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Mutah Is Bad But Misyar Is Okay

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Mutah is haraam because they believe Umar has more authority than the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and can delcare what the Prophet (pbuh) said is halal as haraam, but at the same time believe Misyar, which is essentially having a f*** buddy you don't live with and have no financial obliations to, is halal.

Go ahead Bakris, try and invent reasons why Misyar is halal but Mutah is haraam.

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How can you call the fake sahabas like this ? You don't know how much they are enjoying with their Neighbour yazid in the hell

And how can you point our the ruling of umar you just know how to insult the marathon runners that's it.

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Could you elaborate plz?

So basically, the wahabis have a book of fatawa (like our scholars books where they have fatwas wih a few questions under the fatwas to explain the fatwa further sometimes..

Here is the book of Ibn Bazz (one of the biggest wahabi clerics - their mufti) and his view on his own type of temporary marriage whereby he says it is halal for a person to marry a woman with the intention to divorce her after a specific time (WITHOUT telling the girl) and its funny because one of the questions that follow this fatwa is: Isnt this cheating the girl? he replies: No.

Here are scans of his books cover and the scan of the page of the fatwa and the question..

Book name:Masa'il Ibn Baz, Vol. 1, Pg. 185

It is found in the chapter of Nikah

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I live in a suni country but never heard misyar name not to mention Seeing someone practicing it. but yeah muthah is widely practiced by prostitutes in red light area in my city. sorry if you feel offended but its the truth from my experience

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Tell that to Allah and his holy messenger and the truthful and faithful companions of his who practiced mutah!

I will be a witness against you on that day inshallah..

Quran 33:54

Åöäóø ÇáóøÐöíäó íõÄúÐõæäó Çááåó æóÑóÓõæáóåõ áóÚóäóåõãõ Çááåõ Ýöí ÇáÏõøäúíóÇ æóÇáÂóÎöÑóÉö æóÃóÚóÏóø áóåõãú ÚóÐóÇÈðÇ ãõåöíäðÇ

Indeed, those who abuse Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this world and the Hereafter and prepared for them a humiliating punishment.

this guy should be banned to be completly frank and honest.. his 10th post and already abusing the prophet of Allah muhammad PBUH :(

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Tell that to Allah and his holy messenger and the truthful and faithful companions of his who practiced mutah!

I will be a witness against you on that day inshallah..

Quran 33:54

Åöäóø ÇáóøÐöíäó íõÄúÐõæäó Çááåó æóÑóÓõæáóåõ áóÚóäóåõãõ Çááåõ Ýöí ÇáÏõøäúíóÇ æóÇáÂóÎöÑóÉö æóÃóÚóÏóø áóåõãú ÚóÐóÇÈðÇ ãõåöíäðÇ

Indeed, those who abuse Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this world and the Hereafter and prepared for them a humiliating punishment.

this guy should be banned to be completly frank and honest.. his 10th post and already abusing the prophet of Allah muhammad PBUH :(

its not fair i told you the truth that prostitutes practice mutah in my city. Don't bring Prophet SAW in it.

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I live in a suni country but never heard misyar name not to mention Seeing someone practicing it. but yeah muthah is widely practiced by prostitutes in red light area in my city. sorry if you feel offended but its the truth from my experience

S/a

Perhaps this will help you realise how rampant Misyar is.

http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-arabia/misyar-marriages-gain-popularity-among-saudis-1.238221

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S/a

Perhaps this will help you realise how rampant Misyar is.

http://gulfnews.com/...saudis-1.238221

Dear the link you provided also depicts it as a taboo, not widely accepted by sunni muslims. Contrary to Mutah widel practiced by shias. Thanks.

Tell that to Allah and his holy messenger and the truthful and faithful companions of his who practiced mutah!

I will be a witness against you on that day inshallah..

