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Christianlady

My Husband And I Met A Man From Iran Last Sat.

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Just on the topic of "death to america", it is something we will not change our minds on nor back down on.

To the brother who said it is used to control people, I am sorry but it is exactly the opposite, it frees people. It is freedom from the mental slavery which is embodied in the american system, which is now the focal point and cause of the deviation of millions of youth worldwide. It is important to understand the powerful meaning of this chant, it is not simply a mindless repetition for the masses but holds within it significant lessons which need to be constantly remembered, and this is the reason we uphold this.

I understand what you are saying, and you are right, but these chants take our eyes away from the real enemy, the enemy within

Oh really? Well, guess you just miss typed and wanted to write your own name next to the world liar.

You are a joke.

LOL still didnt call you a "liar" ;)

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Christian Lady you don't get it do you. Lets make this simple.

Imagine your neighbor (with a great potato garden) tells you to goto hell, because for the past 50 odd years you have been meddling in their affairs, you had your best friend living with their family, who used to give you fresh potatoes from their garden for free. She started being a bully was ousted out of the home so they could have some potatoes for themselves, after all that's all they ever eat. Obviously you are bitter about this, you are a powerful resident of the community and you can't stand a neighbour who wants to control his own affairs and munch on his own potatoes chips. You start sending people to their house and around the community, causing fitna, spreading lies, creating a massive power struggle within their family. Increasingly over the past few years, almost on a daily basis you start threatening to destroy their garden literally. Not to mention you have told all the other people on the streets not to visit their house or share pleasantries with them or exchange gifts. Furthermore you have erected a fence around their house, they cannot get as many supplies in to cultivate their crops efficiently. You get away with all of this because you are a rich and powerful respected resident who can pretty much do as you please. So you party all night in the streets with all the other spineless members of the community, including a British colonial minded friend of yours who used to steal tomatoes from the same family before you moved into the community. The most interesting fact about all this is that your neighbour has never even stepped on your property, never invaded your premises, never trespassed, and never even threatened to as much as chuck tomatoes in your face. They simply tell you to goto hell when you and your little obnoxious loud mouth Israeli friend threaten to destroy whatever is left of their crop on a daily basis.

Yep, how dare your neighbour tell you to goto hell? That is not nice! They should be above this and show the community how to live in peace, just like Jesus! Only that these people aren't Jesus, they are ordinary human beings with normal human reactions to tyranny, and betrayal.

Peace and god bless you too.

Hello Mutah King,

First of all, I don't steal. I would never steal from my neighbor or anybody else. My parents taught me to love God and a part of loving God is not stealing, so your imagined scenario does not resonate with me.

My reason for starting this thread was to ask if it is true what the Iranian man my husband and I met said. From the hostile responses on this board, I see that he is not talking for all Muslims or Iranians. I am not my government. I am an American, and I am a part of America, same as the Iranian-Americans are not the government of America, but are Americans who are part of America.

Anyways, thanks to all who have responded on this thread and who have given their point of view concerning how people can chant "Death to America" and yet love Americans. I appreciate it. To all the hostile people on this forum, I am sorry for offending you with my questions and my point of view as an American. You are of course entitled to your views and you have the right to slander me and hate me. I don't hate you though, and I am learning to love, like Jesus commands. :)

This is my last post in this thread. Thanks to all who were not hostile and who answered my thread instead of personally attacking me, an American who has never been to Iran.

I will leave this thread with quotes from a wonderful article about Israelis and Americans loving the Iranian people (instead of hating them or chanting death to their country):

http://www.israelovesiran.com/america-loves-iran-and-israel/

"With every new person that join’s our community we are moving one step closer towards making the hope for peace in the middle east a reality. War happens when there’s no communication with the “other side”.

-http://www.israelovesiran.com/about-us/

Peace and God bless y'all

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Christianlady..very brave to deal with this much ignorance (largely due to uninformed people posting here) in one place!

I don't think Christianlady and her supporters are ignorant, nor the rest of us showing braveness... I think both sides are aware of the other's objectives and understand how to play the game well.

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I disagree with that, because there are many Muslims in the USA. The USA has freedom of religion and the separation of church and state. Many politicians "walk on eggshells" trying not to offend either Muslims or Christians or Atheists or Hindus or people of any belief/worldview. It's an interesting balancing act they do.

The hate campaign against Muslim in the last 15 yrs has nothing to do with separation of church and state and it is not applying to Muslims. Especially since 911 many American politician also tried to win an election through hate speeches against Muslims; beliefs and Muslim nations..... I am not going to enter into the discussion of problems for Muslims of America for the last 15 years, which is a very long and different discussion by itself.

I have friends who have immigrated from Cuba, India, South Korea, Japan, Brazil, Argentina, El Salvador, Venezuela, Chile, México, Guatemala, Honduras, Peru, Ecuador (well, my hubby is from Ecuador) :) Germany, Russia, Belarus, and Sweden. While some have a negative view on many of the policies of the USA, they also have positive views on the USA, which is why they came to live here.

