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sorry, had to remove the (as) and the (pbuh)

http://realtashayyu....m-to-women.html

Saying Salam to women

ÇáßÇÝí ááßáíäí (٣٢٩ åÜ) ÇáÌÒÁ ٥ ÕÝÍÉ ٥٣٤ ÈÇÈ ÇáÊÓáíã Úáì ÇáäÓÇÁ

Kafi by Shaikh Kulaini , Volume 5, Page 534, Section on saying salam to women

(10298) - 1 - Úáí Èä ÅÈÑÇåíã¡ (Úä ÃÈíå) Úä åÇÑæä Èä ãÓáã¡ Úä ãÓÚÏÉ Èä ÕÏÞÉ¡ Úä ÃÈí ÚÈÏÇááå (Ú) ÞÇá: ÞÇá ÃãíÑ ÇáãÄãäíä (Ú): áÇÊÈÏÄæÇ ÇáäÓÇÁ ÈÇáÓáÇã æáÇ ÊÏÚæåä Åáì ÇáØÚÇã ÝÅä ÇáäÈí (Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå) ÞÇá: ÇáäÓÇÁ Úí æÚæÑÉ ÝÇÓÊÑæÇ Úíåä ÈÇáÓßæÊ æÇÓÊÑæÇ ÚæÑÇÊåä ÈÇáÈíæÊ

(10298) 1- Ali b. Ibrahim, (from his father) from Haroon b. Muslim, from Mus'adah b. Sadqah, from abi Abdullah who said: Ali said: "Do not initiate with the salam to women and do not invite them to the food, for indeed the Prophet said: "The women are inarticulate and a blemish, so cover their inarticulateness with silence and cover their blemish by (keeping them at) the homes."

ãÑÂÉ ÇáÚÞæá Ýí ÔÑÍ ÃÎÈÇÑ Âá ÇáÑÓæá ááãÌáÓí Ì ٢٠ Õ: ٣٧٣

Miratul uqool by Majlisi, Volume 20, Page 373

æ íÏá Úáì áÒæã ãäÚåä ãä ÇáÎÑæÌ Úä ÇáÈíæÊ ãä ÛíÑ ÖÑæÑÉ¡ ÅãÇ æÌæÈÇ ãÚ ÎæÝ ÇáÝÊäÉ Ãæ äÙÑåä Åáì ÇáÑÌÇá Úáì ÊÞÏíÑ ÇáÍÑãÉ¡ Ãæ ÇÓÊÍÈÇÈÇ Ýí ÛíÑ Êáß ÇáÕæÑÉ

And it evidences upon the necessity of forbidding the women from going out of their houses without need,

it is obligatory when there is fear of fitna or the women looking at men with the danger of falling into haram, otherwise it is mustahab (recommended).

(10299) - 2 - ãÍãÏ Èä íÍíì¡ Úä ÃÍãÏ Èä ãÍãÏ¡ Úä ãÍãÏ Èä íÍíì¡ Úä ÛíÇË Èä ÅÈÑÇåíã¡ Úä ÃÈí ÚÈÏÇááå (Ú) Ãäå ÞÇá: áÇÊÓáã Úáì ÇáãÑÃÉ

(10299) 2- Muhammad b. Yahya, from Ahmad b Muhammad, from Muhammad b. Yahya, from Ghiyas b. Ibrahim, from abi Abdullah that he said: "Do not say salam to the woman."