Quran 33:54

Åöäóø ÇáóøÐöíäó íõÄúÐõæäó Çááåó æóÑóÓõæáóåõ áóÚóäóåõãõ Çááåõ Ýöí ÇáÏõøäúíóÇ æóÇáÂóÎöÑóÉö æóÃóÚóÏóø áóåõãú ÚóÐóÇÈðÇ ãõåöíäðÇ

Indeed, those who abuse Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this world and the Hereafter and prepared for them a humiliating punishment.

this guy should be banned to be completly frank and honest.. his 10th post and already abusing the prophet of Allah muhammad PBUH :(

And whats bad if prostitutes practice it? I searched whole this forum and everybody says you can do mutah with prostitutes.

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Dear the link you provided also depicts it as a taboo, not widely accepted by sunni muslims. Contrary to Mutah widel practiced by shias. Thanks.

And whats bad if prostitutes practice it? I searched whole this forum and everybody says you can do mutah with prostitutes.

It would be highly beneficial for us all to know what is your stance on Mutah?

A sunnah or not?

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It would be highly beneficial for us all to know what is your stance on Mutah?

A sunnah or not?

As Ahlus Sunnah, we believe Mut'ah to be Haraam completely based on the final ruling of the Prophet salallaahu alihi wa salam reported by Imaam Muslim in his Saheeh, no. 1406:

æÍÏËäÇ ÃÈæ ÈßÑ Èä ÃÈí ÔíÈÉ. ÍÏËäÇ ÇÈä ÚáíÉ Úä ãÚãÑ¡ Úä ÇáÒåÑí¡ Úä ÇáÑÈíÚ Èä ÓÈÑÉ¡ Úä ÃÈíåº Ãä ÑÓæá Çááå äåì Úä ãÊÚÉ ÇáäÓÇÁ íæã ÇáÝÊÍ

((And Aboo Bakr bin Abee Shaybah narrated to us that Ibn 'Aliyyah narrated to us from Mu'ammar from az-Zuhree from ar-Rabee' bin Sabrah from his father that the Messenger of Allaah prohibited Mut'ah with the women Yawm al-Fath (the day of opening of Makkah)))

So this was the final ruling of the Messenger salalalahu alaihi wa salam. The Rawaafidh will bring previous rulings when Mut'ah was made permissible but hide the dates. This is why some of the salaf used to say that when the liars were speaking with Hadeeth they would use the dates against them.

Even some of the Rawaafidh report it's prohibition:

Ñæì ÃÍãÏ Èä ãÍãÏ Èä ÚíÓì Ýí äæÇÏÑå æ ÇÈä ÅÏÑíÓ Ýí ÓÑÇÆÑå Úä ÇÈä ÃÈí ÚãíÑ Úä åÔÇã Èä ÇáÍßã Úä ÃÈí ÚÈÏ Çááå Ýí ÇáãÊÚÉ ÞÇá: ãÇ íÝÚáå ÚäÏäÇ ÅáÇ ÇáÝæÇÌÑ

((Ahmad bin Muhammad bin 'Eesaa reported in his Nawaadir and Ibn Idrees in his Saraa'ir from ibn Abee 'Umayr from Hishaam bin al-Hakamm from Abee Abdillaah (this is Ja'far as Saadiq) about Mut'ah and he said: It's not done with us except by the Fujjaar (transgressors and criminals)))

Reported in Saraa'ir of Ibn Idrees on page 483 and Al-Wasaa'il on page 456 of volume 14 and Bihaar al Anwaar of al-Majlisee 100/318

Al-Kulaynee also said in his Kaafi:

Úä ÚãÇÑ ÞÇá: ÞÇá ÃÈæ ÚÈÏ Çááå (Ú) áí æ áÓáíãÇä Èä ÎÇáÏ: ÞÏ ÍÑãÊ ÚáíßãÇ ÇáãÊÚÉ

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Mutah is haraam because they believe Umar has more authority than the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and can delcare what the Prophet (pbuh) said is halal as haraam, but at the same time believe Misyar, which is essentially having a f*** buddy you don't live with and have no financial obliations to, is halal.

Go ahead Bakris, try and invent reasons why Misyar is halal but Mutah is haraam.