I guess I wasn't clear. I am not talking about those who immigrated... the people who immigrated from those countries of course saw some positive things about the US, and that is why they are there for those positive things and/or out of helplessness from where they came from, including the Iranian one and often they try to speak for 'people' of their own countries as well from their own views.

I was talking about to go and ask the people of these countries in those countries, not the immigrants in the US... And even according to many surveys conducted by American sources, they clearly claim that in many nations the people have a negative image of America and it is growing.

I personally don't believe there is any government that is 100% good. I don't think that will happen till Jesus comes back. Thanks for sharing your perspective. I do agree that the USA does many horrible things and that invading other countries and taking advantage of other countries is very wrong.

I never said there is any government that is good 100%. We were just discussing how the people of the world might 'love' or hate America.

However, the American government who tries to police the world and be the boss in claiming to be the champion of human rights and democracy gives people of the world more reasons to judge her than to judge South Africa or Mexico or Iran and Pakistan.

However, people in other countries chanting death wishes to America doesn't make the USA a better place. It's like chanting "Come attack me" to a lion who is hungry, free, and is a known manhunter... Now, that doesn't make it good that the lion will attack, but if the lion is already known as being a mankiller, it is pretty reasonable to believe that chanting a death threat or any kind of taunt to a lion can most definitely motivate a gory attack. :( Instead of chanting "Death to America" it helps if the people of Iran show the US government and America, which includes Americans, how to live in peace and how to be above killing/invading. It would be cool if instead of expressing hatred for the US government, they talked to Americans and showed them that they (Iranians) are awesome people who do not deserve being attacked, but rather deserve mutual peace, respect, and love.

That is a political chant, not a practical one. And initially it began with nationalist-leftists in Iran, then followed by emotional nationalist-Islamists, then was kept as a tradition because of many deaths and humiliation Iranians faced at the hands of US appointed Shah.

And when Iran wanted to abolish the chants during Khatami, it got nothing in return, but hateful speeches and very dangerous plans for the fall of Islamic Republic from the US government.

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Christianlady..very brave to deal with this much ignorance (largely due to uninformed people posting here) in one place!

Oh? Could you point out this 'ignorance' please? I would like to see it, because it seems to me that ChristianLady is the ill informed one. Perhaps you could also reply to the article I posted which she failed to refute?

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I was born in Iran, in schools they made us every morning listen to Quran, hadith from Imams, then chant death to America and Israel before we go inside our class rooms. It was good because it would wake us up :)

My point is that those slogans is something people do because that's how the atomospher is set up. I anyway I stop here :)

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@christianlady all im saying is look at the news recently the school shooting?or how about the guy that dressed up as batmans vilian in a cinema and started blasting random people why is it these things happen in america and not muslim countrys?

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Christianlady is full of you know what. Anyone who does not understand why the USA is hated throughout the world would not be on a Shia Muslim website. Your awareness would be too low to even know that we exist, thus you are here to feed disinformation and promote the righteousness of America and its people.

I am American, on the surface we come across as very nice and peaceful people, but under the surface we are hateful, unconcerned, and extremely selfish. If people are dying far away we do not care. If our government says that killing people in a certain country will make us rich then a large percentage of Americans will be fine with it. My country is degenerate; average girls, wives and mothers make causal porno movies and perform immoral acts just for fun.

If you asked the people of Sodom if they were evil just before their destruction they would have told you that they were free, tolerant. open-minded and fun loving. They would not have said that they were selfish, self obsessed. materialistic hedonist.

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Christianlady is full of you know what. Anyone who does not understand why the USA is hated throughout the world would not be on a Shia Muslim website. Your awareness would be too low to even know that we exist, thus you are here to feed disinformation and promote the righteousness of America and its people.

I am American, on the surface we come across as very nice and peaceful people, but under the surface we are hateful, unconcerned, and extremely selfish. If people are dying far away we do not care. If our government says that killing people in a certain country will make us rich then a large percentage of Americans will be fine with it. My country is degenerate; average girls, wives and mothers make causal porno movies and perform immoral acts just for fun.

If you asked the people of Sodom if they were evil just before their destruction they would have told you that they were free, tolerant. open-minded and fun loving. They would not have said that they were selfish, self obsessed. materialistic hedonist.

As a self-proclaimed American you should have some belief in the US Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution. "We hold these truths that all people are created equal and are endowed by their creator with some inalienable rights, among them are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

America's founding documents created a largely secular state that allows the "pursuit of happiness" among many other things. Making pornographic movies is not illegal, just as developing microchips and cancer treatments is not illegal. People all over the world (including the Middle East) watch the porno movies and people from all over the world benefit from the cancer treatments and microchips developed here. I use the term "people" broadly because I'm sure we can agree that swine such as Al Quaeda do not really qualify as people. :mellow:

