Imam's (as) Know Their Followers Before Creation

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Imam's (as) know their followers before their creation

There are many narrations which say that the Allah (swt) put forth the spirits of all the creations before creation of their bodies in front of Prophet Muhammad (saww) and the Imam's (as) and made the Prophet (saww) and the Imam's (as) know those who love them and those who hate them.

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Narrated to us Hassan Bin Ali Bin Abdullah Bin Al-Mugheira, from Ubeys Bin Hashaam, from Abdul Kareem, from Sama’at Bin Mahraan who has said:

Abu Abdullah (as) said, "Amir-ul-Momineen (as) was giving a sermon in the Masjid of Al-Kufa, when a man came up and said, ‘O Amir-ul-Momineen (as), by Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì, I love you (as)."

He (as) said, You do not. He said, By Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì, I do love you.

He (as) said, You do not. He said, Yes, by Allah (swt) besides Whom there is no god but Him.

He (as) said, By Allah (swt) besides Whom there is no god but Him, you do not love Me. He said, ‘O Amir-ul-Momineen (as), I swear by Allah (swt) I love You and You swear by Allah (swt) that I do not love You, and it is as if You are informing me that You know what is in my soul?

Amir-ul-Momineen (as) got angry, and it was a great narrative that came out of Him because of him being angry. He raised His

hands towards the sky and said: How can that be, and He is our Lord Blessed and High, Who Created the souls before the bodies by a thousand years, Presented to Us the lover and the hater, for, by Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì, I did not see you among those that love Us. Where were you?

[source: Basaair Al-Darajaat, Vol. 2, Chapter. 15, Hadees. 4]

Hadees is Hasan (Reliable) as per chain of narrators.

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Narrated Ahmad ibn Muhammad and Muhammad bin Husain from Hasan bin Mahbub from Ali bin Riab from Bukayr bin Ayan who has said the following:

"Abu Ja‘far (as) would say, "Allah made our Shia to make a covenant to acknowledge our Walaya when they were small particles. It was the day when He made all particles to make a covenant to acknowledge Him as the Lord and Muhammad (saww) as the Prophet. Allah, the Most Majestic, the Most Gracious, presented to Muhammad his Umma (followers) in clay and they were shadows. He created them from the clay out of which Adam (a.s) was created. Allah created the spirits of our Shia two thousand years before their bodies were created. He presented them to the Holy Prophet (saww) and Messenger of Allah (saww) recognized them and Ali (as) recognized them and we recognize them by the tone of their speech."

[source: Basaair Al-Darajaat, Vol. 2, Chapter. 16, Hadees. 1 & Al-Kafi, Vol. 1, Pg. 438]

Hadees is Hasan (Reliable) as per chain of narrators. See Mirat Al-Uqool - Allama Majlisi, Vol. 5, Pg. 166

There are many more such narration hence the content (matn) is Mutawaatir (frequently narrated).

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[faisal786]

Salamun Alaykum,

I hope you are in the best of health and faith by the grace of God.

The above narrations do make some sense and according to hadith-e-kisaa which attests that the world was created in there love. So The Ahlulbayt being aware of the lovers and haters before there creation would make sense as they are close to Allah and have insight to whatever Allah wishes for them to have.

[Kazmi786]

Salam Alaykum WRWB.

I hope you are in Good health and faith by the grace of God.

"Allah made our Shia to make a covenant to acknowledge our Walaya when they were small particles.

The ahadith mentioned above are interesting and mind blowing but the question arises if the shia have already made a covenant with Ahlulbayt to acknowledge the walaya then what does this mean?

[Rasul]

Thanks!

[faisal786]

Ahsant!

[siraatoaliyinhaqqun]

Salamalaikum

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(The compiler of the book al khisaal narrated) that his father and Muhammad ibn al-Hassan - may God be pleased with them - narrated that Sa’ed ibn Abdullah quoted Muhammad ibn Isa ibn Ubayd and Ibrahim ibn, on the authority of Ishaq ibn Ibrahim, on the authority of Abdullah ibn Himad al-Ansari, on the authority of Sabah al-Mazny, on the authority of Harith ibn Hasira, on the authority of Al-Asbaq al-Nobatat that he had heard the Commander of the Faithful Imam Ali (MGB) say, “God’s Prophet (MGB) taught me one-thousand gates to the forbidden and the legitimate. What has been and what shall come all the way up until the Resurrection Day. Each of these gates opened up to one-thousand gates, so that they turned into one million gates. Thus, I acquired the knowledge of deaths, calamities and the Divine Decrees.

Edited September 5, 2012 by siraatoaliyinhaqqun

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(The compiler of the book al khisaal narrated) that his father and Muhammad ibn al-Hassan - may God be pleased with them - narrated that Sa'ed ibn Abdullah quoted Muhammad ibn Isa ibn Ubayd and Ibrahim ibn, on the authority of Ishaq ibn Ibrahim, on the authority of Abdullah ibn Himad al-Ansari, on the authority of Sabah al-Mazny, on the authority of Harith ibn Hasira, on the authority of Al-Asbaq al-Nobatat that he had heard the Commander of the Faithful Imam Ali (MGB) say, "God's Prophet (MGB) taught me one-thousand gates to the forbidden and the legitimate. What has been and what shall come all the way up until the Resurrection Day. Each of these gates opened up to one-thousand gates, so that they turned into one million gates. Thus, I acquired the knowledge of deaths, calamities and the Divine Decrees.

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