape has something to do with what these men were wearing?

And by the way, women get raped in their homes also. It's not about what they are wearing that makes the rapist want to rape them.

How about family members (fathers, brothers) raping their sibblings (sisters) or daughters.

And even if someone was alone without protection, doesn't mean they deserve to get raped.

My understanding of the whole brutality matter is..... These kinds of incidents will continue to take place.... not because how some one is dressed or how alone male/female is or something else.... The simple thing is ............. If a human beings are not afraid Allah(swT) then y should they be afraid of anything else?, y should they show respect to other human beings? Does a lion show respect to deer before eating it. even though lion does not rape it's own kind(at least not in my knowledge) but the point is what r u complaining about, the very reason they committed this, in their minds it was not instilled tht they would be punished forever for these sins after this life. Eventhough some people know it but still tend to ignore the very fact of eternal punishment by Allah(Swt) and they commit these heinous crimes against humanity and i would say against themselves.... these are the real losers as Quran describes.....

I often ask myself ..... if it isn't for the sake of Allah(swt), Then y we should be kinds to others especially those from whom we don't need anything. when humans really act solely on their desires that's when human beings become worst creature of Allah(swt)...... Humans always did the same kind of crimes in history and will continue to do so. Before doing these acts they feel like they are invincible and are not afraid of anything. In their mind Death is the thing that has to come, then y not enjoy in every way possible before it comes.

Some times people do behave nicely toward others not believing in God/islam/any religion but they do so to get something in return from society e.g appreciation from other human beings, wealth, to make them feel better etc. But if some one don't want anything from society and they don't believe in punishment from Allah(swt) either? somer believe it but ignore it, and deny everything. Then imagine, how would they behave? They would behave exactly in the same manners as this gang did. According to them nothing matters but their desires and how to achieve them. Whatever they think, they consider it right and they do it ..........

Now, The question is how to stop it?

Honestly,U can't stop them but u can only punish them in worst way possible. The way the justice system works in this world even that's not possible all the time................ Alas

Allah(swt) gave mankind solution to their every problem. But most of us denied and still denying the signs of Allah(swt) and when calamaties fall because of our misdeeds . We start crying and complaining. It's the nature of humans........ We humans don't learn untill we lose something precious.....

Huh!!!! Prophet(pbuh) successfully delieverd the whole message to people and also arranged for spreading it across the globe to save humans from ultimate destruction and humilation, but alas! so called muslims sorry i would rather say so called human beings....... Don't forget, what they did to family of Prophet(pbuh). They are the real culprits for all heinous crimes which have happened in the past, which are happening now and which are about to happen.

O dear Lord! Punish Them all from the very first one to last one forever, O dear dear lord, save us from all evils and save others from our evils , Indeed You are Best protector of all.

Whenever I read such incidents my hearts says loudly Al Ajal Al Ajal Ya Mahedi(AS)!!!!!!!! He(as) is the last sign. May Allah(swt) protect him(as) and hasten his (as) reappearance. Only then these kinds of incidents will completely be stopped. Untill then Seek refuge soley in Allah(swt) from everything.

And For those who don't believe in him u can go and try to create perfect world with your own ideas.......

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Guess you can't hold yourself....

Oookay that is pathetic….. :unsure:

Gypsy didn’t agree with your post and gave her own opinion. Boo Hooo!

You need to get over it.

And please try to communicate with people without some kind of pre-requisite insult attached. You will get responses that focus on your content rather than on your akhlaq.

As a Moderator – shouldn’t you be modeling this? :huh:

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Oookay that is pathetic….. :unsure:

Gypsy didn’t agree with your post and gave her own opinion. Boo Hooo!

You need to get over it.

And please try to communicate with people without some kind of pre-requisite insult attached. You will get responses that focus on your content rather than on your akhlaq.

As a Moderator – shouldn’t you be modeling this? :huh:

We need more girl mods

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Oookay that is pathetic….. :unsure:

Gypsy didn’t agree with your post and gave her own opinion. Boo Hooo!

You need to get over it.

And please try to communicate with people without some kind of pre-requisite insult attached. You will get responses that focus on your content rather than on your akhlaq.

As a Moderator – shouldn’t you be modeling this? :huh:

See you still don't get it. I wasn't being rude. Gypsy was rude and answered in a rude way. If you actually bother to go back and read you will see that this was the reason i answered in that way. And my answer wasn't even rude, i mainly said i won't answer back exactly because he/she was being rude. I can't make it more clear than this, im not sure if your English can comprehend this, but this is as clear as i can make it.

