Abubakr In The Cave (video)- Good Reply

[hesham102001]

A very logical reply to those who say that it is an honour for Abubakr that he

was in the cave along with Holy Prophet (saws) ------ Please Watch

CLICK HERE TO WATCH THE VIDEO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5sHS_9iVz0&feature=player_embedded

[faisal786]

Salam Alaykum,

abu bakr went to the cave so that he couldn't turn back and report to the enemies of the whereabouts of the holy prophet so he took him along.

[Mohammed Amer Zeb]

But isnt Abu Bakr mentioned in the Quran as a companion of the cave.

If you help him (Muhammad SAW) not (it does not matter), for Allâh did indeed help him when the disbelievers drove him out, the second of two, when they (Muhammad SAW and Abu Bakr radhiallahu'anhu) were in the cave, and he (SAW) said to his companion (Abu Bakr radhiallahu'anhu): "Be not sad (or afraid), surely Allâh is with us." Then Allâh sent down His Sakînah (calmness, tranquillity, peace) upon him, and strengthened him with forces (angels) which you saw not, and made the word of those who disbelieved the lowermost, while the Word of Allâh that became the uppermost, and Allâh is All-Mighty, All-Wise. 9:40

[dagger_in_the_back]

well abu jahl sitting next Prophet saw is not mentioned in quran. lol, well if it is was for Hazrat Ali ra with the prophet in the cave, shias wud have boasted see RasullAllah saw left Abu bakr ra to die on his bed and took Ali ra with him.

Leave all this, today in quran we read (the verse of cave) "Allah is with us", this "us" is for sure Prophet Muhammad saw and Abu bakr ra. so every one who reads Quran says Allah is with Prophet Muhammad saw and Hazrat Abu bakr ra. (can't deny this)

Allah is with Abu Bakr ra as per Quran. who says opp, well then Allah is against them.

[Ali_Hussain]

well abu jahl sitting next Prophet saw is not mentioned in quran. lol, well if it is was for Hazrat Ali ra with the prophet in the cave, shias wud have boasted see RasullAllah saw left Abu bakr ra to die on his bed and took Ali ra with him.

Leave all this, today in quran we read (the verse of cave) "Allah is with us", this "us" is for sure Prophet Muhammad saw and Abu bakr ra. so every one who reads Quran says Allah is with Prophet Muhammad saw and Hazrat Abu bakr ra. (can't deny this)

Allah is with Abu Bakr ra as per Quran. who says opp, well then Allah is against them.

That's pretty selective quoting of the verse, Allah didn't deem abu bakr worthy to send peace upon him.

If ye help not (your leader), (it is no matter): for God did indeed help him, when the Unbelievers drove him out: he had no more than one companion;they two were in the cave, and he said to his companion, "Have no fear, for God is with us": then God sent down His peace upon him, and strengthened him with forces which ye saw not, and humbled to the depths the word of the Unbelievers. But the word of God is exalted to the heights: for God is Exalted in might, Wise. (9:40)

[DPRK_Guy]

I am hearing that Noble Prophet did not take Bakr leader, but actually Bakr leader went after Prophet already left on his own to cave.

This is like being uninvited guest.

Am I hearing correctly?

[dagger_in_the_back]

That's pretty selective quoting of the verse, Allah didn't deem abu bakr worthy to send peace upon him.

OK LETS SEE

If ye help not (your leader), (it is no matter): for God did indeed help him, when the Unbelievers drove him out: he had no more than one companion;they two were in the cave, and he said to his companion, "Have no fear, for God is with us"

prophet saw said Allah is with us ; plz explain who is this us?

: then God sent down His peace upon him

, and strengthened him with forces which ye saw not,

Him = WHO?

Prophet saw or his Companion in the cave

and humbled to the depths the word of the Unbelievers. But the word of God is exalted to the heights: for God is Exalted in might, Wise. (9:40)

waiting....

[power]

Allâh is "closer to him (the human) than [his] jugular vein."(Quran 50.16)

Does this verse apply to none Muslim? can someone clarify

[Ali_Hussain]

prophet saw said Allah is with us ; plz explain who is this us?

Him = WHO?

Prophet saw or his Companion in the cave

waiting....

