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Umar's Conversion To Islam

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An important thing to note, is that the one that protected Umar, Al-'As bin Wail, was a Kaffir, and was the enemy of the Prophet (s), and he insulted him by calling him 'abtarr', When he said this, the last verse of Surat Kawthar was revealed: "Indeed, your enemy is the one cut off." This article explains it all: http://www.revisitin...-corrupted.html

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^ their tribes and allies (regardless of religion) would protect those under their protection. Bani Hashim and their allies (who were not Muslims) defended the Prophet (saw) for some time.

Edited by Abul Hussain Hassani

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^ It doesn't matter. The man insulted the Prophet Muhammed (s). He said that he was 'abtar', meaning he would no heritage. For this, the Qur'an condemned him, and declared him to be an enemy. Don't defend him.

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This is the story I heard and keep hearing about his conversion(source http://www.al-islam....tatement/13.htm):

It is said that one day in sheer exasperation, Umar resolved to kill Muhammad, and thus to extinguish the flame of Islam itself. He left his home with this intention.

As already noted, the Muslims at this time (the last days of the year 6) still gathered in the house of Arqam bin Abi al-Arqam to say their congregational prayers. They were beginning to assemble when one of them, looking out the window, saw Umar approaching toward the house with a drawn sword. In a state of considerable alarm, he told the other members of the congregation what he saw. Presumably, they too were alarmed. But Hamza, who was also present in the house of Arqam, reassured them, and said that if Umar was coming with good intentions, then it was all right; but if not, then he (Hamza) would run him (Umar) through with his (Umar's) own sword. But it so happened that Umar had come with the intention of accepting Islam, and he did.

The story is told that Umar was going toward Dar-ul-Arqam with the intention of killing Muhammad when a passer-by stopped him, and informed him that his own sister and her husband had become Muslims, and advised him to put his own house in order before undertaking any other grandiose and chimerical project.

Muhammad Husayn Haykal

Umar went there (to Dar-ul-Arqam) resolved to kill Muhammad and thus relieve the Quraysh of its burden, restore its ravaged unity, and re-establish respect for the gods that Muhammad had castigated. On the road to Makkah he was met by Nu'aym ibn Abdullah. Upon learning what Umar was about, Nu'aym said, "By God, you have deceived yourself, O Umar! Do you think that Banu Abd Manaf would let you run around alive once you had killed their son Muhammad? Why don't you return to your own house and at least set it straight?" (The Life of Muhammad)

Umar was furious to hear that his sister and her husband had become Muslims. He immediately changed his direction from Arqam's house to her house to investigate the allegation. In reply to his questions, she gave a discreet but evasive answer.

Ibn Ishaq

Umar came to the door (of the house of his sister) as Khabbab (a companion of the Prophet) was studying under her guidance the Sura Taha and also "When the Sun is Overthrown" (81:1). The polytheists used to call this reading "rubbish". When Umar came in, his sister saw that he meant mischief and hid the sheets from which they were reading. Khabbab slipped away into the house. Umar asked what was the gibberish he had heard, to which she answered that it was merely conversation between them..." (The Life of the Messenger of God)

Umar exploded in wrath at what he believed to be a prevarication, and struck his sister in her face. The blow caused her mouth to bleed. He was going to strike again but the sight of blood made him pause. He suddenly appeared to relent, and then in a changed tone asked her to show him what she was reading. She sensed a change in him but said: "You are an unclean idolater, and I cannot allow you to touch the Word of God."

Umar immediately went away, washed himself, returned to his sister's home, read the text of Qur'an, and then went to the house of Arqam where he formally accepted Islam.

Sir William Muir says that Umar's conversion to Islam took place at the close of the sixth year of the Prophet's mission. He adds the following footnote:

It (Umar's conversion) occurred in Dhul Hijjah the last month of the year. The believers are said now to have amounted in all to 40 men and ten women; or by other accounts, to 45 men and eleven women. (The Life of Mohammed, 1877, p. 95)

Umar was about 35 years old when he became a Muslim.

Muhammad Husayn Haykal

At that time, (when he was converted to Islam) Umar ibn al Khattab was a mature man of thirty to thirty-five years of age. (The Life of Muhammad)

Many Muslims claim that with Umar's conversion, Islam recruited new strength, and Muslims were now emboldened to dare the pagans. They could, according to these claims, now come out of their places of hiding, and pray openly in the precincts of Kaaba, or rather, it was Umar himself who brought them out of their hiding places, and they were not now afraid of Abu Jahl or of anyone else.