ãÑÂÉ ÇáÚÞæá Ýí ÔÑÍ ÃÎÈÇÑ Âá ÇáÑÓæá ááãÌáÓí Ì ٢٠ Õ ٣٧٤: (ÇáÍÏíË ÇáËÇäí) ãæËÞ

Miratul uqul by Majlisi, Volume 20, Page 374, Hadith 2: Muwaththaq (Reliable)

ÕÍíÍ ÇáßÇÝí áãÍãÏ ÈÇÞÑ ÇáÈåÈæÏí¡ Ì‏ ٣¡ Õ: ٧٩

Sahih al Kafi by Bahboodi, Volume 3, Page 79

ÕÍíÍ

Authentic

ãæÓæÚÉ ÃÍÇÏíË Ãåá ÇáÈíÊ (Ú) - ÇáÔíÎ åÇÏí ÇáäÌÝí - Ì ٥ - ÇáÕÝÍÉ ١٦٦

Mausu'ah ahadith ahlulbayt by Ayatullah Hadi al Najafi, Volume 5, Page 166

ÇáÊÓáíã Úáì ÇáäÓÇÁ

Saying salam to the women

٥٦٣٧] ٢ - Çáßáíäí¡ Úä Úáí [Úä ÃÈíå]¡ Úä åÇÑæä Èä ãÓáã¡ Úä ãÓÚÏÉ Èä ÕÏÞÉ¡ Úä ÃÈí ÚÈÏ Çááå (Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã) ÞÇá: ÞÇá ÃãíÑ ÇáãÄãäíä (Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã): áÇ ÊÈÏÄæÇ ÇáäÓÇÁ ÈÇáÓáÇã æáÇ ÊÏÚæåä Åáì ÇáØÚÇã ÝÅä ÇáäÈí (Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå æÓáã) ÞÇá: ÇáäÓÇÁ Úì æÚæÑÉ ÝÇÓÊÑæÇ Úíåä ÈÇáÓßæÊ æÇÓÊÑæÇ ÚæÑÇÊåä ÈÇáÈíæÊ

ÇáÑæÇíÉ ãÚÊÈÑÉ ÇáÅÓäÇÏ

[5637] 2- Al Kulaini, Ali (from his father), from Haroon b. Muslim, from Mus'adah b. Sadqah, from abi Abdullah who said: Ali said: "Do not initiate with the salam to women and do not invite them to the food, for indeed the Prophet said: "The women are inarticulate and a blemish, so cover their inarticulateness with silence and cover their blemish by (keeping them at) the homes."

The hadith consists of a reliable chain of narration

٥٦٣٨] ٣ - Çáßáíäí¡ Úä ãÍãÏ Èä íÍíì¡ Úä ÃÍãÏ Èä ãÍãÏ¡ Úä ÛíÇË Èä ÅÈÑÇåíã¡ Úä ÃÈí ÚÈÏ Çááå (Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã) Çäå ÞÇá: áÇ ÊÓáã Úáì ÇáãÑÃÉ

[5638] 3- Al kulaini, Muhammad b. Yahya, from Ahmad b Muhammad, from Muhammad b. Yahya, from Ghiyas b. Ibrahim, from abi Abdullah that he said: "Do not say salam to the woman."

æÓÇÆá ÇáÔíÚÉ (Âá ÇáÈíÊ) ÇáÍÑ ÇáÚÇãáí (1104 åÜ) ÇáÌÒÁ٢٠ ÕÝÍÉ٢٣٤

Wasail al shia by Shaikh Hurr al Amili , Volume 20, Page 234

131 Ü ÈÇÈ Çäå íßÑå ááÑÌá ÇÈÊÏÇÁ ÇáäÓÇÁ ÈÇáÓáÇã æÏÚÇÄåä Åáì

ÇáØÚÇã æÊÃßÏ ÇáßÑÇåÉ Ýí ÇáÔÇÈÉ

131- Section on the dislike for the man to initiate salam to the women and invite them to food, and the certainty of karahah (dislike/undesirability) with regards to the young women.

