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Islam Is Not A Religion Like Any Other, Here's Why

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I live in a small country in Europe named Belgium. We have "freedom of religion". There is a strict separation between Church and State. Officially, we are a catholic country but nowadays we have mainly agnostics and atheists, our churches stay empty on sundays.

We have many different religions, and many different cultures here in Belgium. None of them posed a big problem, but Islam really is an exception.

What I have learned is that Islam is not a religion like any other. Let me explain: Most religions and most cultures are compatible with Belgian culture and law, and just fit in. Islam however, is not just a religion as how we here define "religion". Islam is a whole package. Islam contains a political system, economic system, justice, education, culture and religion.

When Muslims come to Europe to live their lives, this creates impact.

We have Police here who's job is to make sure that the citizens follow the law. People with Islamic roots are showing some kind of immunity against the police. They show this in how they behave towards the police, by not accepting the police as an authority. They literally say and admit that Allah, the Islamic God, is the only authority.

Every week there are cases of violence against police and it always shows the same pattern:

1 Muslim gets arrested, and then suddenly a group of sometimes up to 50 Muslims gather and attack the police.

This has happened so many times that the police has decided to no longer patrol certain neighborhoods, because their authority is no longer accepted there so they are just outnumbered by the ( Islamic ) civilians. I'm not speculating about the future here, this is the reality here today in 2012.

Then there is education. We have Belgian laws which guarantee a minimum level of education. It's a book full of facts that must be taught in every school, they are called the "end terms". One of those subjects is evolution. The theory of evolution must be taught in both science class and history class. Creationism is not allowed. If a teacher teaches his pupils the theory of creationism instead of evolution, then this is against the end terms.

I personally know a teacher who had the task to teach evolution to her pupils. The children with an Islamic background, we are talking about 9 and 10 year olds here, said to her: "You are talking bull[Edited Out], you are just a dumb woman, my parents tell us that we should not listen to you about this evolution [Edited Out], Allah has created us and all the animals." They are ordered by their parents to not do any homework on the theory of evolution and they deliberately fail the tests. This problem is not limited to pupils. There are 20-year olds studying to become teachers, who also deny evolution. There are various reports of Islamic teachers who got their job as a teacher, and they are teaching creationism to Islamic children, denying evolution, and not following the end terms that are actually protected by law and by separation of church and state.

They not only deny the authority of the police, they also deny our education system and its rules.

Then there is the problem of food. Islam does not accept pork as "clean" food. Therefore, they do not buy food in our supermarkets. Instead, they build their own stores which do not allow the sale of pork or alcohol. Here I have an example of one of my relatives: a family member was celebrating her birthday at work. She gave away boxes of chocolates containing alcohol. She got a complaint from an Islamic employee that she apparently had not shown respect for his "beliefs" by not having any non-Alcoholic chocolates.

This might sound like a stupid small issue but I'm trying to make a point here: I'm not talking about extremist Muslims here blowing themselves up, I am talking about the everyday Muslim.

Now economy. Belgium has banks, our banking system is interweaved with economy ( ok I know this is not the ideal period to start defending banks with all the economic mess we are into but still ... ). They do not use our banks: they keep their money in foreign banks located in Turkey, Morocco, Saudi-Arabia etc... because those banks follow certain Islamic rules. They are constantly draining and transferring money out of Europe. They do not accept our banking system because it's not compliant with the Islamic view of economy.

I know I'm writing a long text here, but I hope you are still with me, because there is an important point I want to arrive to:

Justice.

The number of hate crimes against homosexuals is increasing every year. It started a few years back with taunting and attacking homosexual persons around areas with gay bars. Since last year, the first murders of gays have happened, by Muslims. No provocation, just hate crimes, hate against gays. The gay community is aware of areas in Belgium where they are no longer safe simply because they are gay. This wasn't the case 10 years ago. Then there are the increasing reports of honor killings. Just recently, a 22 year old Belgian bared the child of her 19 year old Islamic ex-boyfriend. The family of this Muslim had arranged a wife and a marriage for him, and this child would bring a shame on the whole family. That's why he and his nephew have killed this young 22 year old girl, to save the honor of the family.

I hope I'm getting my point across here. Although Islam is being defined as a religion, it is not just that. Islam is much more, it's a whole package, it's a culture, it's an entire social system.

And it's impacting with another system. It's not impacting with Christianity, it's impacting with the Western world. We can see it slowly unfolding here in Europe. Slowly but certain.

