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Abu Bakr Put Stones In His Mouth?

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Apparently people say that Abu Bakr put stones in his mouth to not talk with out thinking.

"The importance of keeping guard over what our tongue utters is so important that the Prophet (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said that he would guarantee Paradise to whoever could control his tongue and private parts from sin. The misuse of these is a common cause of being led to Jahannum. When Hazrat Abu Bakr (radi Allahu anhu) heard this, he put a large stone in his mouth to prevent himself from speaking without thinking. He would take the stone out if he had to speak, but then put it in again. How far we are from the example of the Sahabah..."

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More likely just to impress Prophet (pbuh) in his lifetime, only if the event is true. If the event is true, also shows how dumb he was and how low his comprehension of Islam was. Ever wonder why Imam Ali (as), the Ahlulbayt (as) or the real sincere sahaba never did what he did supposedly.

And as soon as the prophet passed away, he gave in to the 'world', invented false Hadith, gave arguments contrary to Quran, belied and angered Propjet's only daughter and a few years later died a cursed man.

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More likely just to impress Prophet (pbuh) in his lifetime, only if the event is true. If the event is true, also shows how dumb he was and how low his comprehension of Islam was. Ever wonder why Imam Ali (as), the Ahlulbayt (as) or the real sincere sahaba never did what he did supposedly.

And as soon as the prophet passed away, he gave in to the 'world', invented false Hadith, gave arguments contrary to Quran, belied and angered Propjet's only daughter and a few years later died a cursed man.

Please don't try to judge Abu bakr's intention... Only Allah knows, esspecially over something kinda small like this, maybe actually thought it would be a good way to learn...

I mean unless you have proof that Abu bakr would act very good in front of the Prophet (saw) but act bad in the absence of the Prophet's presence, I don't think you can claim he had that intention...

And no I'm not Sunni, but I was a few months ago :P

I do think he was bad after the Prophet (saw) died, but I don't think you can automatically claim he was bad during the Prophet (saw) lifetime...

Of course, if I'm wrong u can always correct me tho.

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Please don't try to judge Abu bakr's intention... Only Allah knows, esspecially over something kinda small like this, maybe actually thought it would be a good way to learn...

I mean unless you have proof that Abu bakr would act very good in front of the Prophet (saw) but act bad in the absence of the Prophet's presence, I don't think you can claim he had that intention...

And no I'm not Sunni, but I was a few months ago :P

I do think he was bad after the Prophet (saw) died, but I don't think you can automatically claim he was bad during the Prophet (saw) lifetime...

Of course, if I'm wrong u can always correct me tho.

Salam,

Interesting that you bring it up. Abu Bakr's eiman was weak from the day one, its not me saying, Allah(swt) testifies it in Quran.

ÅöáóøÇ ÊóäúÕõÑõæåõ ÝóÞóÏú äóÕóÑóåõ Çááóøåõ ÅöÐú ÃóÎúÑóÌóåõ ÇáóøÐöíäó ßóÝóÑõæÇ ËóÇäöíó ÇËúäóíúäö ÅöÐú åõãóÇ Ýöí ÇáúÛóÇÑö ÅöÐú íóÞõæáõ áöÕóÇÍöÈöåö áóÇ ÊóÍúÒóäú Åöäóø Çááóøåó ãóÚóäóÇ ۖ ÝóÃóäúÒóáó Çááóøåõ ÓóßöíäóÊóåõ Úóáóíúåö æóÃóíóøÏóåõ ÈöÌõäõæÏò áóãú ÊóÑóæúåóÇ æóÌóÚóáó ßóáöãóÉó ÇáóøÐöíäó ßóÝóÑõæÇ ÇáÓõøÝúáóìٰ ۗ æóßóáöãóÉõ Çááóøåö åöíó ÇáúÚõáúíóÇ ۗ æóÇááóøåõ ÚóÒöíÒñ Íóßöíãñ {40}

[9:40] If you will not aid him, Allah certainly aided him when those who disbelieved expelled him, he being the second of the two, when they were both in the cave, when he said to his companion: Grieve not, surely Allah is with us. So Allah sent down His tranquillity upon him and strengthened him with hosts which you did not see, and made lowest the word of those who disbelieved; and the word of Allah, that is the highest; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

[Pooya/Ali Commentary 9:40]

See commentary of al Baqarah: 207. As has been mentioned therein, inside the cave, the companion of the Holy Prophet, Abu Bakr, was frightened and had started crying in anguish when he heard the voices of the enemy. Then the Holy Prophet said:

"Do not fear. Allah is with us."

