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Sunnis And Shias- Can We Just Unite...?

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3 hours ago, shadow_of_light said:

I think the verse which says " dont curse" و لا تسبوا is very clear and easy to understand. Shias dont need to insult their enemies because they have enough strong evidence to prove their faith. Insulting is immoral and unIslamic and it is what weak illogical people choose to do.

Exactly Sister. These Cursing Machines are destroying the face of Shiism and Islam.

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2 hours ago, Mansur Bakhtiari said:

Al-Majlisi (ra) says the hadith is Sahih (Mirat al-Uqool, Volume 11, Page 77)

Sayed al-Khoei (ra) also says:

Misbah al Fuqaha Volume 2 Page 11:  It has been proven in the narrations and Ziyarat and supplications that it is permissible to curse the ones who oppose us, and that it is obligatory to disown them, and increase their insults, and accuse them, and slander them, meaning to curse them because they are from the people of innovation and doubt. 

Learn from Imams and Ziyarats. They never Ever openly cursed like you people do. They were the light of Unity. What on this earth has happened to you all??!!

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2 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

Here we go again. Because of unfortunately misguided thoughts and assumptions, the discussion/conversation has descended into name calling and insults. 

Shias who readily insult, curse and malign others are unfortunately the most cowardly of Our Shia. Ask them to defend innocent Shia being slaughtered by wahabis in Parichinar, Yemen, Syria or Iraq and they have the most convenient excuses. They personify the arrogance of Shaytan towards Adam because of self righteous over inflation of their egos. Humility is a term not native to their vocabulary.

Akhlaq, manners, respect, controlling anger, showing others the errors of their ways thru peace and kindness, these are the true legacies of Our Imams.

By all means my dear brothers demonstrate your True Nobilty thru Ahlul Bayt like actions, OR alternatively make the Ziosaudis happy and become Shaytan like and show how humans can be described in Sura AT Teen :SUMA RADADNAHO AS FALA SAFEY LEEEN. 

Brother I must say, Where ever on this earth you'l find the following of the deviant Yasir al Habib and other Wahhabi Deviants then you'll find nothing but air filled with insults, curses and Hadiths proving it. These people are the True upholder of Islam (They think so). But in reality they are the same people who are chopping Islam into pieces. Allah will deal with them inshAllah.

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How can there be unity with TWELVERS Shias? When they call every non-Twelver Muslim a Kaffir

Taken from Awail Al Maqalat:

Chapter 6

 

 

6- القول في تسمية جاحدي الإمامة و منكري ما أوجب الله تعالى للأئمة من فرض الطاعة

 

6 – Doctrine regarding the naming of someone who denies the Imamate and rejects what Allah تعالى has obligated for the Umma of the imperative of obedience

 

و اتفقت الإمامية على أن من أنكر إمامة أحد الأئمة و جحد ما أوجبه الله تعالى من فرض الطاعة فهو كافر ضال مستحق للخلود في النار و أجمعت المعتزلة على خلاف ذلك و أنكروا كفر من ذكرناه و حكموا لبعضهم بالفسق خاصة و لبعضهم بما دون الفسق من العصيان .

 

The Imamiyya agree that whoever denies the Imamate of one of the Imams and rejects what Allah تعالى has obligated him of the imperative of obedience, then he is a kafir, astray, deserving of eternity in the Fire.
 

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4 minutes ago, SunniBrother said:

How can there be unity with TWELVERS Shias? When they call every non-Twelver Muslim a Kaffir

Taken from Awail Al Maqalat:

Chapter 6

 

 

6- القول في تسمية جاحدي الإمامة و منكري ما أوجب الله تعالى للأئمة من فرض الطاعة

 

6 – Doctrine regarding the naming of someone who denies the Imamate and rejects what Allah تعالى has obligated for the Umma of the imperative of obedience

 

و اتفقت الإمامية على أن من أنكر إمامة أحد الأئمة و جحد ما أوجبه الله تعالى من فرض الطاعة فهو كافر ضال مستحق للخلود في النار و أجمعت المعتزلة على خلاف ذلك و أنكروا كفر من ذكرناه و حكموا لبعضهم بالفسق خاصة و لبعضهم بما دون الفسق من العصيان .

 

The Imamiyya agree that whoever denies the Imamate of one of the Imams and rejects what Allah تعالى has obligated him of the imperative of obedience, then he is a kafir, astray, deserving of eternity in the Fire.
 

This is not my Aqeedah and not the aqeedah of 99% of Follower of 12ver school of thought.

One more thing I'll again repeat brother. On Shiachat you can't just win for unity. Lets work in real life to make this possible as much as we can. Here people will come up with vague answers trying to justify what thet're doing is right rather to acknowledge their mistakes.

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3 hours ago, SunniBrother said:

The verse is addressing Kaffirs. Only a follower of Ibn Muljam will use that verse on Muslims. Are you calling me a Kaffir?