Let me stress out that Muslims are more attached to their Islamic system, than the European people are attached to the Western system. This is because the Islamic system has a God as the authority, which is a more powerful psychological motivation, than the European people who just have the government as the authority. Muslims are therefore not showing as much indulgence as other Europeans, resulting in an increasing amount of rights for Muslims and a decreasing amount of rights for Europeans.

Other cultures and religions have had no problem with fitting in. But Islam is not just a religion. It's something different.

When "Freedom of Religion" was written in the Belgian law, it wasn't meant for something like Islam. This is the mistake and the problem that we are facing. And at this moment nobody knows how to deal with it.

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Peace to you,

Thank you for your informal post.

The reason why we follow Islamic rules and not the rules of the country is because we believe that islam is UNIVERSAL . For all mankind . It has already set our rules .. these rules do not come from our own desires or from our own creation.. they come from the eternal, divine, just, absolute entity. If everyone followed the rules of god, there would be no injustice , no stealing in the banks, no interest debts .

Praise be to the lord of the worlds .

However, I agree with some points that you made. Some muslims are disrespectful (Not all of them, but some) . We should always be open minded with the theory of evolution and other stuff .. and teach the others WHY we do not believe in such ,with the most respect .

The problem is not ''Islam'' but the problem is ''the people who represent it''. (just like the above post said)

Islam is not a reformist religion that modifies with time and culture and tries to integrate with the others.. (just like the reformist jews)

Edited by -Enlightened

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Salaam,

I'm not surprised by this post. Many are starting to think like this because they have seen the wrong version of Islam. Sharia4belgium is the most embarassing thing ever, in no way they are represting the right Islam. Abu Imran and his friends are cartoon figures, spreading their idiotic beliefs even to the Netherlands.

When you see them talk (scream), even as a Muslim you're disappointed in the way they make Islam look like a backwards religion.

Muslims assimilate, but maintain their beliefs and morals. It's not always easy, but it's possible. There are Muslims graduating from universities and accepting the teachings like evolution theory etc. It's something you accept only to learn about, but you don't have to believe in it. If you stand firm in your religion, this won't affect you.

I think it's a matter of making a distinction between the 'right' Islam, and the 'wrong' Islam. The media plays a big role in this, as they like to make Islam look like an evil, backwards, and agressive religion. They will show you Muslims 'practising' Islam on their own way, but they won't show the true ISLAM. These are two different things, if you want to know the real Islam, you will need to read about it using the right resources, but certainly don't base your opinions on the act of the Muslims. Muslims can be wrong, but Islam isn't.

It's easy to base our opinions on things we don't have full information about. If you want to know the truth about things, you will have to make an effort to get it.

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Not true. Belgian media mentions every dark skinned/foreign looking as a muslim, when it comes to crimes atleast...

Most "muslims" who commit crimes aren't even practicing muslims. Often commiting zina, drinking, stealing...bad behaviour in general.

As for evolution, I never heard any muslim curse a teacher for it, they accept but don't believe in it.

Banks...almost every muslim uses a belgian bank, some add foreign banks.

Almost every muslim blends in the belgian community/rules, they just have certain islamic laws just like the jews have theirs...

Finally, don't compare the muslim actions in belgium or any other country with Islam. If you want to learn more about it, read the Quran..............

Sharia4belgium does make you facepalm, half-brained individuals painting our entire community black...

I think it's a matter of making a distinction between the 'right' Islam, and the 'wrong' Islam. The media plays a big role in this, as they like to make Islam look like an evil, backwards, and agressive religion.

Every non-islamic country does this, as they fear how fast islam is growing. Strange how almost everyone believes 100% in the media...

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I'm really interested in Muslims in Europe and your perspective, thanks for writing this, hopefully we can see more.

I think in the west, particularly in more secular places like Belgium, people tend to be private about religion.

It feels like that here in Australia too. It's something you do privately and don't really talk about all that much or push in other peoples faces.

It seems Islam, considering how comprehensive it is, by it's very nature is a public kind of thing and this might create a lot of friction.

A lot of the things about evolution/education are things that aren't isolated to Muslims. You'll find a fair few conservative christians in the USA that share this with certain muslims (and they thought they had nothing in common).

I think a lot of the problems you stated aren't necessarily related to Islam but to culture and immigration.