The reason that America is hated so much across the World is that dictatorial leaders and their stooges (e.g., the Anti-Islamic Republican Guard) are afraid that their own people will recognize the moral nature of the US government (governing by the consent of the governed) and want the same thing for themselves (e.g., the Arab Spring). Now, if you are benefitting from the dictatorship (e.g., Syria) or special privileges accorded to you by a quasi-governmental but for-profit organization (the Anti-Islamic Republican Guard), would you want your position threatened by your people wanting a government by the people for the people? Heck no, you will go on plundering your country, raping you little boys and generally not caring about what is best for your country but focusing on what is best for you. Being raised on learning to chant "Death to America" instead of science will ensure that many people will hate America but none of your people will have the requisite education to develop the next generation of microchips and cancer treatments, thus ensuring future flows of money to that country you hate so much - America :shifty:

I was born in Iran, in schools they made us every morning listen to Quran, hadith from Imams, then chant death to America and Israel before we go inside our class rooms. It was good because it would wake us up :)

My point is that those slogans is something people do because that's how the atomospher is set up. I anyway I stop here :)

Good points. How many Nobel prizes in the sciences have been awarded to Iranians (in Iran) since the Revolution? Perhaps a bit less of "Death to America" and a bit more of F = m*a would be a good thing for the educational system.

Oh? Could you point out this 'ignorance' please? I would like to see it, because it seems to me that ChristianLady is the ill informed one. Perhaps you could also reply to the article I posted which she failed to refute?

The point of your article seems to be that the US as a part of its foreign policy kills people. Of course it does! There are so many America haters, that in order to safeguard itself, it has to. Aren't you glad that Osama bin Laden was executed and that Al Quaeda is on the run? I suppose you don't believe Sept 11 or the Holocaust happened, but most educated people do. (Most that don't are either running the Iranian Government, or have never been to Germany, or both :shifty:) It's a dangerous world out there and I am glad that the US is finally getting and using intelligence to target enemies that pose a credible threat (not the schooloys and girls learning to chant "Death to America" in Iran's schools, but the Wahabbi swine coming out of the Saudi system).

Finally White Skies, it seems to me that not too long ago, Iran executed about 20,000 of its own citizens over a course of a decade. Oh, don't they teach that in Iranian schools? Pot, kettle, black.

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I think you need to understand that such slogans are aimed at the government, rather than the people. We could, as well, look at this question the other way and ask, don't Americans think that statements like "Iran is a thread to the stability of the world" are not love speech but hate speech? Obviously, when Americans make these statements, they are talking about their opposition to the policies of the government of Iran and not the people of Iran.

It is only fair for you to interpret the words of Iranians as you interpret your own words.

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Good points. How many Nobel prizes in the sciences have been awarded to Iranians (in Iran) since the Revolution? Perhaps a bit less of "Death to America" and a bit more of F = m*a would be a good thing for the educational system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_technology_in_Iran

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_science_and_engineering_in_the_Islamic_world

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Good points. How many Nobel prizes in the sciences have been awarded to Iranians (in Iran) since the Revolution? Perhaps a bit less of "Death to America" and a bit more of F = m*a would be a good thing for the educational system.

Obama got a Nobel Peace prize, as did Shirin Ebaadi. That should tell you enough about the Nobel board and how they are influenced politically.

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but none of your people will have the requisite education to develop the next generation of microchips and cancer treatments, thus ensuring future flows of money to that country you hate so much - America :shifty:

http://www.setyoufreenews.com/2012/01/15/iran-to-unveil-6-new-home-made-anti-cancer-drugs/

http://www.nanotech-now.com/news.cgi?story_id=45381

http://tehrantimes.com/health/2262-iran-plans-to-mass-produce-15-types-of-anti-cancer-drugs

And this is a disabled boy (Amir Rezayee) who invented "electric spoon" and "electric candle" for disabled people. He is 26, now and he suffers from celebral palsy. He invented electric spoon and candle at age 20:

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The reason that America is hated so much across the World is that

The reason that your government is hated across the world:

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Vietnam_War

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http://en.wikipedia....n_(2001–present)

http://en.wikipedia....nvasion_of_Iraq

http://en.wikipedia....pation_of_Haiti

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The reason that your government is hated in Iran:

http://en.wikipedia....e_Iran–Iraq_war

http://en.wikipedia....ian_coup_d'état

http://en.wikipedia...._Air_Flight_655

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The reason that America is hated so much across the World is that dictatorial leaders and their stooges (e.g., the Anti-Islamic Republican Guard) are afraid that their own people will recognize the moral nature of the US government (governing by the consent of the governed) and want the same thing for themselves (e.g., the Arab Spring).

I doubt that they want the same thing for Iranians. They want whatever that serves their interests. Read this paragraph:

The 1953 Iranian coup d'état (known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup[3]) was the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iran, and its head of government Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom (under the name 'Operation Boot') and the United States (under the name TPAJAX Project).[

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Finally White Skies, it seems to me that not too long ago, Iran executed about 20,000 of its own citizens over a course of a decade. Oh, don't they teach that in Iranian schools? Pot, kettle, black.

Iranian schools have a much more peaceful climate comparing to American ones:

List of school shootings in US:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

List of school shootings in Iran:

Zero!

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