[ 25516 ] 1 Ü ãÍãÏ Èä íÚÞæÈ ¡ Úä Úáí Èä ÅÈÑÇåíã ¡ Úä åÇÑæä Èä ãÓáã ¡ Úä ãÓÚÏÉ Èä ÕÏÞÉ ¡ Úä ÃÈí ÚÈÏÇááå ( Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã ) ÞÇá : ÞÇá ÃãíÑ ÇáãÄãäíä ( Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã ) : áÇ ÊÈÏÃæÇ ÇáäÓÇÁ ÈÇáÓáÇã æáÇ ÊÏÚæåäø Åáì ÇáØÚÇã ¡ ÝÇäø ÇáäÈíø ( Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå ) ÞÇá : ÇáäÓÇÁ Úíø æÚæÑÉ ÝÇÓÊÑæÇ Úíåä ÈÇáÓßæÊ æÇÓÊÑæÇ ÚæÑÇÊåä ÈÇáÈíæÊ .

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[25516] 1) Muhammad b. Ya'qoob, from Ali b. Ibrahim, from Haroon b. Muslim, from Mus'adah b. Sadqah, from abi Abdullah who said: Ali said: "Do not initiate with the salam to women and do not invite them to the food, for indeed the Prophet said: "The women are inarticulate and a blemish, so cover their inarticulateness with silence and cover their blemish by (keeping them at) the homes."

[ 25517 ] 2 Ü æÚä ãÍãÏ Èä íÍíì ¡ Úä ÃÍãÏ Èä ãÍãÏ ¡ Úä ãÍãÏ Èä íÍíì ¡ Úä ÛíÇË Èä ÅÈÑÇåíã ¡ Úä ÃÈí ÚÈÏÇááå ( Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã ) ¡ Çäå ÞÇá : áÇ ÊÓáã Úáì ÇáãÑÃÉ

And from Muhammad b. Yahya, from Ahmad b Muhammad, from Muhammad b. Yahya, from Ghiyas b. Ibrahim, from abi Abdullah that he said: "Do not say salam to the woman."

ÌÇãÚ ÃÍÇÏíË ÇáÔíÚÉ - ÇáÓíÏ ÇáÈÑæÌÑÏí - Ì ٢٠ - ÇáÕÝÍÉ ٣٠٧

Jami' ahadith al shia by Ayatullah Burujerdi, Volume 20 Page 307

١٨) ÈÇÈ ßÑÇåÉ ÇÈÊÏÇÁ ÇáÑÌÇá ÇáäÓÇÁ ÈÇáÓáÇã æÏÚÇÆåä Åáì ÇáØÚÇã ÎÕæÕÇ ÇáÔÇÈÉ ãäåä

18) Section on the dislike for men to initiate the salam to women and invite them to food, especially with regards to the young women.

١٠٢٠ (١) ßÇ ٥٣٥ Ì ٥ - ãÍãÏ Èä íÍíì Úä ÃÍãÏ Èä ãÍãÏ Úä ãÍãÏ Èä íÍíì Úä ÛíÇË Èä ÅÈÑÇåíã Úä ÃÈí ÚÈÏ Çááå Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã Ãäå ÞÇá áÇ ÊÓáã Úáì ÇáãÑÃÉ

(1020) 1- [Kafi Volume 5, Page 535]- Muhammad b. Yahya, from Ahmad b Muhammad, from Muhammad b. Yahya, from Ghiyas b. Ibrahim, from abi Abdullah that he said: "Do not say salam to the woman."

١٠٢١ (٢) ßÇ ٥٣٤ Ì ٥ - Úáí Èä ÅÈÑÇåíã [Úä ÃÈíå] Úä åÇÑæä Èä ãÓáã Úä ãÓÚÏÉ Èä ÕÏÞÉ Úä ÃÈí ÚÈÏ Çááå Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã ÞÇá ÞÇá ÃãíÑ ÇáãÄãäíä Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã áÇ ÊÈÏÃæÇ ÇáäÓÇÁ ÈÇáÓáÇã æáÇ ÊÏÚæåä Åáì ÇáØÚÇã ÝÅä ÇáäÈí Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå ÞÇá ÇáäÓÇÁ Úí æÚæÑÉ ÝÇÓÊÑæÇ Úíåä ÈÇáÓßæÊ æÇÓÊÑæÇ ÚæÑÇÊåä ÈÇáÈíæÊ

(1021) 2- [Kafi Volume 5, Page 534]- Ali b. Ibrahim, (from his father) from Haroon b. Muslim, from Mus'adah b. Sadqah, from abi Abdullah who said: Ali said: "Do not initiate with the salam to women and do not invite them to the food, for indeed the Prophet said: "The women are inarticulate and a blemish, so cover their inarticulateness with silence and cover their blemish by (keeping them at) the homes."