Belgium is a long established country. Australia is a relatively young nation. We've seen a lot of the things you've mentioned with the various waves of immigration, first the greeks and italians were looked upon like this, then the asians and now the most recent wave of African migrants. We know migrants are often marginalised and not adequately supported. I think this is a fair share of the problem. Once Muslims spend a couple generations in Belgium, a fair few of these things just might go away.

I think also it's due to other reasons. As i've discussed in other posts (ill link them another time) Islam has never really went through a liberal phase in the same way Christianity has of late. Christianity hundreds of years ago was also fairly harsh. Indeed, Martin luther, the father of Protestantism, recommended to burn synagogues and murder Jews. Bit of dark history there...

It might be useful to remember this for a discussion of this nature though: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/No_True_Scotsman / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

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There have been a few examples in Europe's past of new religious groups taking root.

Earliest was the advent of Christianity in pagan Europe between ca. 200 and 1000 CE.

Another is the presence of Jews in Europe.

Finally there was the development of Protestantism in formerly monolithic Catholic Europe.

The Jewish experience is possibly the best parallel to compare to in terms of the perceived "foreignness" of the religion and the character of the religion as including a practical law that encompasses all aspects of life.

There are a few notable differences however to be careful of when comparing.

First, Christians had some tangible religious tie to Judaism in that the Christian Bible incorporated the Jewish scriptures. Particularly in the Protestant era, with the appearance of modern critical Bible studies and an emphasis on the average individual becoming familiar with scripture, this worked to alleviate anti-Semitism to some extent, though outbursts did still happen, notably under the Nazis and under the early Soviet period.

Islam and the Quran will always be somewhat more alien, though the featuring of prominent Jewish prophets and Jesus in the Quran are a basis for dialogue.

Second, Islam differs from Judaism in that, like Christianity, it has evangelizing tendencies and sees itself as a universal faith destined to be practised by all mankind; indeed, it is fair to say evangelism (dawa) is a duty. By contrast, Judaism is insular, destined to be perpetually a minority religion. As a result, it tends to be seen as less of a threat, aside from paranoia over Jews exercising disproportionate influence through strategic placement in positions of power.

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First I must confess something.

Although this post was made in the first person point of view; it is a repost of a blog I found online. See it here: http://www.reddit.co...ther_heres_why/

I simply wanted to share a different perspective about Islam and gauge the responses because I found the post , however disagreeable, somewhat enlightening.

You need to read the quran if you're going to talk about ISLAM; but if you're going to talk about MUSLIMS then you're right.

You can't blame islam for the ignorant muslims... what I'm saying here is that I agree with you on every point from top to bottom,

I'm a belgian muslim, I don't think my views are much different than my friends'... It just depends who you're lookin at, the media rather puts some lunatic wahabi on tv screaming "sharia for belgium" then us boring folks.

I'm glad to see an alternative viewpoint from a native Belgian. I do believe the post makes a mistake when it universalizes the whole of Belgium culture through simply one person's experience.

But we come to the crux of the argument with your statement here.

"You can't blame Islam for the ignorant muslims"

This.

This is the stance that almost an entirety of muslims take and this is something I must disagree with.

If an ideology is harmful, if the practice that it preaches is dangerous, then do I not have a right to protest that ideology? Can it not deserve blame or even criticism for what it states? I am not saying that Islam is such an ideology, I am simply trying to make the case that an Ideology can be considered responsible for moral wrongness, just as action can be deemed morally wrong.

And if Islam is such a universal system of governance; governing not only morality, buy commerce/trade, natural rights, etc. then is not worthy of blame when it falls short of what I find is necessary?

Peace to you,

The reason why we follow Islamic rules and not the rules of the country is because we believe that islam is UNIVERSAL . For all mankind . It has already set our rules .. these rules do not come from our own desires or from our own creation.. they come from the eternal, divine, just, absolute entity. If everyone followed the rules of god, there would be no injustice , no stealing in the banks, no interest debts .

Yes I agree that Islam is taken to be such an ideology, or like I said a kind of government. But when you reach outside of morality (which most religion is concerned with) and dictate commerce, rules of trade, group behaviour, etc. you then clash against different forms of governance. If I were to say something along the lines that unrestrained Capitalism is wrong because it creates vast inequality among people and promotes corruption for the want of profit; You would not object that I am in my right to make such a claim. But if I were to criticize Islam in such a way, I would be shunned as a bigot. Why so? The special treatment that Islam enjoys is because it is under the guise of religion. You hold it to be absolute and criticism thus creates a moral dispute.