Compare this fear to the tranquillity of Ali described in the commentary of verse 207 of al Baqarah which was revealed to honour and glorify Ali. It also points out the fact that wherever in the Quran those who received tranquillity (sakinah) from Allah have been mentioned Abu Bakr must be excluded because his fear has been historically recorded and referred to in this verse. "His companion" (sahibihi) and the "second of the two" imply no merit. See verse 37 of Kahf in which out of the two "mutual companions" one was a believer and the other was a disbeliever.

Here's Baqarah:207 praising Imam Ali (as) valor and eiman-

æóãöäó ÇáäóøÇÓö ãóäú íóÔúÑöí äóÝúÓóåõ ÇÈúÊöÛóÇÁó ãóÑúÖóÇÊö Çááóøåö ۗ æóÇááóøåõ ÑóÁõæÝñ ÈöÇáúÚöÈóÇÏö {207}

[ 2:207] And among men is he who sells himself to seek the pleasure of Allah; and Allah is Affectionate to the servants.

[Pooya/Ali Commentary 2:207]

Thalabi, Ghazali, the author of Ahya-ul Ulum, and all the Shia commentators say that this verse was revealed to praise Ali ibna abi Talib, when he slept in the bed of the Holy Prophet, during the night of hijrat.

Immediately after the death of Abu Talib, Abu Sufyan, the chief of the branch of Umayyah, succeeded to the principality of Makka. A zealous votary of the idols, a mortal foe of the line of Hashim, he convened an assembly of the Quraysh and their allies. All tribal heads held a conference on the instigation of Abu Sufyan and Abu Jahl. It was resolved that one man from every tribe should go to the Holy Prophet's house in the darkness of the night and kill him jointly, in order to divide the guilt, and baffle the vengeance of the Bani Hashim. In the stupidity of their ignorance, they forgot that Allah is seeing, hearing, and His hand (Ali) was alive, who, from his earliest days, had committed himself to save the Holy Prophet at all costs. In the dark night, the conspirators surrounded the house of the Holy Prophet. Meanwhile, Allah commanded the Holy Prophet to leave Makka at once and go to Madina. The Holy Prophet intimated Ali of the divine plan and asked him to lie down on his bed, in order to lead the enemies into thinking that it was the Holy Prophet himself who was sleeping, thus giving him enough time to go away from Makka (unnoticed). Ali asked the Holy Prophet if his lying down in his bed would save the Holy Prophet's life, to which he answered in the affirmative. So Ali lay down on the Holy Prophet's bed, covering himself with his blanket. Ali made a willing choice of certain death, as the blood-thirsty enemies were lurking around the house to kill the Holy Prophet in his bed at any time during the night.

Ali willingly agreed to die because:

(1) in his opinion the life of the Holy Prophet was more valuable than his own;

he was absolutely certain that it was the duty of a true believer to obtain the pleasure of Allah and His messenger, even if one's life has to be bartered;

he had the peace of mind which gave him courage to sleep, while the naked swords were flashing to

strike him - a singular example of willing surrender to Allah's will;

P.S. Brother Raafiki, congratulations on accepting the truth. In Islam (Shia Islam) nobody is above critical analysis except for those who are ordained by Allah(swt) such as Prophet of Islam and 12 Aimah of Islam. Other than them, the are no holy cows here, everybody else, and specially the sahabas are and should be under the microscope because 1) they were made gods by Sunnis 2) their actions impacted so much of the events on early Islamic time period.

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Salam,

Interesting that you bring it up. Abu Bakr's eiman was weak from the day one, its not me saying, Allah(swt) testifies it in Quran.

