Question About Quranic Verse

[Chiddler]

Salam alaykum friends,

I am trying to understand this verse:

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good)." (Yusef Ali)

What I have been always told is that "only God can judge non-muslims" and it is a possibility that they are forgiven if their intentions are sincere and they are good people.

Doesn't this say that all non-muslims are damned, no matter what?

thank you!

[worshiper]

islam means submission of will to Allah(swt) , so whoever submits to his will will be saved.so non muslims who call Allah(swt) with other names but submit their will ti him(swt) will be judged evenly nd others will be damned.

[Jaysro]

Salaam what I've learned by watching Hassanain Rajbali he says that even Atheists will enter heaven on the condition they were honestly looking for truth. Because everyone has a different set of experiences he had no control over and these experiences shape them and changes the way they look at the world... But I don't know the sources or proofs.

I'm sorry if I intrude, but I also have a question about a quranic verse, maybe someone can answer us both!

http://www.gowister....nswer-1461.html

"(O Prophet) tell (people) I don't ask you any wage (in return for my prophethood) except to love my near kin. And if anyone earns any good We shall give Him an increase of good (in return for it)" (Quran 42:23).

==> when was this verse sent down? If in meccah then howcome we link this to Fatima, Ali, Hassan and Hussain?

Thanks! Salaam!

Edited November 22, 2012 by Jaysro

[saherfatima]

http://www1.ksmnet.org/Download-document/639-1st-night-Muharram-1430-English.html

Inshallah this lecture covers that particular verse if memory serves correct or a verse with a similar connotation at least.

The whole lecture series is very interesting and fitting for muharam too, just be patient with the pace of the lecture

[mun3t]

If you are sincere in your pursue for an answer, this website will provide for you:

http://www.shiasource.com/al-mizan/

Use the built-in search engine.

[Chiddler]

islam means submission of will to Allah(swt) , so whoever submits to his will will be saved.so non muslims who call Allah(swt) with other names but submit their will ti him(swt) will be judged evenly nd others will be damned.

What about somebody who earnestly searches and finds atheism to be a better answer? I think if one's intentions are good, then Allah may accept him.

http://www1.ksmnet.o...30-English.html

Inshallah this lecture covers that particular verse if memory serves correct or a verse with a similar connotation at least.

The whole lecture series is very interesting and fitting for muharam too, just be patient with the pace of the lecture

The volume is so ridiculously low I cannot hear anything without putting my ears inches from my speakers!

If you are sincere in your pursue for an answer, this website will provide for you:

http://www.shiasource.com/al-mizan/

Use the built-in search engine.

I should of searched there before posting this. I forgot!

Thanks.

[Ali Musaaa :)]

What about somebody who earnestly searches and finds atheism to be a better answer? I think if one's intentions are good, then Allah may accept him.

No, because those who come to this conclusion on their own free will deserve to be punished and not accepted. Why should Allah forgive them when they constantly denied Him & His Signs throughout their lives?

[Chiddler]

No, because those who come to this conclusion on their own free will deserve to be punished and not accepted. Why should Allah forgive them when they constantly denied Him & His Signs throughout their lives?

Because those signs are not always obvious.

Are you willing to say, with confidence, that all atheists are simply ignorant and have no foundation of understanding religion? Granted, there are some who might fit this description. But what if there was just ONE person who doesn't?

[saherfatima]

The volume is so ridiculously low I cannot hear anything without putting my ears inches from my speakers!

Ah yes poor recording you can try YouTube it's called 'human Islam ' by sheikh Arif

I just listened on large headphones

Edited November 22, 2012 by saherfatima

[Ali Musaaa :)]

Because those signs are not always obvious.

Are you willing to say, with confidence, that all atheists are simply ignorant and have no foundation of understanding religion? Granted, there are some who might fit this description. But what if there was just ONE person who doesn't?

Allah (swt) has given us enough signs in the Universe, the Qur'an and our own selves that are clear and sufficient enough. Sure, some are not always obvious as you said but there is enough that clearly are.