Salaam,

I'm not surprised by this post. Many are starting to think like this because they have seen the wrong version of Islam.

Muslims assimilate, but maintain their beliefs and morals. It's not always easy, but it's possible.

I think it's a matter of making a distinction between the 'right' Islam, and the 'wrong' Islam. The media plays a big role in this, as they like to make Islam look like an evil, backwards, and agressive religion.

See this "rightness" and "wrongness" is very hard to spell out.

When it's a simple matter of fact, it is easily discernible; if I see a tree and claim that "there is a tree there". I am justified in making such a claim; the truth of which can be gauged in a variety of objective ways such as perception.

When it comes to an Ideology, one that is open to interpretation and reinterpretation ; the rightness and wrongness can be vague and lead to dispute/conflict.

I feel as if it is the easy to simply say "what they are practising is wrong" "they are not true Muslims"; it requires no analysis or critique about the actual content.

And then this role of the media; I've heard this over and over again.

Yes media is biased.

Yes it perpetuates controversy for the sake of entertainment.

Yet media is not not one thing; it is comprised of multiple sources and some of which strives for objectivity.

The attacks and riots that occurred following the "Innocence of Muslims" video was not perpetuated by what I would would call the mainstream US media.

Is it not the case that imams and glorified clergy used this as a means to spread their own conservative agenda?

It's easy to base our opinions on things we don't have full information about. If you want to know the truth about things, you will have to make an effort to get it.

True words.

Not true. Belgian media mentions every dark skinned/foreign looking as a muslim, when it comes to crimes atleast...

Most "muslims" who commit crimes aren't even practicing muslims. Often commiting zina, drinking, stealing...bad behaviour in general.

As for evolution, I never heard any muslim curse a teacher for it, they accept but don't believe in it.

Banks...almost every muslim uses a belgian bank, some add foreign banks.

Almost every muslim blends in the belgian community/rules, they just have certain islamic laws just like the jews have theirs...

Finally, don't compare the muslim actions in belgium or any other country with Islam. If you want to learn more about it, read the Quran..............

Sharia4belgium does make you facepalm, half-brained individuals painting our entire community black..

Every non-islamic country does this, as they fear how fast islam is growing. Strange how almost everyone believes 100% in the media...

I cannot deny or verify the details in the post. It may be the case or it may not. However I believe it does point to a stronger notion of cultural identity and clashes when one's identify does not conform with the society around it.

Again I do not understand the rational of Islam as not being blameworthy.

If it dictates behaviour in such and such a way, if it is a rule that people live their lives by then I feel as if it does and can be held liable.

It seems Islam, considering how comprehensive it is, by it's very nature is a public kind of thing and this might create a lot of friction.

I think a lot of the problems you stated aren't necessarily related to Islam but to culture and immigration.

I cannot take credit for this post but your words are appreciated. Do you believe that the cultural aspect of Islam can be critiqued?

I feel as if you're hinting at another point that has been made in recent discussions about Islam and it's role in the world.

And that is Islam's clash versus modernity. Do the rules of governance as applicable to trade/commerce/behaviour dictated 1400 years ago still apply today?

I am not talking about whether or not the moral values hold true.

Rather the cultural aspects.

Second, Islam differs from Judaism in that, like Christianity, it has evangelizing tendencies and sees itself as a universal faith destined to be practised by all mankind; indeed, it is fair to say evangelism (dawa) is a duty.

This universalism is what I find most troublesome. Universalism as dictated by a supreme being does create a strong foundation for belief.

And it seems as if one criticises one aspect of Islam then it can be taken more personally since it undermines the foundation for belief.

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salaam everyone and special thanks to N-E-R-D for making this productive post.

muslims have historically been suppressed and marginalized. they have been subject to decades of invasion and subjugation by Western Imperialism, Militarism, Capitalism, Communism, Zionism, etc etc. their region Mid East has always been a context of conflict and bloodshed and almost always westerners have had a major part and role in these conflicts. so now you have a generation of muslims with strong historical grievances and resentments towards west and your allies particularly Israel, US and NATO. you among many others in west are not certainly approve of the criminal actions of these entities but in the eye of an average muslim usually western civilization as a whole is blamed for the unspeakable atrocities that these corporate/governmental institutions have created.

add to that the fact that muslims take pride in their own distinguished religion, philosophy, culture, social norms etc etc and want to live upon them yet they have always seen themselves overwhelmingly invaded by a repressive cultural and physical tide coming from west.

once you take into account these factors you would even start sympathizing with them, because it's a natural reaction that every other culture with a similar experience would produce. but this is not to say we muslims must not act responsibly. but westerners should begin with criticizing their own historical treatment of the "lesser" nations including muslims first.

but the question of who is right or wrong and on which issues (such as gays rights or evolution) is an intellectual/philosophical topic and can't be treated from a legal/social approach, although in present time west it is.