ÅöáóøÇ ÊóäúÕõÑõæåõ ÝóÞóÏú äóÕóÑóåõ Çááóøåõ ÅöÐú ÃóÎúÑóÌóåõ ÇáóøÐöíäó ßóÝóÑõæÇ ËóÇäöíó ÇËúäóíúäö ÅöÐú åõãóÇ Ýöí ÇáúÛóÇÑö ÅöÐú íóÞõæáõ áöÕóÇÍöÈöåö áóÇ ÊóÍúÒóäú Åöäóø Çááóøåó ãóÚóäóÇ ۖ ÝóÃóäúÒóáó Çááóøåõ ÓóßöíäóÊóåõ Úóáóíúåö æóÃóíóøÏóåõ ÈöÌõäõæÏò áóãú ÊóÑóæúåóÇ æóÌóÚóáó ßóáöãóÉó ÇáóøÐöíäó ßóÝóÑõæÇ ÇáÓõøÝúáóìٰ ۗ æóßóáöãóÉõ Çááóøåö åöíó ÇáúÚõáúíóÇ ۗ æóÇááóøåõ ÚóÒöíÒñ Íóßöíãñ {40}

[9:40] If you will not aid him, Allah certainly aided him when those who disbelieved expelled him, he being the second of the two, when they were both in the cave, when he said to his companion: Grieve not, surely Allah is with us. So Allah sent down His tranquillity upon him and strengthened him with hosts which you did not see, and made lowest the word of those who disbelieved; and the word of Allah, that is the highest; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

[Pooya/Ali Commentary 9:40]

See commentary of al Baqarah: 207. As has been mentioned therein, inside the cave, the companion of the Holy Prophet, Abu Bakr, was frightened and had started crying in anguish when he heard the voices of the enemy. Then the Holy Prophet said:

"Do not fear. Allah is with us."

Compare this fear to the tranquillity of Ali described in the commentary of verse 207 of al Baqarah which was revealed to honour and glorify Ali. It also points out the fact that wherever in the Quran those who received tranquillity (sakinah) from Allah have been mentioned Abu Bakr must be excluded because his fear has been historically recorded and referred to in this verse. "His companion" (sahibihi) and the "second of the two" imply no merit. See verse 37 of Kahf in which out of the two "mutual companions" one was a believer and the other was a disbeliever.

Here's Baqarah:207 praising Imam Ali (as) valor and eiman-

æóãöäó ÇáäóøÇÓö ãóäú íóÔúÑöí äóÝúÓóåõ ÇÈúÊöÛóÇÁó ãóÑúÖóÇÊö Çááóøåö ۗ æóÇááóøåõ ÑóÁõæÝñ ÈöÇáúÚöÈóÇÏö {207}

[ 2:207] And among men is he who sells himself to seek the pleasure of Allah; and Allah is Affectionate to the servants.

[Pooya/Ali Commentary 2:207]

Thalabi, Ghazali, the author of Ahya-ul Ulum, and all the Shia commentators say that this verse was revealed to praise Ali ibna abi Talib, when he slept in the bed of the Holy Prophet, during the night of hijrat.

Immediately after the death of Abu Talib, Abu Sufyan, the chief of the branch of Umayyah, succeeded to the principality of Makka. A zealous votary of the idols, a mortal foe of the line of Hashim, he convened an assembly of the Quraysh and their allies. All tribal heads held a conference on the instigation of Abu Sufyan and Abu Jahl. It was resolved that one man from every tribe should go to the Holy Prophet's house in the darkness of the night and kill him jointly, in order to divide the guilt, and baffle the vengeance of the Bani Hashim. In the stupidity of their ignorance, they forgot that Allah is seeing, hearing, and His hand (Ali) was alive, who, from his earliest days, had committed himself to save the Holy Prophet at all costs. In the dark night, the conspirators surrounded the house of the Holy Prophet. Meanwhile, Allah commanded the Holy Prophet to leave Makka at once and go to Madina. The Holy Prophet intimated Ali of the divine plan and asked him to lie down on his bed, in order to lead the enemies into thinking that it was the Holy Prophet himself who was sleeping, thus giving him enough time to go away from Makka (unnoticed). Ali asked the Holy Prophet if his lying down in his bed would save the Holy Prophet's life, to which he answered in the affirmative. So Ali lay down on the Holy Prophet's bed, covering himself with his blanket. Ali made a willing choice of certain death, as the blood-thirsty enemies were lurking around the house to kill the Holy Prophet in his bed at any time during the night.