I'm sorry to hear that someone has implied what you are not. Do you believe in Islam? If so, you are not a kaffar. And people who say you are are just talking out of their behinds. 

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18 minutes ago, Waseem162 said:

This is not my Aqeedah and not the aqeedah of 99% of Follower of 12ver school of thought.

One more thing I'll again repeat brother. On Shiachat you can't just win for unity. Lets work in real life to make this possible as much as we can. Here people will come up with vague answers trying to justify what thet're doing is right rather to acknowledge their mistakes.

You need to address the Akhbaris from the Shia community. I am okay with Usulis but the crazy Akhbaris are causing fitnah. Even Memri Tv caught a glimpse in the rise of Shia Wahhabis.

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A clarification on the hadith on whoever rejects imamate, @SunniBrother

That hadith is related to those who understand that Imamate is the truth, but reject it willingly and out of sheer stubbornness. This hadith does not refer to those who are

A. Ignorant of the truth

B. Those who are confused about the position and status of Imamate

C. Who do not have the full information regarding the importance and the role of Imamate

D. Those who wish to seek the truth but have not found it yet. 

and etc. 

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11 minutes ago, SunniBrother said:

You need to address the Akhbaris from the Shia community. I am okay with Usulis but the crazy Akhbaris are causing fitnah. Even Memri Tv caught a glimpse in the rise of Shia Wahhabis.

Akhbaris are Jaahils. They are disowned by our entire community. Clearly stating , they are out of bounds to be considered as the follower of 12ver school of thought.

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The Imamiyya agree that whoever denies the Imamate of one of the Imams and rejects what Allah تعالى has obligated him of the imperative of obedience, then he is a kafir, astray, deserving of eternity in the Fire.
 

The rejection is how Shaytan reject to bow to Adam, he knew it is truth but because of jealousy and enviousness he reject it. 

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29 minutes ago, Waseem162 said:

Akhbaris are Jaahils. They are disowned by our entire community. Clearly stating , they are out of bounds to be considered as the follower of 12ver school of thought.

We must understand that the akhbaries are our brother in Islam, just misguided.

Their literature is extremely persuasive and even attractive to the uninitiated. This 400 yr old dead philosophy had been reintroduced by mere chance amd the pervasive way in which their literature is being freely distributed is mere coincidence. OR Yasser Habib is able to have expensive Satellite broadcasting equipment, can take over a small British town, and is viciously aggressive towards Sunnis and their leaders.

These Are paid for and planned activities designed to foment fassaad and fitnah.

The same way wahabism,qadianis, and bhai were introduced as splintering movements. So when you play into hands of the puppet master and yourself  "QUO VADIS"

Who benefits from Muslims, imamis, and shia  movements being splintered.

Who is threatened by our Unity, who has encouraged Muslims to fight amongst themselves, who would be more vulnerable if we become United.

 

always ask not just what is being said, but what is the motivation and implication of such speech.

Critical thinking skills used to be plentiful in the Muslim Ummah, let's revive that.

 

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4 hours ago, SunniBrother said:

I don't accept chainless hadiths

I didn't include the chain in english, sorry.

دَّةٌ مِنْ أَصْحَابِنَا عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ الْبَرْقِيِّ عَنْ أَبِي هَاشِمٍ دَاوُدَ بْنِ الْقَاسِمِ الْجَعْفَرِيِّ عَنْ أَبِي جَعْفَرٍ الثَّانِي

A group from our companions, from Ahmad bin Muhammad al-Barqi, from Abi Hashim Dawud bin Qasim al-Ja'fari, from Abi Ja'far the second (al-Jawad (as))

5 hours ago, Hasani Samnani said:

MY dear respected brother Mansur, the word used by The Grand Ayatullah is MUKHALIFEEN  , this does not refer our Sunnie brothers, please read the original Arabic,

Yes Sunni laymen are innocent, however their "respected figures," are not.

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28 minutes ago, Mansur Bakhtiari said:

I didn't include the chain in english, sorry.

دَّةٌ مِنْ أَصْحَابِنَا عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ الْبَرْقِيِّ عَنْ أَبِي هَاشِمٍ دَاوُدَ بْنِ الْقَاسِمِ الْجَعْفَرِيِّ عَنْ أَبِي جَعْفَرٍ الثَّانِي

A group from our companions, from Ahmad bin Muhammad al-Barqi, from Abi Hashim Dawud bin Qasim al-Ja'fari, from Abi Ja'far the second (al-Jawad (as))

Yes Sunni laymen are innocent, however their "respected figures," are not.

(2:94) Say to them, "If the abode of the Hereafter with Allah is exclusively reserved for you and not for the rest of mankind, then you should long for death, if you arc sincere in your claim."

 

If you are sincere then there's no problem in killing you Shia. Embrace the hereafter.

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