Edited by Divine Love

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I live in a small country in Europe named Belgium. We have "freedom of religion". There is a strict separation between Church and State. Officially, we are a catholic country but nowadays we have mainly agnostics and atheists, our churches stay empty on sundays.

We have many different religions, and many different cultures here in Belgium. None of them posed a big problem, but Islam really is an exception.

What I have learned is that Islam is not a religion like any other. Let me explain: Most religions and most cultures are compatible with Belgian culture and law, and just fit in. Islam however, is not just a religion as how we here define "religion". Islam is a whole package. Islam contains a political system, economic system, justice, education, culture and religion.

When Muslims come to Europe to live their lives, this creates impact.

We have Police here who's job is to make sure that the citizens follow the law. People with Islamic roots are showing some kind of immunity against the police. They show this in how they behave towards the police, by not accepting the police as an authority. They literally say and admit that Allah, the Islamic God, is the only authority.

Every week there are cases of violence against police and it always shows the same pattern:

1 Muslim gets arrested, and then suddenly a group of sometimes up to 50 Muslims gather and attack the police.

This has happened so many times that the police has decided to no longer patrol certain neighborhoods, because their authority is no longer accepted there so they are just outnumbered by the ( Islamic ) civilians. I'm not speculating about the future here, this is the reality here today in 2012.

Then there is education. We have Belgian laws which guarantee a minimum level of education. It's a book full of facts that must be taught in every school, they are called the "end terms". One of those subjects is evolution. The theory of evolution must be taught in both science class and history class. Creationism is not allowed. If a teacher teaches his pupils the theory of creationism instead of evolution, then this is against the end terms.

I personally know a teacher who had the task to teach evolution to her pupils. The children with an Islamic background, we are talking about 9 and 10 year olds here, said to her: "You are talking bull[Edited Out], you are just a dumb woman, my parents tell us that we should not listen to you about this evolution [Edited Out], Allah has created us and all the animals." They are ordered by their parents to not do any homework on the theory of evolution and they deliberately fail the tests. This problem is not limited to pupils. There are 20-year olds studying to become teachers, who also deny evolution. There are various reports of Islamic teachers who got their job as a teacher, and they are teaching creationism to Islamic children, denying evolution, and not following the end terms that are actually protected by law and by separation of church and state.

They not only deny the authority of the police, they also deny our education system and its rules.

Then there is the problem of food. Islam does not accept pork as "clean" food. Therefore, they do not buy food in our supermarkets. Instead, they build their own stores which do not allow the sale of pork or alcohol. Here I have an example of one of my relatives: a family member was celebrating her birthday at work. She gave away boxes of chocolates containing alcohol. She got a complaint from an Islamic employee that she apparently had not shown respect for his "beliefs" by not having any non-Alcoholic chocolates.

This might sound like a stupid small issue but I'm trying to make a point here: I'm not talking about extremist Muslims here blowing themselves up, I am talking about the everyday Muslim.

Now economy. Belgium has banks, our banking system is interweaved with economy ( ok I know this is not the ideal period to start defending banks with all the economic mess we are into but still ... ). They do not use our banks: they keep their money in foreign banks located in Turkey, Morocco, Saudi-Arabia etc... because those banks follow certain Islamic rules. They are constantly draining and transferring money out of Europe. They do not accept our banking system because it's not compliant with the Islamic view of economy.

I know I'm writing a long text here, but I hope you are still with me, because there is an important point I want to arrive to:

Justice.

The number of hate crimes against homosexuals is increasing every year. It started a few years back with taunting and attacking homosexual persons around areas with gay bars. Since last year, the first murders of gays have happened, by Muslims. No provocation, just hate crimes, hate against gays. The gay community is aware of areas in Belgium where they are no longer safe simply because they are gay. This wasn't the case 10 years ago. Then there are the increasing reports of honor killings. Just recently, a 22 year old Belgian bared the child of her 19 year old Islamic ex-boyfriend. The family of this Muslim had arranged a wife and a marriage for him, and this child would bring a shame on the whole family. That's why he and his nephew have killed this young 22 year old girl, to save the honor of the family.