This is just going to come down to a tafsir issue.

tafsir al-jalalayn

If you do not help him, that is, the Prophet (s), [know that] God has already helped him, when the disbelievers drove him forth, from Mecca, that is, they made him resort to leaving, when they desired to kill him or imprison him or banish him at the council assembly — the second of two (thāniya ithnayn: this is a circumstantial qualifier), that is, one of two, the other being Abū Bakr: in other words, just as God helped him in such a situation, He will not forsake him in another; when (idh substitutes for the previous idh) the two were in the cave — a breach in the mountain called Thawr — when (idh substituting again), he said to his companion, Abū Bakr — who, upon perceiving the [sound of the] feet of the idolaters [nearby], had said to him, ‘If one of them should merely look below his feet, he will definitely see us!’ — ‘Do not despair; verily God is with us’, assisting [us]. Then God sent down His Spirit of Peace upon him, His reassurance — some say this means upon the Prophet, others, that it means upon Abū Bakr — and supported him, that is, the Prophet (s), with legions, of angels, you did not see, [both] in the cave and in the locations in which he fought battles; and He made the word of those who disbelieved, that is, the call to idolatry, the nethermost, the one vanquished, and the Word of God, that is, the profession of His Oneness (shahāda), was the uppermost, the one prevailing and triumphant. And God is Mighty, in His Kingdom, Wise, in His actions.

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tafisr of ibn abbas

(If ye help him not) if you do not help Muhammad (pbuh) by going forth with him to the battle of Tabuk, (still Allah helped him when those who disbelieve) the disbelievers of Mecca (drove him forth, the second of two) i.e. the Messenger of Allah and Abu Bakr; (when they two) Allah's Messenger (pbuh) and Abu Bakr, may Allah be well pleased with him, (were in the cave, when he) the Prophet (pbuh) (said unto his comrade) Abu Bakr: (Grieve not) O Abu Bakr. (Lo! Allah is with us) and He will help us. (Then Allah caused His peace of reassurance) His tranquillity (to descend upon him) upon His Prophet (and supported him) helped him on the Day of Badr, at the battle of the troops and also on the Day of Hunayn (with hosts ye cannot see) i.e. with angels, (and made the word) the religion (of those who disbelieved the nethermost) blameworthy and defeated, (while Allah's word it was that became the uppermost) triumphant and praiseworthy. (Allah is Mighty) in retribution against his enemies, (Wise) in helping His friends.

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tafsir ibn kathir

(Then Allah sent down His Sakinah upon him) sent His aid and triumph to His Messenger , or they say it refers to Abu Bakr,

http://www.qtafsir.c...=2555&Itemid=64

I can see why you think it's abu bakr, as there is a chance it is him, based of the way the verse is worded, but clearly, based on sunni tafasir, it is not guaranteed to be him. But like I said, pointless debate, as it can be argued both ways. But you should at least asserting it with so much authority.

Edited September 6, 2012 by Ali_Hussain

[Ali_Hussain]

Al-Karajaki has reported that once Sheikh Mufid saw a dream, and then dictated it to his companions and disciples. He said: I dreamt that as I was passing through a street, I saw a large crowd gathered around someone. On enquiry, I was told that they had surrounded Umar b. al-Khattab, the second Caliph. I pushed myself forward, and when I came near him, I said: "O Sheikh, do you allow me to ask a question?" He said: "Ask." So I said: "Would you explain me how is the excellence of your friend Abu Bakr established by the Ayah in which Allah says: 'the second of the two, when they were in the cave'. Your friends are making too much out of it."

He said: "This Ayah proves Abu Bakr's excellence in six ways:

Allah mentions the Prophet, peace be upon him, and then mentions Abu Bakr with him, as his second of the two;

Allah mentions them as being together at one place; which is a sign of mutual affinity;

Allah adds further quality of being the Prophet's "SAHIB", the Companion;

Allah relates how kind and caring the Prophet was towards Abu Bakr when he told him, "Don't grieve";

Where the Prophet assured Abu Bakr that "Allah is with us" meaning that He will help both of them simultaneously;

Allah revealed that He will send down AS-SAKINAH (serenity) upon Abu Bakr because as far as the Prophet was concerned, AS SAKINAH never parted from him

These are six proofs of Abu Bakr's excellence from the mentioned Ayah."

Sheikh Mufid says: "I told him that he had indeed made a good effort to make his point, and had left no room for any other person to be a better advocate for his friend. But I was going to demolish the arguments, making it like ashes blown away by the fast wind."