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Salaam,

What does this mean: "The women are inarticulate and a blemish, so cover their inarticulateness with silence and cover their blemish by (keeping them at) the homes."

My english isn't 100% and google translate didn't help much, I was just curious about that part.

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some naseeha to the brothers:

Imam Sadiq (a.s) said: "God's Prophet (a.s) used to greet women and return their greetings. Ameer al-Momineen used to greet women and return their greetings, but did not like to greet young women and said that he was afraid that hearing their voices might cause him to go into a state of mind which brings him more loss than the reward he expected to get from greeting them."

dont speak to girls without a reason & dont deceive yourself to think you have one.

shaitan is the 3rd!

if imam ali was afraid of lust then who are you to not be afraid?

Who said we're not?

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Salam

Yes, i agree that boys and girls should not chat together because they might fall into sin

BUT saying saalam when you see a Hijabi girl walking in the street is VERY respectful . (especially if you're in a place where there's not a lot of muslims)

The other day, I was walking back from school and there was a random boy who said ''salam Alaikom'' to me ,just because I was in Hijab and modest.. i found out that he was a muslim because he had an arabic accent when he said it. (he looked like a boy in his 20's)

This was very respectful and kind, and i did not think bad of him at all !!! I wish everyone did that !

Edited by -Enlightened

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This idea is interesting. There certainly would be less temptation if we minimized contact with the opposite sex. But in our modern world, what does that lead to? Here may be an idea: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/07/12/data-shows-pakistan-googling-pornographic-material/

I'm not saying we should all have mixed parties where boys and girls socialize, but the more you blind someone, the more curious they become. There needs to be a balance.

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Salam

Yes, i agree that boys and girls should not chat together because they might fall into sin

BUT saying saalam when you see a Hijabi girl walking in the street is VERY respectful . (especially if you're in a place where there's not a lot of muslims)

The other day, I was walking back from school and there was a random boy who said ''salam Alaikom'' to me ,just because I was in Hijab and modest.. i found out that he was a muslim because he had an arabic accent when he said it. (he looked like a boy in his 20's)

This was very respectful and kind, and i did not think bad of him at all !!! I wish everyone did that !

Whenever I see a Sister in Hijab I feel happy knowing that they are a fellow Muslim but I never say 'Salaam Alaykum' lol, I think it's cause I am kinda shy at times, which I shouldn't be cause we are all Muslim :P

For example, I had a haircut last week and there was a Sister sitting down with her little kids and when I was paying, I could see out of the corner of my eye she keep looking up at me (Must if sensed a Muslim revert :P) I was tempted to turn around and say Salaam but even when her son nearly ran into me as I was walking out lol I didn't even say salaam to any of them. I always for some reason feel regretful for not saying it, considering its Sunnah and polite.

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Salam

Yes, i agree that boys and girls should not chat together because they might fall into sin

BUT saying saalam when you see a Hijabi girl walking in the street is VERY respectful . (especially if you're in a place where there's not a lot of muslims)

The other day, I was walking back from school and there was a random boy who said ''salam Alaikom'' to me ,just because I was in Hijab and modest.. i found out that he was a muslim because he had an arabic accent when he said it. (he looked like a boy in his 20's)

This was very respectful and kind, and i did not think bad of him at all !!! I wish everyone did that !

I thought that a man should never send salaams first unless the female says it first. This was a hadith attributed to Prophet Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã?

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Salaam,

What does this mean: "The women are inarticulate and a blemish, so cover their inarticulateness with silence and cover their blemish by (keeping them at) the homes."