Ali willingly agreed to die because:

(1) in his opinion the life of the Holy Prophet was more valuable than his own;

he was absolutely certain that it was the duty of a true believer to obtain the pleasure of Allah and His messenger, even if one's life has to be bartered;

he had the peace of mind which gave him courage to sleep, while the naked swords were flashing to

strike him - a singular example of willing surrender to Allah's will;

P.S. Brother Raafiki, congratulations on accepting the truth. In Islam (Shia Islam) nobody is above critical analysis except for those who are ordained by Allah(swt) such as Prophet of Islam and 12 Aimah of Islam. Other than them, the are no holy cows here, everybody else, and specially the sahabas are and should be under the microscope because 1) they were made gods by Sunnis 2) their actions impacted so much of the events on early Islamic time period.

Wallikum asalam,

Your post does prove that Imam Ali (as) was a way better Sahabi than Abu bakr (mA, JAK for taking the time to write that (: ) but I dont think it proves that Abu bakr would only try to impress the Prophet (saw), I mean, crying doesn't really impress anyone. But thanks for posting because I hadnt read the exact tafsir for surah kaf, I had only heard about it.

And you can use a lot of arguments against Abu bakr but I don't think that would be one of them.

And JAK (: but I'm a sister lol

Tho I have to say, having Allah (swt) write something bad about u in the Quran is really embarrassing :o

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Salam,

Interesting that you bring it up. Abu Bakr's eiman was weak from the day one, its not me saying, Allah(swt) testifies it in Quran.

ÅöáóøÇ ÊóäúÕõÑõæåõ ÝóÞóÏú äóÕóÑóåõ Çááóøåõ ÅöÐú ÃóÎúÑóÌóåõ ÇáóøÐöíäó ßóÝóÑõæÇ ËóÇäöíó ÇËúäóíúäö ÅöÐú åõãóÇ Ýöí ÇáúÛóÇÑö ÅöÐú íóÞõæáõ áöÕóÇÍöÈöåö áóÇ ÊóÍúÒóäú Åöäóø Çááóøåó ãóÚóäóÇ ۖ ÝóÃóäúÒóáó Çááóøåõ ÓóßöíäóÊóåõ Úóáóíúåö æóÃóíóøÏóåõ ÈöÌõäõæÏò áóãú ÊóÑóæúåóÇ æóÌóÚóáó ßóáöãóÉó ÇáóøÐöíäó ßóÝóÑõæÇ ÇáÓõøÝúáóìٰ ۗ æóßóáöãóÉõ Çááóøåö åöíó ÇáúÚõáúíóÇ ۗ æóÇááóøåõ ÚóÒöíÒñ Íóßöíãñ {40}

[9:40] If you will not aid him, Allah certainly aided him when those who disbelieved expelled him, he being the second of the two, when they were both in the cave, when he said to his companion: Grieve not, surely Allah is with us. So Allah sent down His tranquillity upon him and strengthened him with hosts which you did not see, and made lowest the word of those who disbelieved; and the word of Allah, that is the highest; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

[Pooya/Ali Commentary 9:40]

See commentary of al Baqarah: 207. As has been mentioned therein, inside the cave, the companion of the Holy Prophet, Abu Bakr, was frightened and had started crying in anguish when he heard the voices of the enemy. Then the Holy Prophet said:

"Do not fear. Allah is with us."

Compare this fear to the tranquillity of Ali described in the commentary of verse 207 of al Baqarah which was revealed to honour and glorify Ali. It also points out the fact that wherever in the Quran those who received tranquillity (sakinah) from Allah have been mentioned Abu Bakr must be excluded because his fear has been historically recorded and referred to in this verse. "His companion" (sahibihi) and the "second of the two" imply no merit. See verse 37 of Kahf in which out of the two "mutual companions" one was a believer and the other was a disbeliever.

Here's Baqarah:207 praising Imam Ali (as) valor and eiman-

æóãöäó ÇáäóøÇÓö ãóäú íóÔúÑöí äóÝúÓóåõ ÇÈúÊöÛóÇÁó ãóÑúÖóÇÊö Çááóøåö ۗ æóÇááóøåõ ÑóÁõæÝñ ÈöÇáúÚöÈóÇÏö {207}

[ 2:207] And among men is he who sells himself to seek the pleasure of Allah; and Allah is Affectionate to the servants.

