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Sunnis And Shias- Can We Just Unite...?

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2 hours ago, S.M.H.A. said:

It seems like our issue is the True understanding of the Prophet of Allah(awj).

No dear, understanding of Prophet S.A.W, the issue is exactly what i wrote. 

2 hours ago, S.M.H.A. said:

Those who gave their lives, those who obeyed, and stayed loyal throughout the period before and after.

For Shaba e Karam R.A who have done this there is nothing but utmost respect in my heart.

But what to do?  Quran says "Ya aiy u  hul munafiqoon" and i wonder who are  these people? And be very clear my discussion is not about specific few but general perception about Sahaba R.A karam. That they can't do wrong !

These are harsh realities that even when a person like Molana Maddodi tried  to discuss, he was labeled Kafir and what not.

To sum it up there is a  slogan:

-Shan e Sahaba R.A zinda bad, qatil e Zahra S.A murdabad-

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hi as i read the comments most  of comments were stereotypes in all other dialogue  of sunnis & shias each sect wants to consider its supermacy to other sect & both sects have their proofs for that so when anybody do a new work!!!!!????:blabla:

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Seal of the Prophets, Prophet Muhammad al Mustafa (peace be upon him and his pure progeny) is the main issue. Tragedy of Thursday, Ghadir, Fadak, Battle of Jamal, Battle of Siffin and Karbala is the direct result of a particular understanding, which supports hijacking of the Divine Religion, and using it for political purpose. 

With this type of political islam, we see the result today in the world. Enemies will utilize these elements to undermine from within, and in the eyes of the world. 

The work, that needs to be done, is to expose the Evil.  We do that on yearly basis, i,e Azadari. Hence all the arrows are pointed towards it.(image/fiqhi/etc..).

This is not a business marketing plan or secular political issue, lets compromise for the profit and gain market share. We know, moral, ethical and principled values are not a priority in business, or geopolitics. We are here to show quarterly EPS momentum to keep the board and the shareholders happy by higher stock price. . Nor some bill or legislation that let's make a deal with the  other side to get this bill passed. I need to stay in school or keep my job to pay for the mansion and the yatch and the image so left keep it quite, go with the flow, as long as money is coming in for the new investment property and more image stuff. Compromise and ignore,who cares, as long as I am happy----and everybody gets along.  its called been smart in the new world.

But Religion of Allah(awj)  is not short term stuff that we have gotten used to in secular life.

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7 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

both sects have their proofs for that so when anybody do a new work!!!!!????

That's the thing! Every rational Alim e din on either side tells both to respect others and don't intentionally hurt other sects. Let others practice what they deem right as you on Mehshar will be answerable for your acts only. 

But our minds are too narrow for this to work. We become against Ulma of one's own sect when he talks of rationalizing and respect.

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47 minutes ago, Messam RAza said:

That's the thing! Every rational Alim e din on either side tells both to respect others and don't intentionally hurt other sects. Let others practice what they deem right as you on Mehshar will be answerable for your acts only. 

But our minds are too narrow for this to work. We become against Ulma of one's own sect when he talks of rationalizing and respect.

You are referring to local issues. Game is much bigger and sinister at the Global level. Any elements internal/external and many different variables are at play here. Local scholars are no match nor do they control the money flow which is the the life blood behind it. Leadership issues in the Muslim world, see what's going on at the top level, goepolitical/economic level Middle East will stay divided.Its in the interest of many, so the religious tension will continue. They the international and the regional powerplayers dictate what needs to be accomplished in a particular geographic area. All the nice meet and greet goes out the window when it comes to power and control of resources i.e Syria, Iraq.

It is a very very slow process, do what you can and have the capability and resources to do. We have a lot of resources, wasting their life/mind and time on frivolous and instant gratification stuff, chasing secular and modeling after apparently happy/successful/wealthy people and lifestyle. If they stop chasing the mirage we have got a lot of resources on the net. New generations will be different, so it a long term stuff. More info more visibility / exposure will have its effect. 

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1 hour ago, S.M.H.A. said:

You are referring to local issues. Game is much bigger and sinister at the Global level. Any elements internal/external and many different variables are at play here.