I don't think you should mention the name of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the same sentence as the four letter word you partially edited out.

Terms like 'Bakris' don't exactly do much to promote cordial and reasoned dialogue either.

Anyway, I think you've shot yourself in the foot with your argument. Aside from the fact that misyar is not universally accepted by Sunnis, everything you said equally applies to mutah. So would you describe mutah in the way you described misyar marriage?

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As Ahlus Sunnah, we believe Mut'ah to be Haraam completely based on the final ruling of the Prophet salallaahu alihi wa salam reported by Imaam Muslim in his Saheeh, no. 1406:

æÍÏËäÇ ÃÈæ ÈßÑ Èä ÃÈí ÔíÈÉ. ÍÏËäÇ ÇÈä ÚáíÉ Úä ãÚãÑ¡ Úä ÇáÒåÑí¡ Úä ÇáÑÈíÚ Èä ÓÈÑÉ¡ Úä ÃÈíåº Ãä ÑÓæá Çááå äåì Úä ãÊÚÉ ÇáäÓÇÁ íæã ÇáÝÊÍ

((And Aboo Bakr bin Abee Shaybah narrated to us that Ibn 'Aliyyah narrated to us from Mu'ammar from az-Zuhree from ar-Rabee' bin Sabrah from his father that the Messenger of Allaah prohibited Mut'ah with the women Yawm al-Fath (the day of opening of Makkah)))

So this was the final ruling of the Messenger salalalahu alaihi wa salam. The Rawaafidh will bring previous rulings when Mut'ah was made permissible but hide the dates. This is why some of the salaf used to say that when the liars were speaking with Hadeeth they would use the dates against them.

Even some of the Rawaafidh report it's prohibition:

Ñæì ÃÍãÏ Èä ãÍãÏ Èä ÚíÓì Ýí äæÇÏÑå æ ÇÈä ÅÏÑíÓ Ýí ÓÑÇÆÑå Úä ÇÈä ÃÈí ÚãíÑ Úä åÔÇã Èä ÇáÍßã Úä ÃÈí ÚÈÏ Çááå Ýí ÇáãÊÚÉ ÞÇá: ãÇ íÝÚáå ÚäÏäÇ ÅáÇ ÇáÝæÇÌÑ

((Ahmad bin Muhammad bin 'Eesaa reported in his Nawaadir and Ibn Idrees in his Saraa'ir from ibn Abee 'Umayr from Hishaam bin al-Hakamm from Abee Abdillaah (this is Ja'far as Saadiq) about Mut'ah and he said: It's not done with us except by the Fujjaar (transgressors and criminals)))

Reported in Saraa'ir of Ibn Idrees on page 483 and Al-Wasaa'il on page 456 of volume 14 and Bihaar al Anwaar of al-Majlisee 100/318

Al-Kulaynee also said in his Kaafi:

Úä ÚãÇÑ ÞÇá: ÞÇá ÃÈæ ÚÈÏ Çááå (Ú) áí æ áÓáíãÇä Èä ÎÇáÏ: ÞÏ ÍÑãÊ ÚáíßãÇ ÇáãÊÚÉ

You seem to have overlooked those narrations by the companions who said it was Umar who banned Mutah and not the Beloved Prophet (s)

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Salam-O-Walikum...

Misyar is totaly different from muta?

http://islamqa.info/en/ref/82390

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http://islamqa.info/ar/ref/82390

Arabic

but muta is totaly different.

Regarding fatwa of sheikh bin baz rahimahullah this is his own view we donot have daleel of this fatwa in quran and sunnah so if u ask me about this fatwa i personaly reject this fatwa because this is against quran sannah.What Sheikh bin baz rahimahullah says according to quran and sahih hadits i accept it which against it. it is rejected by me.He is human he is not masoom he can make mistake but i love him for shake of Allah may Allah mercy upon him and upon all ulama alhe ay sunnah AMEEN

Edited by ashiq ay sahaba

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Salam-O-Walikum...

