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What Is The Difference Between Saddam & Bashar?

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@Wahdat

Are you ignoring all the massacres that were committed by Hizb-e-Islami and its allies?

"the ONLY 2 massacares of the Afghan Civil War that were committed by Salafis and against the Shias." It is absolutely baseless. In both Operations Haraket-e-Islami, which is a shia group, were involved and Massod, which was a Hanafi, and Sayaf, hanbali, (Shia, Hanafi, and Hanbali united as one front) were the other factions.

Can you be a sport and name me one massacare that was committed by the Shias or even by the Hezbi-Islami which is a branch of Muslim Brothers? Can you? Let Wikipedia and Google be all yours.

Just put forth evidence for this claims of yours before I move to deflate your other wiki-claims. I say lets go step by step because in every step you come up with 100 false claims. So the ball is in your court- Put forth evidence or name or place of massacres that took place by either Shias or Hezbi-Islami. Then I'll school you a bit about this so called alliance of HezbiWahdat and HezbiIslami.

Oh and you still have not been able to answer why it was that the 2 massacres (Afshar and Mazar) took place against Shia civilians and by Salafi terrorists.

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Saddam actually attacked Israel when he was being attacked by United States and the puppet Arab states. On the other hand, Bashar has kept the peace between Israel and Syria, the one brokered by his tyrannical father Hafez. The border between Syria and Israel, prior to the ongoing popular revolution, was described as being the safest in the Middle East.

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Oh yes, Saddam was so so cool that he smoked his first cigarette when he was 4. By 5 he had stabbed his first kitty. Bashar on the other hand....

sabiri person, where did you go? do keep us all here waiting.

And let us not mention the animal torturer, rapist/sadist/murdering son Uday which spawned from him. I think abu_moron is higgens' other account....abu_moron being the 'religious' one and higgens being the nationalist.

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What did he do with the animals?

I had the biography of Saddam. It was so terrible that I prefered not to read the whole book. I sometimes think how Iraqis could tolerate his cruel behavior.

A lot were fed up with him and many assassination plans were attempted and all failed due to the lack of experience, little aid/arms at hand and the support he got from countries who were standing by his side for "sectarian reasons".. The same countries who are now provoking sectarian war in places like Syria, bahrain and yemen and at the same time, accuse us shia of being sectarian..

funny world, it reminds me of this haddeeth in sunni books which non of them read:

"There shall come upon people deceptive years, in which the liar will be regarded as truthful, the truthful one will be regarded as a liar, the treacherous one will be trusted, the trustworthy one will be mistrusted, and in which al-Ruwaybidah will speak." Someone asked, "What is al-Ruwaybidah?" He said, "A paltry man speaking about the affair/business of the general public." [Ahmad, Ibn Majah, Abu Ya'la]

wallahi the prophet was talking about what most of you are practicing...

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And let us not mention the animal torturer, rapist/sadist/murdering son Uday which spawned from him. I think abu_moron is higgens' other account....abu_moron being the 'religious' one and higgens being the nationalist.

Like I said earlier Saddam was an opportunist lunatic hoodlum who came to power under shady circumstances. Hence, their animal-like behavior while in power. Now compare that to the lofty upbringing of President Assad or imagine imagine if President Assad goes out to rape or beat people on the street for no reason. Its hard for me to imagine such a scenario because the man has got class.

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Like I said earlier Saddam was an opportunist lunatic hoodlum who came to power under shady circumstances. Hence, their animal-like behavior while in power. Now compare that to the lofty upbringing of President Assad or imagine imagine if President Assad goes out to rape or beat people on the street for no reason. Its hard for me to imagine such a scenario because the man has got class.

Hey dictator's boy Wahdat, are you butthurt that Assad is being overthrown?
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Hey dictator's boy Wahdat, are you butthurt that Assad is being overthrown?

calls himself abu muslim, yet advocates the most heinous of acts (the acts of homosexuality)

Why dont u just stick to what your fan boy Abdurahman Tlas [commander of Al-Farooq battalion] does after hes done with the battlefield? (Zina - at least a less of a sin than homosexuality)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg-_FYDjmTc

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I'm not sure I'm posting in the right forum, but here goes anyway. I was browsing this site and noticed that there are many pro Assad people here. I can't lie, this is really heartbreaking for me, as a Syrian. I do not understand this blind support. So to make me understand, I ask of you pro Assad people to tell me, exactly, what is the difference between Bashar hafez al assad and his counterpart Saddam Hussein? They are both dictators, and both baathists, but i have a certain feeling that if you went to iraq today, no one (or at least a minority) of people would tell you that they loved Saddam.