Yes, but dear those people at upper level need people who directly communicate with us. The respect of Imam Masjid is well known though there are PHd(s) in jammat but if somebody contradicts Imam Masjid's speech or even asks more elaboration ...oooo  one is given tag of  "Liberal".

 

1 hour ago, S.M.H.A. said:

We have a lot of resources, wasting their life/mind and time on frivolous and instant gratification stuff, chasing secular and modeling after apparently happy/successful/wealthy people and lifestyle. If they stop chasing the mirage we have got a lot of resources on the net. New generations will be different, so it a long term stuff. More info more visibility / exposure will have its effect. 

I know. But understand what i  am trying to say. I am trying to answer the question. Is it possible for Sunni and Shia to  unite without any difference. -NO ITS NOT-

We work together in offices,eat, pray and party together but 10 days of Muharram...everyone suddenly has questions. 

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frankly, i think it's the (takfiri) wahhabis that's causing havoc in muslim lands.

let's not quarrel among ourselves.

[8:46].....do not quarrel for then you will be weak in hearts and your power will depart,.....

let's not misled others

[16:25] Let them bear, on the Day of Judgment, their own burdens in full, and also (something) of the burdens of those without knowledge, whom they misled. Alas, how grievous the burdens they will bear!

don't have to unite. but let's strive as in a race with one another, towards good deeds

[5:48]....therefore strive with one another to hasten to virtuous deeds; to Allah is your return, of all (of you), so He will let you know that in which you differed;

 

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Wahhabis come under the sect of Sunnism so pls me at your own historical references. 

Shias are very very very different from wahhabis and alhamdulilah we are on the right path. 

 

I wonder why Sunnis are ignorant to the evidence by their own Sunni books and hadiths that specify that shiasm is the correct path. I am saying this with sincerity. Pls don't take offense to my comment.

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49 minutes ago, SunniBrother said:

Shias are not much different from Wahhabis. Both parties revive historical conflicts to cause Fitnah.

Not all Shias do that :( Brother I'm with you. How can I hate you or disunite with you if you love my Prophet(saws).

If Prophet(saws) was here among us today physically, he would have called us all for unity. Rest Allah will settle our differences.

Prophet(saws) always called for love and brotherhood.

Our Maraje Ayatullah Sistani (h.a) said - Sunnis are our souls.

Ayatullah Khamenei (h.a) have laid no stone unturned in uniting Muslims in Iran and elsewhere as much as possible. We (Shias and Sunnis together) celebrate Unity week in Iran and India as a mark for unity in the week when our Prophet(saws) was born.

Please don't take an underestimate of the sample of Shiachat who looks no interested in Unity. But there are many out there somewhere else in real life who are working very actively for unity.

May Allah keep us together. 

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50 minutes ago, SunniBrother said:

Shias are not much different from Wahhabis. Both parties revive historical conflicts to cause Fitnah.

Historically fitnah had begun soon  after Rauslillah  (pbuh@hf) demsie. And unfortunately it still rages on because  of what the fitnah mongers had started 1400 years ago. And as for unity, which branch of Sunnism are calling for unity?? For the 12vrs  unity is not a problem, It's more of a problem for the Sunnis. I strongly believe if any sect from sunnism call for unity they will be strongly reprimand by the other sects of Sunnis, They may denounce such sect from Sunni who want to unite with the Shia's.

For those who are calling for unity whether it be a Shia or a Sunni, what would be the basis of process of unity?? 

 

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25 minutes ago, Waseem162 said:

Not all Shias do that :( Brother I'm with you. How can I hate you or disunite with you if you love my Prophet(saws).

If Prophet(saws) was here among us today physically, he would have called us all for unity. Rest Allah will settle our differences.

Prophet(saws) always called for love and brotherhood.

Our Maraje Ayatullah Sistani (h.a) said - Sunnis are our souls.

Ayatullah Khamenei (h.a) have laid no stone unturned in uniting Muslims in Iran and elsewhere as much as possible. We (Shias and Sunnis together) celebrate Unity week in Iran and India as a mark for unity in the week when our Prophet(saws) was born.

Please don't take an underestimate of the sample of Shiachat who looks no interested in Unity. But there are many out there somewhere else in real life who are working very actively for unity.

May Allah keep us together. 

Thank you brother

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