Misyar is totaly different from muta?

http://islamqa.info/en/ref/82390

English

http://islamqa.info/ar/ref/82390

Arabic

but muta is totaly different.

Regarding fatwa of sheikh bin baz rahimahullah this is his own view we donot have daleel of this fatwa in quran and sunnah so if u ask me about this fatwa i personaly reject this fatwa because this is against quran sannah.What Sheikh bin baz rahimahullah says according to quran and sahih hadits i accept it which against it. it is rejected by me.He is human he is not masoom he can make mistake but i love him for shake of Allah may Allah mercy upon him and upon all ulama alhe ay sunnah AMEEN

You may also love Yazeed then? since he wasnt a masoom for the sake of Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì?

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You may also love Yazeed then? since he wasnt a masoom for the sake of Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì?

I think you love more yazeed than you blame us of, why mentioning him in a totally irrelevant topic? Are you here for a debate or just passing judgementss about who we love and who we dont.

Edited by Kindnhumble

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I think you love more yazeed than you blame us of, why mentioning him in a totally irrelevant topic? Are you here for a debate or just passing judgementss about who we love and who we dont.

Surely a troll so have you registered first time or what was your name before you got banned ?

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When you cant answer, you ban them! gud for shiachat.com

You have not responded to my reply.

I shall write it again:

You seem to have overlooked those narrations by the companions who said it was Umar who banned Mutah and not the Beloved Prophet (s)

Why choose Narrations that say it was banned and abandon those that say it was not?

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I think you love more yazeed than you blame us of, why mentioning him in a totally irrelevant topic? Are you here for a debate or just passing judgementss about who we love and who we dont.

It is relevant, you have to see in what context it is being said.

A mufti cannot issue Fatwas as he pleases, it has to be backed up by Quran. You say the Fatwa was against Quran and has no daleel or sunnah to support it, how then does he qualify as a Mufti? On what basis is he issuing Fatwas?

He cannot afford to make mistakes in this position just because he's a maasum. Dont look at as a Shia/Sunni issue, be neutral and think about it.

Ws.

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I live in a suni country but never heard misyar name not to mention Seeing someone practicing it. but yeah muthah is widely practiced by prostitutes in red light area in my city. sorry if you feel offended but its the truth from my experience

Did you know that terrorists also get married(permanent) and there are prostitutes who also get permanently married.

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Salam-OWalikum...

Mutah Is Bad But Misyar Is Okay

ÑÞã [ 511 ] 5 : ÝÃãÇ ãÇ ÑæÇå ãÍãÏ Èä ÃÍãÏ Èä íÍíì Úä ÃÈí ÇáÌæÒÇ Úä ÇáÍÓíä Èä ÚáæÇä Úä ÚãÑæ Èä ÎÇáÏ Úä ÒíÏ Èä Úáí Úä ÂÈÇÆå Úä Úáí Úáíåã ÇáÓáÇã ÞÇá:

ÍÑã

ÑÓæá Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå áÍæã ÇáÍãÑ ÇáÇåáíÉ æäßÇÍ ÇáãÊÚÉ.

[Al Istibsar, vol 3, page 142]

Translation: And as narrated: Muhammad bin Ahmed bin Yahya - Abi al Jawza - Hussain bin Alwan - Amr bin Khalid - Zaid bin Ali - his Father (Hussain) - Ali said: The Prophet of Allah [saww] has forbidden the meat of domestic donkeys and Mutah Nikah.

S/a

The source of this last narration is from the Majmu` al-Fiqh narrated by Abu Khalid `Amr b. Khalid, an early Zaydi. While most reports about him in Imami sources are fairly neutral, stating he was a Batri, Sunni rijalis have accused him of being a fabricator. In this case, it seems highly probable that the attribution of the Majmu` to Zayd b. `Ali, which largely represents Kufan legal doctrine, was a forgery by Abu Khalid himself to give authority to his collection.

http://www.tashayyu..../muta/chapter-1

Also when you click that link, have a look at the gazillion narrations that speak about its lawfulness :)

Oh and please remember Muta is established in the Quran as is confirmed by Ibn Katheer in his tafseer :)

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Salam-OWalikum...