No, I'm not claiming that. There are many who don't fit that description, but is their arrogance and ignorance going to be a good excuse before Allah on the Day of Judgement? I don't think so, but of course Allahu Alim.

[Chiddler]

Allah (swt) has given us enough signs in the Universe, the Qur'an and our own selves that are clear and sufficient enough. Sure, some are not always obvious as you said but there is enough that clearly are.

No, I'm not claiming that. There are many who don't fit that description, but is their arrogance and ignorance going to be a good excuse before Allah on the Day of Judgement? I don't think so, but of course Allahu Alim.

The alleged signs are subjective. There is no measurable evidence for the existence of God, only philosophical reasoning that may be subjugated to bias, culture, or emotion.

My friend, I think you are claiming that because you are suggesting that "arrogance" and "ignorance" is the reason atheists do not see the signs. To me, it sounds like you think all atheists are too arrogant to see things in your perspective as a muslim. If i'm correct, then I think this is absolutely fallacious. Some people are atheists for reasons besides these two and some do have intentions to seek truth. If i'm wrong, then please correct me.

[Pascal]

We have many threads on this from the past that you might be interested in reading (most people skim links over links but since they're exactly dealing with what you want, might be worth a read).

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I think people are basically bound to believe what they think is true. I have extreme doubts that there are all that many people out there who actually know God exists but somehow, out of arrogance, choose to believe he doesn't. It almost seems impossible to me.

Based on my experiences in life, what i know about the world and all the philosophical arguments i've read, all these things suggest to me that the Abrahamic God doesn't exist, so, guess which belief i'm bound to adopt? The one that the Abrahamic God doesn't exist. I don't really have much of a choice here, if all the information i've absorbed in the past points to this it seems automatic it's what i'll believe. Just like for the Muslims here, all their previous experience and knowledge has shown them that a God does exist, it's not like they really had a choice, if you absorbed that certain kind of knowledge and think it true, you really have no choice but to believe in God.

Two sides of the same coin.

Chiddler has not yet said what religion he or she is, it might help if they did.

[worshiper]

What about somebody who earnestly searches and finds atheism to be a better answer? I think if one's intentions are good, then Allah may accept him.

Thanks.

ofcourse if a peson searches earnestly then he'll be accepted but his/her search wd be told to the world and proved(which wd be impossible).

cz thats y Allah(swt) didnt only send the book; he(swt) alo sent mesengers and imams to prove the way of living.

anyway, after a person clarifies his/her doubts that god does not exist then too he cannot make that as a conclusion because u mentioned good intentions in ur statement which is a disadvantageous point for atheists, cz its a human instinct and is given by god.

what if terrorists say that" i have come to a conclusion that there is nothing called law of god(good intentions) as we all are atheists and there is no law for anyone, if good intending people wd make their laws then we wd make ours.".

then it wd not be accepted by the world because we are bound to live with humanity. and for that humanity there are some laws which cd not be set by people like u, me or anyone.

hope m clear.

wasslaam.

[Safannah]

islam means submission of will to Allah(swt) , so whoever submits to his will will be saved.so non muslims who call Allah(swt) with other names but submit their will ti him(swt) will be judged evenly nd others will be damned.

yeah but the thing is, there are other religions out there (i.e Christianity) that do take Allah as a God but practice Shirk. and shirk is the only sin in which Allah will not forgive

[Jaysro]

If one honestly seeks, Allah will reward him based on his INTENTIONS. We are all born into different circumstances and all of us have a different look at the world based on previous experiences.

It would be unfair of Allah to expect the same from someone born in Denmark, someone born in the amazone jungle and one born in saudi-arabia.

All of them must have looked for truth and all of them shall get their reward.... however if one is arrogant about atheism without even trying to read the quran then he is labeled kafir or Munafiq and this person shall NEVER be forgiven.

[Hot hot]

The path of Islam is clear for all in the endtime of rasool saws he has made the path very clear from hadees e saqlain

Its the responsibility of very individual to find the true path If anyone is still misguided then it's their problem the non believers gets sustenance because of some good deeds in this world and their final destination is hell.