Thanks and I don't mean to offend anyone.

saddam looks like a butcher, Assad looks like an intellectual /model

looks are important you know esp when dictators like to adorn every wall and square with their image.If I'm staring at saddams ugly face everywhere I wud be clinically depressed and turn violent, Assad I can tolerate for much longer !

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In the ongoing conflict, most Shias and anti-Zionists want Bashar to prevail. Even though his regime has committed crimes that is. It's called being realistic.

How is killing your own people being "anti-Zionist"? The Assad regime has killed thousands upon thousands of Syrians, and how many Israelis? Not even 5,000.

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Assad being a doctor and Saddam uneducated is not subject but a fact.

Saddam having drowned Iraq under debt of Western countries for buying weapons. Assad did not. this is not subjective but a fact.

Saddam attacked its neighbors (Iran and Kuwait). Assad did not. This also is not subjective but a fact hitting you on your head.

Saddam was sectarian He did not trust shias and thus did not allow them in senior positions in army/govt. Most senior members of Assad regime are Sunnis. Also not subjective but a fact.

Syrians in a country with no Oil did/doing economically far better than Iraqis with Oil under Saddam. Also not subjective but a fact.

Saddam being an idiot was my subjective take based on aforementioned facts. Assad otherwise likewise.

The main role of puppets are to funnel the resources of their country to the puppet master's country. Iraqi wealth was thus funnelled to Western countries through armaments companies. This is not the case with Syria and Russia whose partnership resembles that of US and Canada. Do you think Canada is a US puppet?

you have to look up the meaning of 'ally' in dictionary and then hit wikipedia.

Sorry for the late reply:

Assad did invade Lebanon. His troops occupied Lebanese territories and the Lebanese were under Assadist law. Go ask any lebanese to confirm.

Saddam was educated, he studied in Egypt like Hafez al Assad I believe.

As for your other reasons, thanks for pointing that out. But in the long run, I believe these criminal regimes are brothers; and the real reason why people are supporting one or another is sectarian, plain and simple.

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Salaams,

personally i think it is very naive to be drawing comparisions between two people who both have non islamic goals, but rather share a vested interest in arab nationalism, just one was more successful in establishing this than the other. Saddam spent this dream by wasting iraqi money, resources and lives while the assad reign, has been filled with a slow continuous progression of economic, political and strategic advances.

Neither had islamic aims although both claimed it. Remember it was Assad who was sleeping in Buckingham palace a few years back, and Saddam shaking hands with George Galloway.

Remember politics is a game, and the target is both these cases was unfortunately not Islam.

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Now let’s look at history:

Abbassid dynasty: Shias were never oppressed

Ottomans: Again Shias were not oppressed

Ghaznavids: Shias were not oppressed. in fact Sultan Mhamud Ghaznavi's son-in-law was an ismaili shia

Mughal: Shias were not oppressed.

In all those period shias were oppressed, go and read history my friend.

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Easy.

Most Iraqi's hated Saddam.

Most Syrians love Bashar.

Just because there are a couple of you that don't like him (I'm guessing it's because you can't stand the thought of a non-Wahhabi in power) doesn't mean the majority of Syrians think the same way.

hahaha you are very funny... you should be a comedian!

We, the Syrians had hope that he would be different from his father. But no, he is worse. So no, no one in Syria likes him, except for his Shabiha thugs who love to mutilate children. Even the minorities are scared of him.

So according to you, we don't like him because he's a non wahabbi? Thanks for the info, I thought that the 85%+ of Syrians who oppose him did so because he's a bloodthirsty murderer. Oh, and I didn't know that the majority of Syrians were wahabbi... that's a new one I didn't hear before....