My english isn't 100% and google translate didn't help much, I was just curious about that part.

women are with imperefct mind and religion

stay at home woman stay at home

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Man.. Ba3d mareed comment eb hadha el thread. What a nonsense.

ÇáäÓÇÁ äÇÞÕÇÊ ÚÞá æ Ïíä

have you not heard of this hadith before? very famouse one

ãÑ ÇáÑÓæá Õáì Çááå Úáíå æ Âáå Úáì äÓæÉ ÝæÞÝ Úáíåä ¡ Ëã ÞÇá : íÇ ãÚÔÑ ÇáäÓÇÁ ãÇ ÑÃíÊ äæÇÞÕ ÚÞæá æ Ïíä ÃÐåÈ ÈÚÞæá Ðæí ÇáÃáÈÇÈ ãäßä ¡ Åäí ÞÏ ÑÃíÊ Åäßä ÃßËÑ Ãåá ÇáäÇÑ íæã ÇáÞíÇãÉ ¡ ÝÊÞÑÈä Åáì Çááå ãÇ ÇÓÊØÚÊä ¡ ÝÞÇáÊ ÇãÑÃÉ ãäåä : íÇ ÑÓæá Çááå ãÇ äÞÕÇä ÏíääÇ æ ÚÞæáäÇ ¿ ÝÞÇá : ÃãÇ äÞÕÇä Ïíäßä ÝÈÇáÍíÖ ÇáÐí íÕíÈßä ÝÊãßË ÅÍÏÇåä ãÇ ÔÇÁ Çááå áÇ ÊÕáí æ áÇ ÊÕæã ¡ æ ÃãÇ äÞÕÇä ÚÞæáßä ÝÈÔåÇÏÊßä ¡ ÝÅä ÔåÇÏÉ ÇáãÑÃÉ äÕÝ ÔåÇÏÉ ÇáÑÌá .

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I thought that a man should never send salaams first unless the female says it first. This was a hadith attributed to Prophet Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã?

Yeah. I heard this too but haven't seen a hadith. Does anybody know?

ÇáäÓÇÁ äÇÞÕÇÊ ÚÞá æ Ïíä

have you not heard of this hadith before? very famouse one

ãÑ ÇáÑÓæá Õáì Çááå Úáíå æ Âáå Úáì äÓæÉ ÝæÞÝ Úáíåä ¡ Ëã ÞÇá : íÇ ãÚÔÑ ÇáäÓÇÁ ãÇ ÑÃíÊ äæÇÞÕ ÚÞæá æ Ïíä ÃÐåÈ ÈÚÞæá Ðæí ÇáÃáÈÇÈ ãäßä ¡ Åäí ÞÏ ÑÃíÊ Åäßä ÃßËÑ Ãåá ÇáäÇÑ íæã ÇáÞíÇãÉ ¡ ÝÊÞÑÈä Åáì Çááå ãÇ ÇÓÊØÚÊä ¡ ÝÞÇáÊ ÇãÑÃÉ ãäåä : íÇ ÑÓæá Çááå ãÇ äÞÕÇä ÏíääÇ æ ÚÞæáäÇ ¿ ÝÞÇá : ÃãÇ äÞÕÇä Ïíäßä ÝÈÇáÍíÖ ÇáÐí íÕíÈßä ÝÊãßË ÅÍÏÇåä ãÇ ÔÇÁ Çááå áÇ ÊÕáí æ áÇ ÊÕæã ¡ æ ÃãÇ äÞÕÇä ÚÞæáßä ÝÈÔåÇÏÊßä ¡ ÝÅä ÔåÇÏÉ ÇáãÑÃÉ äÕÝ ÔåÇÏÉ ÇáÑÌá .

What's the translation for this one, brother?