But then you had to stick your nose where it actually didn't belong, so I asked you what i did, and you couldn't answer, over and over again. Just mainly saying someone is rude without pointing out what they did, is rude in itself. Putting yourself on a pedestal and preaching about akhlaq is not impressing anyone unless you can actually point out what someone did wrong was.

So again, what exactly did i say that was rude, please point it out.

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See you still don't get it. I wasn't being rude. Gypsy was rude and answered in a rude way. If you actually bother to go back and read you will see that this was the reason i answered in that way. And my answer wasn't even rude, i mainly said i won't answer back exactly because he/she was being rude. I can't make it more clear than this, im not sure if your English can comprehend this, but this is as clear as i can make it.

But then you had to stick your nose where it actually didn't belong, so I asked you what i did, and you couldn't answer, over and over again. Just mainly saying someone is rude without pointing out what they did, is rude in itself. Putting yourself on a pedestal and preaching about akhlaq is not impressing anyone unless you can actually point out what someone did wrong was.

So again, what exactly did i say that was rude, please point it out.

Your response to me pointing out your rudeness included two gratuitous insults – because of this, I decided not to respond in kind. Unfortunately, you don’t seem to understand that your behaviour, yet again, was rude. You couldn’t even force a reply this last post without attempting insult – making a negative comment (again) on my English ability.

Explanation of rudeness that you requested:

Your opinion of Gypsy’s post was “preposterous” to you – so you rudely told her that it was not worthy of a response; that is, you stood in judgment of her opinion. This is the social communication skills part I referred to that you said didn’t understand. You could have (without bias or confrontation or nasty tone) sought clarification by asking her what she meant or why she thought that way or how that was connected to whatever thoughts you had, how it pertained to the topic etc. Those are stepping stones to civil discussions.

This thread topic is very upsetting to everyone who reads it. I don’t know if you understand why, but it is exceptionally upsetting to women – which is why I commented about your post in the first place. Exercising sensitivity in comments in topics like this would be really helpful.

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Your response to me pointing out your rudeness included two gratuitous insults – because of this, I decided not to respond in kind. Unfortunately, you don’t seem to understand that your behaviour, yet again, was rude. You couldn’t even force a reply this last post without attempting insult – making a negative comment (again) on my English ability.

Explanation of rudeness that you requested:

Your opinion of Gypsy’s post was “preposterous” to you – so you rudely told her that it was not worthy of a response; that is, you stood in judgment of her opinion. This is the social communication skills part I referred to that you said didn’t understand. You could have (without bias or confrontation or nasty tone) sought clarification by asking her what she meant or why she thought that way or how that was connected to whatever thoughts you had, how it pertained to the topic etc. Those are stepping stones to civil discussions.

This thread topic is very upsetting to everyone who reads it. I don’t know if you understand why, but it is exceptionally upsetting to women – which is why I commented about your post in the first place. Exercising sensitivity in comments in topics like this would be really helpful.

First of all did you even bother to read what i wrote? I clearly said what happened to her was terrible and in no way is she responsible for what happened. I also said i didn't know how she was dressed and that it didn't matter in the crime. I would probably have killed the guys myself. I was making a side point that in Islam, one of the reasons they tell woman to dress modestly is to lessen the chance of criminals doing such things. It is a precaution which i was pointing out. But this is clearly to hard to understand.

Secondly, Gypsy wrote:

What a bunch of nonsense.

Men get raped also. Do you think rape has something to do with what these men were wearing?

And by the way, women get raped in their homes also. It's not about what they are wearing that makes the rapist want to rape them.

How about family members (fathers, brothers) raping their sibblings (sisters) or daughters.

And even if someone was alone without protection, doesn't mean they deserve to get raped.

The bold part is what i answered too. If someone says "What a bunch of nonsense" to something you took time writing would you say it was polite in a proper grown up debate? If i say this start is preposterous is that something that is rude? I mean, you made a mistake in calling me out, and if you are grown up enough about it you will admit it. I did nothing that was rude other than telling someone that i wont answer them back when they respond like that. Specially since rest of their post was totally irrelevant to what i wrote.

You probably will still stick by your position and be stubborn, in that case i won't respond back to you as well because i simply can't afford to spend time arguing about such silly stuff. If not, then good we can continue the debate in a proper fashion.

PS: I wonder how you would regard me if i wrote: "what a bunch of nonsense" to something you were debating about.

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