[Pooya/Ali Commentary 2:207]

Thalabi, Ghazali, the author of Ahya-ul Ulum, and all the Shia commentators say that this verse was revealed to praise Ali ibna abi Talib, when he slept in the bed of the Holy Prophet, during the night of hijrat.

Immediately after the death of Abu Talib, Abu Sufyan, the chief of the branch of Umayyah, succeeded to the principality of Makka. A zealous votary of the idols, a mortal foe of the line of Hashim, he convened an assembly of the Quraysh and their allies. All tribal heads held a conference on the instigation of Abu Sufyan and Abu Jahl. It was resolved that one man from every tribe should go to the Holy Prophet's house in the darkness of the night and kill him jointly, in order to divide the guilt, and baffle the vengeance of the Bani Hashim. In the stupidity of their ignorance, they forgot that Allah is seeing, hearing, and His hand (Ali) was alive, who, from his earliest days, had committed himself to save the Holy Prophet at all costs. In the dark night, the conspirators surrounded the house of the Holy Prophet. Meanwhile, Allah commanded the Holy Prophet to leave Makka at once and go to Madina. The Holy Prophet intimated Ali of the divine plan and asked him to lie down on his bed, in order to lead the enemies into thinking that it was the Holy Prophet himself who was sleeping, thus giving him enough time to go away from Makka (unnoticed). Ali asked the Holy Prophet if his lying down in his bed would save the Holy Prophet's life, to which he answered in the affirmative. So Ali lay down on the Holy Prophet's bed, covering himself with his blanket. Ali made a willing choice of certain death, as the blood-thirsty enemies were lurking around the house to kill the Holy Prophet in his bed at any time during the night.

Ali willingly agreed to die because:

(1) in his opinion the life of the Holy Prophet was more valuable than his own;

he was absolutely certain that it was the duty of a true believer to obtain the pleasure of Allah and His messenger, even if one's life has to be bartered;

he had the peace of mind which gave him courage to sleep, while the naked swords were flashing to

strike him - a singular example of willing surrender to Allah's will;

P.S. Brother Raafiki, congratulations on accepting the truth. In Islam (Shia Islam) nobody is above critical analysis except for those who are ordained by Allah(swt) such as Prophet of Islam and 12 Aimah of Islam. Other than them, the are no holy cows here, everybody else, and specially the sahabas are and should be under the microscope because 1) they were made gods by Sunnis 2) their actions impacted so much of the events on early Islamic time period.

Actually a brother just informed me of bad things Abu bakr did while the Prophet (saw) was alive, so I suppose you might be right, sorry :S

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Abu Bakr and Umar referred to in the Quran according to Bukhari

Surah 49 AL Hujjurat: Ayat 1-3

ÈöÓۡãö ٱááåö ٱáÑóøÍۡãóÜٰäö ٱáÑóøÍöíãö

íóÜٰٓÃóíõøÀóÇ ٱáóøÐöíäó ÁóÇãóäõæÇú áóÇ ÊõÞóÏöøãõæÇú Èóíۡäó íóÏóìö ٱááóøåö æóÑóÓõæáöåöۦ‌ۖ æóٱÊóøÞõæÇú ٱááóøåó‌ۚ Åöäóø ٱááóøåó ÓóãöíÚñ Úóáöíãñ۬ (1) íóÜٰٓÃóíõøÀóÇ ٱáóøÐöíäó ÁóÇãóäõæÇú áóÇ ÊóÑۡÝóÚõæٓÇú ÃóÕۡæóٲÊóßõãۡ ÝóæۡÞó ÕóæۡÊö ٱáäóøÈöìöø æóáóÇ ÊóÌۡåóÑõæÇú áóåõ ۥ ÈöٱáۡÞóæۡáö ßóÌóåۡÑö ÈóÚۡÖöڪõãۡ áöÈóÚۡÖò Ãóä ÊóÍۡÈóØó ÃóÚۡãóÜٰáõßõãۡ æóÃóäÊõãۡ áóÇ ÊóÔۡÚõÑõæäó (2) Åöäóø ٱáóøÐöíäó íóÛõÖõøæäó ÃóÕۡæóٲÊóåõãۡ ÚöäÏó ÑóÓõæáö ٱááóøåö ÃõæúáóÜٰٓٮöٕßó ٱáóøÐöíäó ٱãۡÊóÍóäó ٱááóøåõ ÞõáõæÈóÀõãۡ áöáÊóøÞۡæóìٰ‌ۚ áóåõã ãóøÛۡÝöÑóÉñ۬ æóÃóÌۡÑñ ÚóÙöíãñ (3)