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ÇáäÓÇÁ äÇÞÕÇÊ ÚÞá æ Ïíä

have you not heard of this hadith before? very famouse one

ãÑ ÇáÑÓæá Õáì Çááå Úáíå æ Âáå Úáì äÓæÉ ÝæÞÝ Úáíåä ¡ Ëã ÞÇá : íÇ ãÚÔÑ ÇáäÓÇÁ ãÇ ÑÃíÊ äæÇÞÕ ÚÞæá æ Ïíä ÃÐåÈ ÈÚÞæá Ðæí ÇáÃáÈÇÈ ãäßä ¡ Åäí ÞÏ ÑÃíÊ Åäßä ÃßËÑ Ãåá ÇáäÇÑ íæã ÇáÞíÇãÉ ¡ ÝÊÞÑÈä Åáì Çááå ãÇ ÇÓÊØÚÊä ¡ ÝÞÇáÊ ÇãÑÃÉ ãäåä : íÇ ÑÓæá Çááå ãÇ äÞÕÇä ÏíääÇ æ ÚÞæáäÇ ¿ ÝÞÇá : ÃãÇ äÞÕÇä Ïíäßä ÝÈÇáÍíÖ ÇáÐí íÕíÈßä ÝÊãßË ÅÍÏÇåä ãÇ ÔÇÁ Çááå áÇ ÊÕáí æ áÇ ÊÕæã ¡ æ ÃãÇ äÞÕÇä ÚÞæáßä ÝÈÔåÇÏÊßä ¡ ÝÅä ÔåÇÏÉ ÇáãÑÃÉ äÕÝ ÔåÇÏÉ ÇáÑÌá .

Isn't the narrator "Abu Hurrayra"? I think he narrated this hadeeth and he was not a reliable person. Many suspicious ahadeeth about women, including this famous one, are narrated by him.

ÍÏËäÇ ÃÈæ ãäÕæÑ ÞÇá : ÍÏËäÇ ÃÈæ ÚÈíÏÉ ÞÇá : ÍÏËäÇ ÅÓãÇÚíá Èä ÌÚÝÑ ¡ Úä ÚãÑæ ¡ ãæáì ÇáãØáÈ ¡ Úä ÓÚíÏ ÇáãÞÈÑí ¡ Úä ÃÈí åÑíÑÉ ÞÇá : ÞÇá ÑÓæá Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã : « íÇ ãÚÔÑ ÇáäÓÇÁ ¡ ãÇ ÑÃíÊ ãä äæÇÞÕ ÚÞá æÏíä ÃÐåÈ ÈÚÞæá Ðæí ÇáÃáÈÇÈ ãäßä » ÞÇáÊ ÒíäÈ ÇãÑÃÉ ÚÈÏ Çááå Èä ãÓÚæÏ : ÃÑÃíÊ ãÇ ÓãÚÊ ãäß Ííä æÞÝÊ ÚáíäÇ ÝÞáÊ : « ãÇ ÑÃíÊ ãä äæÇÞÕ ÚÞæá ÞØ æÏíä ÃÐåÈ ÈÚÞæá Ðæí ÇáÃáÈÇÈ ãäßä » ¡ ÝãÇ äÞÕÇä ÚÞæáäÇ æÏíääÇ ¿ ÝÞÇá : « ÃãÇ ãÇ ÐßÑÊ ãä äÞÕÇä Ïíäßä ¡ ÝÇáÍíÖÉ ÇáÊí ÊÕíÈßä ¡ ÊãßË ÅÍÏÇßä ãÇ ÔÇÁ Çááå áÇ ÊÕáí æáÇ ÊÕæã » . ÞÇáÊ ÝãÇ Þæáß : « ãä äÞÕÇä Ïíäßä » ÝÞÇá « æÃãÇ ãÇ ÐßÑÊ ãä äÞÕÇä ÚÞæáßä ÝÔÇåÏÊßä º ÅäãÇ ÔåÇÏÉ ÇáãÑÃÉ äÕÝ ÔåÇÏÉ »

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Whenever I see a Sister in Hijab I feel happy knowing that they are a fellow Muslim but I never say 'Salaam Alaykum' lol, I think it's cause I am kinda shy at times, which I shouldn't be cause we are all Muslim :P

For example, I had a haircut last week and there was a Sister sitting down with her little kids and when I was paying, I could see out of the corner of my eye she keep looking up at me (Must if sensed a Muslim revert :P) I was tempted to turn around and say Salaam but even when her son nearly ran into me as I was walking out lol I didn't even say salaam to any of them. I always for some reason feel regretful for not saying it, considering its Sunnah and polite.