Sheikh said:

"When you say that Allah has mentioned the Prophet, peace be upon him and his progeny, and then mentioned Abu Bakr as his second, I do not see anything extraordinary in that. For if you ponder over it, you will find that Allah was only revealing the number of persons present in the cave. They were two; there could have been a Mo'min and a Kafir and they would still be two."

"And when you talk of they being together at one place, it is again as simple as the first case. If there was one place only, it could have been occupied by a Mo'min and a disbeliever also. The Mosque of the Prophet is definitely a better place than the cave, and yet it was a gathering place for the believers and the hypocrites. The Ark of Prophet Noah carried the Prophet Noah, together with Satan and the animals. So being together at one place is no virtue."

"And when you talk about the added quality of being 'SAHIB', the companion, this indeed is a weaker point than the first two, because a believer and a disbeliever can both be in the company of each other. Allah, Most High, used the word 'SAHIB' in the following Ayah: 'His "SAHIB" (companion) said to him while he was conversing with him: Have you disbelieved in the One Who created you from soil and then from a small quantity of sperm, then fashioned you harmoniously as a man?' (al-KAHF V. 37). Further, we find in Arabic literature that the word "SAHIB" is used for the accompanying donkey, and also for the sword. So, if the term can be used between a Momin and a Kafir, between a man and his animal, and between a living and an inanimate object, then what is so special in it about your friend?"

"And the words 'Don't grieve' were not meant for any solace;. Because it was a statement forbidding an act. In Arabic, we have 'donts' and 'dos' as imperative verbs. Now, the grief expressed by Abu Bakr was either an act of obedience or disobedience. If it was obedience, the Prophet would not have forbidden it, therefore it is proved that it was an act of sin and disobedience."

"As for the assurance that 'Allah is with us', the pronoun 'us' was used by the Prophet for himself The use of plural pronoun for oneself is a sign of ones elevated status. Allah says: 'Indeed, We are the One who has revealed the Quran, and We will most surely preserve it.' (Al-Hijr V.9). And again: 'We are the One who gives life and ordains death, and We are the inheritor' (al-Hijr V.23). And the Shias have their own version, which does not seem far-fetched. They say that Abu Bakr told the Prophet that his grief was for Ali b. Abi Talib (who was left behind in Makkah), and the Prophet replied: 'Do not grieve, surely, Allah is with us' meaning; with me and my brother, Ali b. Abi Talib."

"Your claim that AS-SAKINAH (serenity) was sent down to Abu Bakr is indeed outrageous. Because the verse clearly states that the serenity came unto him who was helped with the unseen army.

The Ayah says:

'... Then Allah sent down on him His serenity and strengthened him with unseen forces'

(al-Tawbah: 40).

So if AS-SAKINAH had descended upon Abu Bakr, he would have received the support of the unseen army. In fact, it would have been better if you had not attributed this to Abu Bakr. For according to Quran, this serenity was sent down on the Prophet twice:

'Then Allah sent down His serenity upon His messenger and the believers, and sent down forces which you did not see ...'.

(al Taubah:V.26).

'Then Allah sent down His serenity upon His Messenger and the believers, and adhered them to the word of piety'

(al-Fath: V. 26).

In both places, the believers shared the serenity with the Prophet, but in this event of the cave, serenity was sent down to the Prophet alone, excluding Abu Bakr. This may be a pointer to the fact that Abu Bakr was not among the believers!"

Sheikh Mufid says that Umar made no reply to my arguments, and as people around him scattered, he woke up from his sleep.

[dagger_in_the_back]

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I can see why you think it's abu bakr, as there is a chance it is him, based of the way the verse is worded, but clearly, based on sunni tafasir, it is not guaranteed to be him. But like I said, pointless debate, as it can be argued both ways. But you should at least asserting it with so much authority.

lets not argue who is the Person , this thing is confirmed that Prophet saw had a Companion with him in the cave and this is what we read in this verse "Allah is the Prophet and that Companion " and Allah his Sakinah to upon him(his companion).

so whosoever is the Companion Allah is with him , and Allah sent down Sakinah upon him and helped him with forces. Agreed?

[faisal786]

lets not argue who is the Person , this thing is confirmed that Prophet saw had a Companion with him in the cave and this is what we read in this verse "Allah is the Prophet and that Companion " and Allah his Sakinah to upon him(his companion).

so whosoever is the Companion Allah is with him , and Allah sent down Sakinah upon him and helped him with forces. Agreed?