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

O ye who believe! put not yourselves forward before Allah and His Messenger: but fear Allah: for Allah is He who hears and knows all things. (1) O ye who believe! Raise not your voices above the voice of the Prophet, nor speak aloud to him in talk, as ye may speak aloud to one another lest your deeds become vain and ye perceive not. (2) Those that lower their voice in the presence of Allah's Messenger― their hearts has Allah tested for piety: for them is Forgiveness and a great Reward. (3)

5.653:

Narrated Ibn Abi Mulaika:

`Abdullah bin Az-Zubair said that a group of riders belonging to Banu Tamim came to the Prophet, Abu Bakr said (to the Prophet ), "Appoint Al-Qa'qa bin Mabad bin Zurara as (their) ruler." `Umar said (to the Prophet). "No! But appoint Al-Aqra bin H`Abis." Thereupon Abu Bakr said (to `Umar). "You just wanted to oppose me." `Umar replied. "I did not want to oppose you." So both of them argued so much that their voices became louder, and then the following Divine Verses were revealed in that connection:-- "O you who believe ! Do not be forward in the presence of Allah and His Apostle..." (till the end of Verse)...(49.1)

9.405:

Narrated Ibn Abi Mulaika:

Once the two righteous men, i.e., Abu Bakr and `Umar were on the verge of destruction (and that was because): When the delegate of Bani Tamim came to the Prophet, one of them (either Abu Bakr or `Umar) recommended Al-Aqra' bin H`Abis at-Tamimi Al-Hanzali, the brother of Bani Majashi (to be appointed as their chief), while the other recommended somebody else. Abu Bakr said to `Umar, "You intended only to oppose me." `Umar said, "I did not intend to oppose you!" Then their voices grew

louder in front of the Prophet whereupon there was revealed: 'O you who believe! Do not raise your voices above the voice of the Prophet..a great reward.' (49.2-3) Ibn Az-Zubair said, 'Thence forward when `Umar talked to the Prophet, he would talk like one who whispered a secret and would even fail to make the Prophet hear him, in which case the Prophet would ask him (to repeat his words).

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For some reason, certain people seem to believe Abu Bakr and Omar were the best of the faithful, the reason being is that they were always with the Prophet at all times..and by all times I mean they would sit, stand, eat and follow him everywhere possible. I'm surprised that someone would use this as a gauge of eeman. I guess the shaytan loves us too since he's always hanging around.

Questioning the prophet constantly, doubting his religion and not taking his word unless the Quran hits them with clear words in the face...that is not signs of a believer, rather an ignorant child. If you notice most teenagers are like this. Same goes to Abu bakr and Omar.

So, someone might ask why did the Prophet not expose these so called bad sahaba..First of all the term sahaba doesn't even exist. I really don't know which smart person made this up. Has it ever been mentioned? No. The prophet mentioned the word Ashabi once, but there are no "sahaba". He never said, so and so are my sahaba and they will represent my religion after me. The only person who has ever been mentioned in this way is Imam Ali.

The reason these people were never killed or expelled is simple, the same reason the shaytan is still around. Allah wants to see if you will folllow the path of the "Maghdoob Alayhum" or Sirat al mustaqeem. It is a test which continues to this day. Sometimes we forget why we're even alive. There are of course other reasons they weren't killed at the time, but this is the main one.

These so called sahaba are in the thousand anyway, anyone who was with the prophet during his time can be counted as one. Now if you want to claim it is only the 10 tree guys who were promised heaven..another lie of course. These 10 still had wars between themselves. Imam Ali went into a war with Talha and Zubair in battle of Jamal. As a Muslim, are you telling me you can go on either side of the army and heaven is waiting for you? Just because these two sides are both promised heaven? Is that how much you don't need to even think? Do we have rocks for brains..

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