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Getting Women To See Our Perspective On Hijab?

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Men always have something to complain about,nothing can shut u lot up.....

f you put a woman on a pedestal and try to protect her from the rat-race, you're a male chauvinist.

If you don't you're sexist.

If you stay home and do the housework, you're a pansy.

If she stays home and do the housework, you're oppressive.

If you work too hard there is never any time for her.

If you don't work enough, you're a good-for-nothing bum.

If she has boring repetitive job with low pay, its called "exploitation".

If YOU have a boring repetitive job with low pay.....

you should get off your *** and find something better.

If you get a promotion ahead of her, that is favoritism.

If she gets a job ahead of you, it's equal opportunity.

If you mention how nice she looks, it's sexual harassment.

If you keep quiet, it's male indifference.

If you cry, you're a wimp.

If you don't, you're an insensitive [Edited Out].

If you make a decision without consulting her, you're a chauvinist.

If she makes a decision without consulting you, she's a liberated woman.

If you ask her to do something she doesn't enjoy, that's domination.

If she asks you, it's a favor.

If you appreciate the female form and frilly underwear, you're pervert.

If you don't, you're gay.

If you like a woman to shave her legs and keep in shape, you're sexist.

If you don't, you're unromantic.

If you try to keep yourself in shape, you're vain.

If you don't, you're a slob.

If you buy her flowers, you're after something.

If you don't, you're not thoughtful.

If you're proud of your achievements, you're full of yourself.

If you're not, you're not ambitious.

If she has a headache, she's tired.

If you have a headache, you don't love her anymore.

If you want it Too often, you're oversexed.

If you don't, there must be someone else.

Edited by moooose

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If men STILL stare at us...well thats not our problem is it?

Just so no one thinks I am like the taliban, I got to say I agree with you. If your dress is decent then you have done your job and the ones who stare have issues. I just don't think the athletes are wearing covering clothing.

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when men tell sisters how to do things, and act all annoyingly holier-than-thou, this is how it feels:

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EDIT: im not attacking anyone in particular here, its just that after hearing the "wear proper hijab" lecture from guys over and over again, it gets annoying as heck.

Edited by haidernyc

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when men tell sisters how to do things, and act all annoyingly holier-than-thou, this is how it feels:

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i doubt the level righteousness of some men. im sure they look at girls too and i know some highly respected individuals that even said themselves that they try to avoid beautiful women.

the holier than though argument doesn't suit both sexes because it simply puts them at odds. what bothers me is that interests of men and women (including sexual) are downplayed to the smallest level

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when men tell sisters how to do things, and act all annoyingly holier-than-thou, this is how it feels:

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EDIT: im not attacking anyone in particular here, its just that after hearing the "wear proper hijab" lecture from guys over and over again, it gets annoying as heck.

Christians too adopted the same ideology and look where they are. If you will not tell/guide/advice your sister/relative about her hijab/cothing we will soon have a similar society to them.

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That's fine, but how about we largely leave the "how sisters should wear their hijab" advising to the sisters (particularly with regards to those who are not under your wilayat as their husband or father).

Look not every body has father/brothers, its our responsibility to dislike/discourage any thing which is obscene/bad. Like i do. I never treat nicely any girl which is not doing a hijab/acting immodest. I take it as a duty, if they she is acting as a Sl*t

she should be treated like one.

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Look not every body has father/brothers, its our responsibility to dislike/discourage any thing which is obscene/bad. Like i do. I never treat nicely any girl which is not doing a hijab/acting immodest. I take it as a duty, if they she is acting as a Sl*t

she should be treated like one.

Just because she is not fulfilling her religious obligation does not mean you abandons yours as well. It just shows you are both of the same kind, atleast she is open about it.

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Look not every body has father/brothers, its our responsibility to dislike/discourage any thing which is obscene/bad. Like i do. I never treat nicely any girl which is not doing a hijab/acting immodest. I take it as a duty, if they she is acting as a Sl*t

she should be treated like one.

Look, I don't like sloots either but some of them are nice on the inside. I have no knowledge about how to deal with women that don't wear hijab probably, but at least be a little more easy on them.

My mother told me a story of this really "nasty" slooty woman who lived in iraq a long time ago. she is what would be the equivalent of today's modern porn star (at least from my understanding). She was ridiculed and shamed and was forced to leave the city to live a life of wandering and begging. She was on a long trail between distant cities and was carrying a small amount of food when she saw a hungry, skinny, whimpering dog on the way. The dog came to her for help. She gave all that she had to eat and drink to the dog (and my mother concluded that God forgave her).

That lady had some good in her. And I being a bad person myself do more good than some religious people!

By being harsh you only make things worse.

If i misunderstood you, Im watching a game, eating, and typing.