Salam Alaykum,

I hope everyone one is in good health and faith by the grace of God.

The sakinah was sent upon the holy prophet because he was in need of the sakinah due to the enemies who wanted to kill him

and destroy the message of Allah.

If it was sent upon the Abu Bakr then it would not make sense because the enemy did not care about abu bakr or in fact he did not even worry the enemy, The person in need of the Sakinah was prophet Muhammad so Allah sent it upon him and told him not to worry.

Suppose God had send Sakinah upon abu bakr and not the holy prophet who was in dire need of it due to the enemy wanted to kill him, it would make no sense at all, after all the prophet is still human and still needs Gods protection from the enemy hence God sent the Sakinah upon the Prophet.

A few questions:

Why was the sakinah sent upon abu bakr if so then wasnt the holy prophets presence enough to give abu bakr sakinah?

Was Abu Bakr in need of the sakinah and state the reason of why he was in need, also what role did he play in this situation that he was in dire need of the sakinah?

The fact is that Abu Bakr the companion was caught off guard to accompany the holy prophet upon this journey doesnt point to the value of him being his closet companion or of any important role he played.

It is like saying i am in danger but someone accompanies me by chance and i ring the police telling them i am in danger but when they arrive they give my companion the peace of mind he is safe and i am not because i dont need it and he does.

Logic dictates the one who has called is in danger and is in need of help not the one accompanying.

[uchiha]

"And the words 'Don't grieve' were not meant for any solace;. Because it was a statement forbidding an act. In Arabic, we have 'donts' and 'dos' as imperative verbs. Now, the grief expressed by Abu Bakr was either an act of obedience or disobedience. If it was obedience, the Prophet would not have forbidden it, therefore it is proved that it was an act of sin and disobedience."

Now that part almost made me laugh, seriously the logic here is of the roof. Btw, i dont mean any offence, i dont know if the person is special in shia sect

[Just the truth]

Seriously I cannot believe the stuff I've read on this thread it's UNBELIEVABLE how far Shia take it when it comes to twisting meanings in the Quran.

Here's one for Shia specifically nahj ul balagah Letter 77

When Imam Ali (a) sent Ibn Abbas for discussions with the Kharijites, he, peace be upon him, gave him the following instructions.

While arguing, never quote statements from the Holy Qur'an because the passages of this Book require very careful consideration as they could be paraphrased in various ways and their meanings could be construed differently. Thus, you will adhere to your explanation and they will stick to their elucidation. Therefore, argue with them in the light of the traditions of the Holy Prophet (s) and then they will find no way to misrepresent

[alshemary]

But isnt Abu Bakr mentioned in the Quran as a companion of the cave.

If you help him (Muhammad SAW) not (it does not matter), for Allâh did indeed help him when the disbelievers drove him out, the second of two, when they (Muhammad SAW and Abu Bakr radhiallahu'anhu) were in the cave, and he (SAW) said to his companion (Abu Bakr radhiallahu'anhu): "Be not sad (or afraid), surely Allâh is with us." Then Allâh sent down His Sakînah (calmness, tranquillity, peace) upon him, and strengthened him with forces (angels) which you saw not, and made the word of those who disbelieved the lowermost, while the Word of Allâh that became the uppermost, and Allâh is All-Mighty, All-Wise. 9:40

Allah told you that he meant Abu Bakr was that second person?

cant it be wrong?

Musnad Ahmad (ibn hanbal - SAHIH) has a VERY important narration which is AUTHENTIC which proves abu bakr DIDNT EVEN know muhammad (saw) was outside his house!!!!!! let alone in a cave!!!!! he went to his house and found ali (as) sleeping in his bed.. so please EXPLAIN to me how god revealed it on to you that it is DEFINITELY abu bakr? =/

heres the video.. or maybe youre going to pretend you dont know arabic? lol

also even if he was ABU BAKR in the cave.. the word sahib/companion isnt only a praise as the word sahib/companion has even been used to disbelievers of the prophets people around him and even a DOG!!!!!!!! an animal also..

I laugh when i hear wahabis calling me a ghulati (person who exaggerates their love/hate) lol..