Mutah Is Bad But Misyar Is Okay

ÑÞã [ 511 ] 5 : ÝÃãÇ ãÇ ÑæÇå ãÍãÏ Èä ÃÍãÏ Èä íÍíì Úä ÃÈí ÇáÌæÒÇ Úä ÇáÍÓíä Èä ÚáæÇä Úä ÚãÑæ Èä ÎÇáÏ Úä ÒíÏ Èä Úáí Úä ÂÈÇÆå Úä Úáí Úáíåã ÇáÓáÇã ÞÇá:

ÍÑã

ÑÓæá Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå áÍæã ÇáÍãÑ ÇáÇåáíÉ æäßÇÍ ÇáãÊÚÉ.

[Al Istibsar, vol 3, page 142]

Translation: And as narrated: Muhammad bin Ahmed bin Yahya - Abi al Jawza - Hussain bin Alwan - Amr bin Khalid - Zaid bin Ali - his Father (Hussain) - Ali said: The Prophet of Allah [saww] has forbidden the meat of domestic donkeys and Mutah Nikah.

Did the prophet allow Misyar. No muslim can prove he did, then how dare you say it is ok, while having the title "ashique sahaba". Unless it is done with the same rules and regulations of Mutah and unless all the religious requirements of marriage are fulfilled, only then its permissible, but if there are no rights, no waiting period, marriage contract, mahr, time period mentioned, then its forbidden.

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Salam-O-Walikum...

Did u read fatwa which i post from islamqa?Misyar is that women forgive her nafaqa to husband is there any wrong with that?More details u will find in that fatwa which i posted above.Muta there is time limit

in muta wali is not compulsory

watch what did fatwa of muta with daughter of this poor women

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Salam-O-Walikum...

Did u read fatwa which i post from islamqa?Misyar is that women forgive her nafaqa to husband is there any wrong with that?More details u will find in that fatwa which i posted above.Muta there is time limit

in muta wali is not compulsory

watch what did fatwa of muta with daughter of this poor women

These videos dont prove it is Haram sir!

I remind you again when mutah is in the Quran,why do you still cling to the narrations that prohibit it? And discard those that allow it?

Would it help if I posted Ibn Katheers words from his tafseer?

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Salam-O-Walikum...

Did u read fatwa which i post from islamqa?Misyar is that women forgive her nafaqa to husband is there any wrong with that?More details u will find in that fatwa which i posted above.Muta there is time limit

in muta wali is not compulsory

watch what did fatwa of muta with daughter of this poor women

Walaikum us salaam. So what wrong if there is a time limit. The prophet never found anything wrong with it and I dont also. If Me and the women I am marrying to is ok with the time limit, then there is no problem. Forget misyaar, even the term permanent marriage should not be regarded as permanent. It ends with a time limit just as soon as divorce happens. Anyways, no point in arguing about it any further. This debate has been continuing on forever.

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Salam-O-Walikum...

if u leave doing matam then u people can think otherwise u cannot understand.U people comparing misyar with mutah which is totaly different .

im muta wali is not compulsary,in second clip that poor lady saying her daugther of just 18 years old marriage several time muta without informing here family then she get pregnant who is responsible for the pregnancy.

By the way.

Plz quote over her

from your 1st imam till the 10th imam how many time they marry muta & from whom?If we ask that will the wife of your imam mehdi will marry muta u get angry?

question asked by sheikh adnan hafazahullah that will wife of shia marry muta?

shia alim become angry and reply i will not accept u insult mehdi? muta for imam insult and for poor shia halal what deen u have

@pyaro

bring verse from quran & ibnay khatheer rahimahullah then we will continue

Haha Phir matam Tu pakka chaubis hai chaube

Lol jalte reh aise hi jal jal ke to jayega

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