No I think it's fine not to say anything. Unless I'm in an Islamic center or masjid, or unless I know him, I prefer if dudes don't say salaam to me. Instinctively I become weary that they could be trying to harass me, make fun of me, or even hit on me (unfortunately some nonMuslim guys like to hit on Muslim girls by using salam as a pick-up line). And even if they are Muslim, the fact that they noticed me makes me uneasy and would prefer if they didn't say anything.

But that's just me. I suppose it depends on the circumstance. :-/

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Salaam,

What does this mean: "The women are inarticulate and a blemish, so cover their inarticulateness with silence and cover their blemish by (keeping them at) the homes."

My english isn't 100% and google translate didn't help much, I was just curious about that part.

Who knows, its an arbitrary sentence hanging in the air with no context or innate logic or reason of its own.

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I thought that a man should never send salaams first unless the female says it first. This was a hadith attributed to Prophet Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã?

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''some naseeha to the brothers:

Imam Sadiq (a.s) said: "God's Prophet (a.s) used to greet women and return their greetings.''

Whenever I see a Sister in Hijab I feel happy knowing that they are a fellow Muslim but I never say 'Salaam Alaykum' lol, I think it's cause I am kinda shy at times, which I shouldn't be cause we are all Muslim :P

For example, I had a haircut last week and there was a Sister sitting down with her little kids and when I was paying, I could see out of the corner of my eye she keep looking up at me (Must if sensed a Muslim revert :P) I was tempted to turn around and say Salaam but even when her son nearly ran into me as I was walking out lol I didn't even say salaam to any of them. I always for some reason feel regretful for not saying it, considering its Sunnah and polite.

you should have said it .

they will respect you a lot in return

whenever you see Hijabi's , Say Salaaam (except if you see them in school..cause then some might think that the guy is interested lool)

but yeah, if you see them for example in the streets ..say salaaam , its very respectful .

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Salaam,

What is wrong with smiling, being friendly, and greet other people? Even if they're non-Muslims.. I've read many hadith that it's recommended to smile and greet others. And now you show this one hadith that says don't greet women. So did all the other hadith exclude women?

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the source is Mishkat ul-Anwar fi Ghurar al-Akhbar

-Enlightened the hadith says they said salaam to women who were not young. it says they never first greeted young women.

but that's only Imam ali that didn't like greeting young women

as for the prophet, it is not specified whether he greeted young women or not , but I think he did ..otherwise they wouldn't have brought this hadith with the example of Imam ali.

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"And when you are greeted with a greeting, greet with one better than it or return it . Indeed, Allah is ever, over all things, an Accountant." Al-Nisa 4:86

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There is no need for a man to say Salam or anything to a woman he doesn't know. Women find it intrusive - for example I was in a Asian grocery shop,during Ramzan checking the freshness of some coriander when this random man (probably wahabi with his half mast shalwar) tries to start some conversation about cooking.

So I firstly gave him a dirty look thinking this dude will get the message, he didn't and then asked me who my parents were, at this stage I walked off and would have probably headbutted him if I wasn't worried about my CRB.

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Salaam,

What is wrong with smiling, being friendly, and greet other people? Even if they're non-Muslims.. I've read many hadith that it's recommended to smile and greet others. And now you show this one hadith that says don't greet women. So did all the other hadith exclude women?