This sounds like a total different guy from what the OP provided lol (ahadith and nonsense +1)

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So now for you guys Tabari and others are more authentic than Bukhari?

It's only because that is the popular version of the story of Umar's conversion. The hadith you have posted have been hidden by the Sunnis, because of Umar's embarrassing situation.

Edited by Dragonborn

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I really don't see how this is being used as a way to point out the negative qualities of Umar ibn Al Khattab. All that is happening here is someone whom Umar was associated with prior to his conversion, who clearly still has feelings of loyalty to Umar and their friendship, and thus protects him while everyone else was ready to rip him to shreds.

This is something converts experience all of the time with family members and friends that have their own strong feelings about Islam and Muslims, but for the sake of their relationship are willing to stand by and even defend the other. There are plenty of proofs, from our own books as well as Sunni's, that point out Umar's rap sheet. So using this to do it, is a bit silly.

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It is being used to show that Umar was no brave soul as present in sunni pop culture

Ok, so? I don't dig how Shia make it a point to show how Umar was frightened when he first converted or how he ran from the battle field.

Converting to Islam can be a dangerous experience even here in a country where religious freedom is protected by law, so I can't imagine the pressure of converting in a society where most of the local population is calling for Muslim blood as was happening at that time. Also, how many people here would be able to stand in battle, especially considering the odds they faced. Most of us would run from a verbal confrontation, let alone a wall of well trained calvary or a sea of arrows.

My point is we make attacks upon personalities as if we were children making fun of each other on the playground, pointing and laughing at how scared the other was while we pretend we are any braver. Umar committed some of the most vile and despicable acts to the Ahlul Bayt, and his actions during the Nabi's life time are no better. So if you really find a need to even make him relevant at all, address those acts, the things that actually mattered.

Edited by Dawud.

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Just like the extremists have exagerated the position of the Ahlul-Bayt, some sunnis have done the same with certain personalities such as Umar. In both cases, it's the people at fault, not the personalities involved.

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An important thing to note, is that the one that protected Umar, Al-'As bin Wail, was a Kaffir, and was the enemy of the Prophet (s), and he insulted him by calling him 'abtarr', When he said this, the last verse of Surat Kawthar was revealed: "Indeed, your enemy is the one cut off." This article explains it all: http://www.revisitin...-corrupted.html

May be the Makkan pagans were planting Umer in Islam.

Notice as soon as AbuBakr installed himself on Khilafat, they made a pact with Abu Sunfyan and made them to conquor Syria and in return install Yazid I, the elder brother of Muawiah to be the governor there. Yazid 1 died soon after the Syria campaign and Muawiah became the governor. So Umer and Abubakr practically installed Banu Ummayah clan in Islamic lands.

Edited by Waiting for HIM

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May be the Makkan pagans were planting Umer in Islam.

If you notive as soon as AbuBakr installed himself on Khilafat, they made a pact with Abu Sunfyan and made them to conquor Syria and in return install Yazid I, the elder brother of Muawiah to be the governor there. Yazid 1 died soon after the Syria campaign and Muawiah became the governor. So Umer and Abubakr practically installed Banu Ummayah clan in Islamic lands.

like conspiracy theories much?

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like conspiracy theories much?

So you think all things happen at the spur of the moment. No preplanning is involved???

Ever read the ayat in Quran, "they machinated and Allah planned, and Allah is the best of the planners" ...

Humans have never been so simplistic as some simpletons make us to believe.

Edited by Waiting for HIM

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So you think all things happen at the spur of the moment. No preplanning is involved???

Ever read the ayat in Quran, "they machinated and Allah planned, and Allah is the best of the planners" ...

That's not much of an argument. Neither Abu Bakr or Umar could tell the future and know what Muawiyah et al would get up to in the future. In fact, with that line of thinking, the Prophet (pbuh) could have quite easily put an end to their machinations himself, but after the conquest of Mecca what did he do with Abu Sufyan and Muawiyah?

And please, use the verse in context.

Humans have never been so simplistic as some simpletons make us to believe.

Irrelevant. You've already got a biased view against Abu Bakr etc, and whatever theory which portrays them negatively, is going to snapped up as some kind of gospel truth.

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It seems some shia believe Abobakr (ra) and Umar (ra) had knowledge of the unseen (ilme-ghaib) and were more knowledgeable than the Prophet (saw)? (I seek refuge with Allah from this saying)

Edited by Abul Hussain Hassani

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