Edited September 17, 2012 by alshemary

[alshemary]

so as i said, even IF he was abu bakr.. what does the word SAHIBIHI (his companion) mean according to the quran..

is it a prestigious status? watch this legend:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vAmXuFI1rE

[islamistruth101]

Here's a reply I made

[Murtada]

(salam)

Yasser al Habib gives an explanation in the following video; starting at 30m 31s

[WilayaBlood]

Aslamalaykum,

If ye help not (your leader), (it is no matter): for God did indeed help him, when the Unbelievers drove him out: he had no more than one companion;they two were in the cave, and he said to his companion, "Have no fear, for God is with us": then God sent down His peace upon him, and strengthened him with forces which you saw not, and humbled to the depths the word of the Unbelievers. But the word of God is exalted to the heights: for God is Exalted in might, Wise. (9:40)

It will be foolish to say that tranquillity was revealed for Abu Bakr and not the Holy Prophet s.a.w.w. The reason being is that God sent down His peace upon him (Prophet), and strengthened him (Prophet) with forces which you ( Abu Bakr) saw not. It was Abu Bakr who did not see unseen forces not the Prophet.

If we now change it around, see what kind of blasphemy we accuse Allah swt and His Prophet............

God sent down His peace upon him (Abu Bakr), and strengthened him (Abu Bakr) with forces which you ( Prophet) saw not. So the Prophet (na'uzibillah) did not see the unseen forces but Abu Bakr saw them.

There is no 3rd possibility.

Some might say Prophet s.a.w.w has tranquillity all the time, so why does Allah swt need to send it to Him again. This argument can easily refuted as Allah swt in the Quran sent tranquillity twice on different occasions on the Holy Prophet s.a.w.w

Edited September 18, 2012 by muslimunity1

[Abu Lulu]

Aslamalaykum,

If ye help not (your leader), (it is no matter): for God did indeed help him, when the Unbelievers drove him out: he had no more than one companion;they two were in the cave, and he said to his companion, "Have no fear, for God is with us": then God sent down His peace upon him, and strengthened him with forces which you saw not, and humbled to the depths the word of the Unbelievers. But the word of God is exalted to the heights: for God is Exalted in might, Wise. (9:40)

It will be foolish to say that tranquillity was revealed for Abu Bakr and not the Holy Prophet s.a.w.w. The reason being is that God sent down His peace upon him (Prophet), and strengthened him (Prophet) with forces which you ( Abu Bakr) saw not. It was Abu Bakr who did not see unseen forces not the Prophet.

If we now change it around, see what kind of blasphemy we accuse Allah swt and His Prophet............

God sent down His peace upon him (Abu Bakr), and strengthened him (Abu Bakr) with forces which you ( Prophet) saw not. So the Prophet (na'uzibillah) did not see the unseen forces but Abu Bakr saw them.

There is no 3rd possibility.

Some might say Prophet s.a.w.w has tranquillity all the time, so why does Allah swt need to send it to Him again. This argument can easily refuted as Allah swt in the Quran sent tranquillity twice on different occasions on the Holy Prophet s.a.w.w

Good job, and I'd like to add something.

Allah says: If you do not aid the Prophet - Allah has already aided him when those who disbelieved had driven him out

The sole purpose of this verse is that Allah let's us know that He will always aid His messenger. Therefore Allah gives an example where he aided the prophet (i.e. when the polytheists had driven him out and the prophet was hiding from them in the cave).

This verse (9.40) is better understood when you read the previous verses and the following verse. You will read that Allah says:

O you who have believed, what is [the matter] with you that, when you are told to go forth in the cause of Allah, you adhere heavily to the earth? (9.38)

If you do not go forth, He will punish you with a painful punishment (9.39)

If you do not aid the Prophet - Allah has already aided him (9.40)

Go forth, whether light or heavy (9.41)

Here you read that Allah tells the believers to go forth (to help the messenger). But if they don't go forth to help the messenger, then Allah will always help His messenger. (Then Allah gives the example of when the polytheists had driven him out). So the basic purpose of verse 40 is to show that Allah will always help His messenger. So it's impossible that Allah says that he will always aid his messenger, but then gives an example where he aided Abu Bakr.. That's nuts!

And the bigger purpose of this verse was to show Abu Bakr's kufr. Hence why the Sunni's will never give up debating about this verse.

Edited September 18, 2012 by Abu Lulu