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Shiachat Members Vs Shias Of Ahlulbayt

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That was the age of taqqiyah, so praising them openly clearly contradicted their teachings, and commands, but in this age you can't twist its meaning on present day Shias praising them. How do you explain the Shia uprisings in the end of the days, like khurasani, yamaani ,nafs e Zakkiya ,etc. Are they condemned Shias? or are they Shiachatters? .No, they are praise worthy, Shias can't hide in holes, and conceal their praises in this age, when Shi'ism is under attack from every quarter. How can they remain complacent, when they are being declared kuffar through net, books, pulpits etc. Imamat is criticized, Ahlebait, (as) are insulted through modern means, they shouldn't defend it? So letting everyone believing the heretic stuff being propagated . Now you would say they were being insulted back then too, but in those times ,Shias speaking against that could lead to their elimination, and for survival of Shi'ism ,it was needed to be patient.

Now there are millions of Shias, everyone know where, and who they are. Their silence equates crime, as there will be no one to propagate truth, since Imamat is in ghaybah. Back then, Imams, (as) were present in public too.

When Prophet(saww) said that ''zikr e Ali, (as) is ibadah'', read imali Sadooq. He didn't mention this ibadah has to be done in close quarters always.

And read my signature, Syeda Zainab,(as) said in her sermon, to yazeed laeen ,that ''you'll never be able to eradicate our memory'', who is keeping this memory alive in this age? Whom she was referring towards. Their 'memory' is relive openly every year, Her Prayer got answered in the form of this nation, who isn't 'hiding' their memory.

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The hadiths are beautiful. But I wouldn't try to play around with the words of Imams. If you find wisdom in their words, follow it.

But don't try to interpret and manipulate their words. They were the knowledgeable one, not you.

Hey buddy, don't get personal.

As I said, I needed your feedback after reflection, not your taunts. If I had decided upon its meaning, I would not have invited reflection and sharing of thoughts.

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I think the following section of the hadith indicates that the traits mentioned before of the shias are not related to times of extreme taqiyyah:

The man said: “May I die for you! Where can I find such a kind of people?”

He said: “You can find them in the far sides of the world. They are those, whose lives are so simple, whose abodes move from place to another, who if are seen, will not be known, if absent, will not be missed, if become ill, will not be visited, if propose to a woman, will not be married and if die, their funerals will not be attended. It is they, who divide their monies among them, who visit each other in

their graves and who never disagree even if their countries are different.”[1]

Why? Because only during taqiyyah such people living in the far sides of the world does not connect. It is a general indication.

So I would again try to reflect upon the hadith. The Imam[a] is saying these traits that are being mentioned are of the 300+ companions, and those who want to walk in their direction:

Abu Abdullah as-Sadiq (s) said:

“If the number becomes three hundred and a little more then what you want will happen. Our Shia are those, whose voice does not pass beyond their ears, nor does their zeal go beyond their body, nor do they praise us openly, nor quarrel with anyone because of us, nor sit with anyone criticizing us, nor talk with anyone abusing us, nor love whoever hates us and do not hate whoever loves us.”

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Hey buddy, don't get personal.

As I said, I needed your feedback after reflection, not your taunts. If I had decided upon its meaning, I would not have invited reflection and sharing of thoughts.

That was my feedback.

I hope you understand where I'm coming from. Nowadays everyone is peddling hadiths. It's very hard to know who is sincere and truthful and who is playing around with hadiths because he is on an ego trip.

Maybe you are sincere. But the title of your topic is definitely attention grabbing. Do you think Shiachat Members are in a different class than the Shias of Ahl al-Bayt? If so, which class do you think you are in?

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That was my feedback.

I hope you understand where I'm coming from. Nowadays everyone is peddling hadiths. It's very hard to know who is sincere and truthful and who is playing around with hadiths because he is on an ego trip.

Maybe you are sincere. But the title of your topic is definitely attention grabbing. Do you think Shiachat Members are in a different class than the Shias of Ahl al-Bayt? If so, which class do you think you are in?

When I say something against Shiachat Members, I include myself. The hadith might be tough guidance for me too, if my understanding of it turns correct.

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