I hope I'm getting my point across here. Although Islam is being defined as a religion, it is not just that. Islam is much more, it's a whole package, it's a culture, it's an entire social system.

And it's impacting with another system. It's not impacting with Christianity, it's impacting with the Western world. We can see it slowly unfolding here in Europe. Slowly but certain.

Let me stress out that Muslims are more attached to their Islamic system, than the European people are attached to the Western system. This is because the Islamic system has a God as the authority, which is a more powerful psychological motivation, than the European people who just have the government as the authority. Muslims are therefore not showing as much indulgence as other Europeans, resulting in an increasing amount of rights for Muslims and a decreasing amount of rights for Europeans.

Other cultures and religions have had no problem with fitting in. But Islam is not just a religion. It's something different.

When "Freedom of Religion" was written in the Belgian law, it wasn't meant for something like Islam. This is the mistake and the problem that we are facing. And at this moment nobody knows how to deal with it.

Looks like you have learnt to copy/paste stuff from Reddit.

That thread was full of narrow-minded ridicule of us, as r/atheism generally is; you will get better responses here, and you will know that this claim is wrong.

Well majority of it is wrong.

Inlogical stuff like this is only reserved for r/atheism of Reddit, where people remove their frustrations of life on Christianity and Islam mindlessly.

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once you take into account these factors you would even start sympathizing with them, because it's a natural reaction that every other culture with a similar experience would produce. but this is not to say we muslims must not act responsibly. but westerners should begin with criticizing their own historical treatment of the "lesser" nations including muslims first.

but the question of who is right or wrong and on which issues (such as gays rights or evolution) is an intellectual/philosophical topic and can't be treated from a legal/social approach, although in present time west it is.

I do tend to agree with you that there are vast misunderstandings underlying the way in which the west and middle east view one and other. Sympathy and empathy should be the foremost response when clashes ensue. But do you ever feel as if Islam's self imposed universal nature makes it harder for it to cohesively co-exist in a non-major Islamic society?

Also I tend to think things like gay rights and teaching scientific theories are mostly in the realm of social rules and practices.

I mean notions of natural rights, legal status are mostly listed within a society's constitution.

Looks like you have learnt to copy/paste stuff from Reddit.

That thread was full of narrow-minded ridicule of us, as r/atheism generally is; you will get better responses here, and you will know that this claim is wrong.

Well majority of it is wrong.

Inlogical stuff like this is only reserved for r/atheism of Reddit, where people remove their frustrations of life on Christianity and Islam mindlessly.

Yay fellow redditor! Yes I agree that the responses in Reddit mostly affirm the topic and don't allow for any interesting discussion; and I do tend to stay away from r/atheism since it's mostly just a circle jerk. But what claim exactly do you feel is wrong?

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Hm. Islam is not a religion like any other.... So I suppose this means that it should not be subject to the same rights as other religions, right? As in, Palestine/Iraq/Afghanistan all are justified because Islam is not a religion like any other???

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Everyone else basically did a good job in answering the claims :)

Plus I doubt the Belgian police is that soft lol

Correct I wonder agar Pakistani aantankwadi belgium me aagaye to what will happen lol

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I do tend to agree with you that there are vast misunderstandings underlying the way in which the west and middle east view one and other. Sympathy and empathy should be the foremost response when clashes ensue. But do you ever feel as if Islam's self imposed universal nature makes it harder for it to cohesively co-exist in a non-major Islamic society?

Also I tend to think things like gay rights and teaching scientific theories are mostly in the realm of social rules and practices.

I mean notions of natural rights, legal status are mostly listed within a society's constitution.

why should we expect a religion to coexist with any condition? i mean why do you think islam should conform to any present context? if homosexuality is essentially a moral wrong then the social laws that allow it must change to conform with what is right. it ultimately gets us down into a ethical/philosophical discussion as to the basis of right and wrong. according to islamic view which can be objectively substantiated, human carnal desires are the source of much mischievous and corruption. thus they must be controlled and guided by the power of spirit. homosexuality is also a sexual perversion which undermines natural reproductive functions and also the universal law of attraction between the opposite natural forces.

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