As per hadiths, it is not haram nor obligatory to greet or not to greet

it is preffered for men not to start the greeting of women particularly the young ones , esp if you have no business with them

though i remember the kindest professor we had in university, old Syrian man, he used to greet us everytime he passed by us and always smiling

we didnt find that intrusive , he was like a father.

Anyways, hadiths are hadiths , men and women are adviced to minimize the interactions as much as possible.

"And when you are greeted with a greeting, greet with one better than it or return it . Indeed, Allah is ever, over all things, an Accountant." Al-Nisa 4:86

To replay to a greeting is wajib, to intiate one though is not

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As per hadiths, it is not haram nor obligatory to greet or not to greet

it is preffered for men not to start the greeting of women particularly the young ones , esp if you have no business with them

though i remember the kindest professor we had in university, old Syrian man, he used to greet us everytime he passed by us and always smiling

we didnt find that intrusive , he was like a father.

Anyways, hadiths are hadiths , men and women are adviced to minimize the interactions as much as possible.

To replay to a greeting is wajib, to intiate one though is not

I dont understand.. The Quran clearly inscribes us to say blessings upon any believer this does in no way exclude women from that list.. Salam is a supplication, it is a blessing from Allah swt It should never be taken as a way to start a conversation.. Maybe some hadiths do say it.. but when Allah commands up to send blessing, is it not logical to follow that order?

When those come to thee who believe in Our Signs say: "Peace be on you: your Lord had inscribed for Himself (the rule of) Mercy: verily if any of you did evil in ignorance and thereafter repented and amended (his conduct) lo! He is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful." Surah Anaam 6:54

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There is no need for a man to say Salam or anything to a woman he doesn't know. Women find it intrusive - for example I was in a Asian grocery shop,during Ramzan checking the freshness of some coriander when this random man (probably wahabi with his half mast shalwar) tries to start some conversation about cooking.

So I firstly gave him a dirty look thinking this dude will get the message, he didn't and then asked me who my parents were, at this stage I walked off and would have probably headbutted him if I wasn't worried about my CRB.

Good thinking. He was probably trying to pick you up!

What's a CRB?

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I dont understand.. The Quran clearly inscribes us to say blessings upon any believer this does in no way exclude women from that list.. Salam is a supplication, it is a blessing from Allah swt It should never be taken as a way to start a conversation.. Maybe some hadiths do say it.. but when Allah commands up to send blessing, is it not logical to follow that order?

When those come to thee who believe in Our Signs say: "Peace be on you: your Lord had inscribed for Himself (the rule of) Mercy: verily if any of you did evil in ignorance and thereafter repented and amended (his conduct) lo! He is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful." Surah Anaam 6:54

I know that saying salam to fellow muslims is great but it is as great as paying charity which is "mustahab" ie recommended .

I did not make up the rules, they are in the books of fiqh and akhlaq, the rules state that intiating the salam is mustahab but replaying to a salam is wajib even if you are praying(performing salat)

similarly when someone sneezes, it is mustahab for him to say alhamdullilah, but for the observer it is wajib upon him to say yarhamuka Allah .

As for greeting the women, it is wajib to answer their greetings as it is wajib upon them to answer your greetings, but it is adviced against intiating the greeting by men specially when the women are young ( i guess that would mean teens)

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Men and women both should know what limits Islam has set for them when dealing with na mahrams for e.g If u know that greeting would lead you to hand shaking with the na mahram then u shud avoid greeting na mahram, It is only permissible if there is no fear of falling into sin.

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Firstly your right, it is mustahib not wajib bas it's not the issue I am addressing. If you read the quotes I have taken from the Quran it is clear both women and men are included. Both are believers.. I have not been able to find any sort of clear reference as to where it says that Salam has restrictions on that you cannot say it to a girl. Of course if someone try's to make conversation from it then the girl can leave. Salam is a form of unity, there is enough of a separation between us so why bring in the thoughts of people and use it as a basis as to what is right and wrong in Islam? I am abit shocked about this issue.. Is there any reference you can provide me with so that I can understand more?

Allah ysalmk :)

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