To sum it up: seek help, because your lies are sickening. I just hope you don't believe them yourself.

Nothing is different. Aside from them both bring tyrants and oppressive leaders, they are both Yazidi Kuffar. May Alah(swt) destroy them in the dunya wal akhira.

Ameen!

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Stating that most Syrians love Bashar is absurd, it would be like saying most Iraqies loved Saddam.

Didn't Saddam also win elections? Didn't people praised him in every iraqi new paper? People must of loved him...except those traitors who are supported by the West...etc? Sounds stupid? This is what people sound like when they talk about Bashar being loved, and about him being a hero.

Bashar and Saddam are dictators, one fell, the other will soon fall.

Syrians are not Wahabis, they are the friendliest Sunni country to Shias, yet Iran and Hizbollah are supporting this murderer.

Syrians loved hizbollah and Iran prior to this revolution, I doubt they will commit that same mistake after Bashar is gone.

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hahaha you are very funny... you should be a comedian!

We, the Syrians had hope that he would be different from his father. But no, he is worse. So no, no one in Syria likes him, except for his Shabiha thugs who love to mutilate children. Even the minorities are scared of him.

So according to you, we don't like him because he's a non wahabbi? Thanks for the info, I thought that the 85%+ of Syrians who oppose him did so because he's a bloodthirsty murderer. Oh, and I didn't know that the majority of Syrians were wahabbi... that's a new one I didn't hear before....

To sum it up: seek help, because your lies are sickening. I just hope you don't believe them yourself.

Ameen!

Claiming no one loves Bashar is bloody hillarious..

I dont like the guy at all and personally see him as the exact same oppressor saddam was, however, he only has one good advantage which for this TEMPORARY time (the next few years) is very curcial. This good trait is his foreign policy towards the west in general and Israel in specific.

Your claim that no one loves bashar is absolutely stupid, his country (his entire national army) is still standing firmly against the FSA (foreign salafi agents). their ability to still stand firm for years while versing tens of COUNTRIES in all their millitary might, moral support, media support and financial support..

You are a joke if you really expect people to believe this utter rubbish..

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Saddam was with and supported the salafi. Hated the shia and waged war against us.

Assad has protected the holy shrines for many years and has supported Shias.

not salafism, there was no salafism/wahabism in iraq back then - extremism in both directions was banned in iraq for the safeguarding of saddams reign

Saddam never hated the shias of iraq up until they revolted against him, Im an iraqi, from baghdad.

Similarly, Bashar never murderered sunnis/wahabis or commited genocide against anyone, up until they revolted/conspired against him...

The only reason bashar would protect the minorities is because they are his last lifeline/playing card.. he loses them and all he has are the dogs in his inner circle..

Saddam supported and loved the sunnis , Hated the shias..

Bashar supported and loved shias, Hated the sunnis..

Same [Edited Out], different smell.. Excuse the french..

They are both just as bad as each other, same magnitude just different direction and both extremes are wrong.

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They are both just as bad as each other, same magnitude just different direction and both extremes are wrong.

I agree. I just stated what I know and saw. Of course there is always more to the whole story of each situation. Both have wrongs that each side can state and they are not acceptable.

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Do you think Canada is a US puppet?

Salam,

Slightly OT:

When Jean Chrétien was PM of Canada I would have said no. Under Harper however the term "US puppet" does appear to come too close for my comfort level to completely deny.

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hahaha you are very funny... you should be a comedian!

We, the Syrians had hope that he would be different from his father. But no, he is worse. So no, no one in Syria likes him, except for his Shabiha thugs who love to mutilate children. Even the minorities are scared of him.

So according to you, we don't like him because he's a non wahabbi? Thanks for the info, I thought that the 85%+ of Syrians who oppose him did so because he's a bloodthirsty murderer. Oh, and I didn't know that the majority of Syrians were wahabbi... that's a new one I didn't hear before....

To sum it up: seek help, because your lies are sickening. I just hope you don't believe them yourself.

Ameen!

Where do you see this? You say someone lies, and then type up a ridiculous argument that is supposably true. Blood thirsty murderer?

What minority doesn't support him? Tons of people in itself support him, especially now.

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