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Look not every body has father/brothers, its our responsibility to dislike/discourage any thing which is obscene/bad. Like i do. I never treat nicely any girl which is not doing a hijab/acting immodest. I take it as a duty, if they she is acting as a Sl*t

she should be treated like one.

so if you see a woman that isn't wearing hijab you automatically treat her bad and assume she is a sl*t?

wow...I'm at a loss for words

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The world is full of male 'sluts' perving and trying to catch womens eyes, but if women pulled them up on it every time there'd be no time for anything else.

Males are different, if a male is bad its his personal thing, but when a lady is bad/immodest she will effect The whole family/children

Silvercrest..... You need to goo back to afganistain and join the talbian with that forward thinking of yours .....

I tried but they don't recruit shias. lol

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Males are different, if a male is bad its his personal thing, but when a lady is bad/immodest she will effect The whole family/children

A man bad personality will not affect his family and kids? where dose like father like son saying come from?

There are smokers who make their kids asthmatic

There drunk fathers who abuses their kids

There are drug addicts who make their kids buy the drugs for them

There are fathers who make their children flee the house

The domestic violence cases are mostly against women and children

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Look not every body has father/brothers, its our responsibility to dislike/discourage any thing which is obscene/bad. Like i do. I never treat nicely any girl which is not doing a hijab/acting immodest. I take it as a duty, if they she is acting as a Sl*t

she should be treated like one.

Bro, come on, you shouldn't talk about anyone like that or treat them differently or harshly. They are still human beings.

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Look not every body has father/brothers, its our responsibility to dislike/discourage any thing which is obscene/bad. Like i do. I never treat nicely any girl which is not doing a hijab/acting immodest. I take it as a duty, if they she is acting as a Sl*t

she should be treated like one.

I understand advising others to be better, and I'm not against men in a respectful way reminding sisters of proper hijab HOWEVER if a man is rude about it, do u think the girl will listen? Esspecially if she is immature, she will probably continue to not wear hijab just to make you angry and annoyed :P

Also, Im pretty sure the Prophet (saw) and Imams(as) didn't go around treating ladies like theyre sluts if they didn't wear proper hijab... They were much nicer than that :P

Btw I'm a hijabi myself but before I was hijabi people would occasionally tell me to wear it lol but I didn't wear it till I was ready to do it for the sake of Allah. So maybe you could also try to help a sister get ready to do it for the sake of Allah rather than for the sake of getting u off her chest (: that would be way better

Btw by helping her get ready, I don't mean to give her a bunch of books on just hijab, rather help her understand other concepts of Islam and why you should follow it in general

Edited by Raafiki

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Males are different, if a male is bad its his personal thing, but when a lady is bad/immodest she will effect The whole family/children

What kind of nonsense is that? if promiscuity is a problem in society its a clearly a male driven problem. Women wouldnt be able to use their sexuality to get things if men werent so weak and irresponsible in that regard. Historically it is universally men who lack self control with regards to sexual responsibility, leading to the multitude of social problems created by men who neglect the needs of their children or chose to disappear completely. Men are still more likely to sleep around more before marriage, spread sexual diseases, cheat in marriage and break up their families and disappear leaving the mothers to pick up the peices. Yes, women are capable of all these things (and in some areas are catching up quickly unfortunately), but the social problems caused by the run-away male libido are not comparable to the social problems caused by female libido.

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Two verses:

Yusuf Ali 24:31

And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss.

Yusuf Ali 33:59

O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Fist verse says do not even stamp your feet! This is not me nor hadith but the quran saying it. think very carefully about it. Isn't this very strict hijab ordered by the Quran? Dont even stamp your feet so that men will think about what is around your ankles? Does Quran say men are perverts or does it say to women dont even stamp your feet? Dear sisters what is your opinion on this?

Second verse the word jalabibihina is used. Which means outer garment.

Lets stop the personal bashing and now focus on what islam says. Tell me what you think of this verse.

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What kind of nonsense is that? if promiscuity is a problem in society its a clearly a male driven problem. Women wouldnt be able to use their sexuality to get things if men werent so weak and irresponsible in that regard. Historically it is universally men who lack self control with regards to sexual responsibility, leading to the multitude of social problems created by men who neglect the needs of their children or chose to disappear completely. Men are still more likely to sleep around more before marriage, spread sexual diseases, cheat in marriage and break up their families and disappear leaving the mothers to pick up the peices. Yes, women are capable of all these things (and in some areas are catching up quickly unfortunately), but the social problems caused by the run-away male libido are not comparable to the social problems caused by female libido.

Sometimes Muslim women have to put up with a lot of nonsense from the male Muslim population. Some of the men/boys online/offline can be pretty misogynists.

Thank god we have our fathers, brothers and husbands.

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