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Thirty-six universities in Iran have announced that 77 courses in their curriculum will be “single-sex,” prompting an outcry at home and worldwide over women’s rights in the Islamic state.

The subjects now only available for men include accounting, engineering, pure chemistry, English literature and translation, hotel management, and many others, Iranian news website Rooz Online reports. For instance, the University of Tehran will now open exclusively to men the courses related to mathematics, natural resources, and forestry.

The announcement comes a fortnight after the move was reported by the semi-official Mehr News Agency, but back then the decision has not been officially confirmed by educational institutions.

The limitations have been listed in the universities’ leaflets. The changes are to be implemented in the coming year, the Telegraph reports.

Exiled Iranian Nobel Laureate Shirin Ebadi has urged the UN to immediately investigate the matter, calling the move an attempt to derail Iranian women’s fight for their rights.

"[it] is part of the recent policy of the Islamic Republic, which tries to return women to the private domain inside the home as it cannot tolerate their passionate presence in the public arena," Ebadi wrote in her letter to Ahmad Shaheed, the UN's special rapporteur for human rights in Iran.

The controversial move has also led to Iranian parliamentarians calling the Science and Higher Education Minister Kamran Daneshjoo to explain the decision.

The top education official brushed aside the criticism, saying that 90 per cent of degrees remain open to both sexes, and that single-sex courses were needed to create "balance".

“Some fields are not very suitable for women’s nature,” another senior education official, Abolfazl Hasani, said.

The move comes amid reports that the country’s women have excelled over men greatly in recent years, causing senior Iranian clergy members to express their concern about the increasing academic success among women in the Islamic State.

According to UNESCO, Iran has highest ratio of female to male students in the world, with the country’s women outnumbering men three to two and making up about 60 per cent of all undergraduates.

http://rt.com/news/iran-women-university-ban-171/

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Shirin Ebadi, like most feminists, thinks its her place to tell other mothers and fathers what's right for their daughters. Taking advice from a woman in a bad marriage is like getting advice about hamburgers from McDonald's.

Yea true but that doesnt explain why Iran did that.

Unless they are willing to make all-girl universities

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The subjects now only available for men include accounting, engineering, pure chemistry, English literature and translation, hotel management, and many others, Iranian news website Rooz Online reports. For instance, the University of Tehran will now open exclusively to men the courses related to mathematics, natural resources, and forestry.

The top education official brushed aside the criticism, saying that 90 per cent of degrees remain open to both sexes, and that single-sex courses were needed to create "balance".

"Some fields are not very suitable for women's nature," another senior education official, Abolfazl Hasani, said.

The move comes amid reports that the country's women have excelled over men greatly in recent years, causing senior Iranian clergy members to express their concern about the increasing academic success among women in the Islamic State.

Basically excluding women from the degrees that actually matter and where they can actually make money. I'm pretty sure women can make just as good, if not better, engineers than men. In fact, I hate to admit it, but many of my female classmates had better grades in engineering courses than I did.

I'm pretty sure they're afraid of women getting too much power by holding key positions in companies and agencies. Also, if women are making more money than men, they have no reason to put up with their husbands if their husbands cheat on them or treat them improperly.

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The reason this was done was most likely due to economical hardship. Another article had said that most women who graduate with engineering degrees stay unemployed, around 90%.

That's because employers and even gov. Probably encourages male employment. Not because they hate women, but because males are the primary money makers in these societies. Women are most likely secondary money makers whose husbands also work.

In times of economic hardship the gov. Wants to secure jobs for males in an attempt to stabilize families. Its actually very socilist, split jobs evenly among families. Instead of two money makers in the same family give one job to another unemployed family. But of course the media will say its because Islam hates women. And commander in Cheif Obama will stand strong with the oppressed women of Iran.

Anyways Afghans and Iraqis have in the past been banned from engineering degrees for the same economical reasons. Google it. Iran would prefer irani employed over afghan refugees.

Let the Americans/Europeans bark, they will never deal with Iran fairly.

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The controversial move has also led to Iranian parliamentarians calling the Science and Higher Education Minister Kamran Daneshjoo to explain the decision.

The top education official brushed aside the criticism, saying that 90 per cent of degrees remain open to both sexes, and that single-sex courses were needed to create "balance".

"Some fields are not very suitable for women's nature," another senior education official, Abolfazl Hasani, said.

The move comes amid reports that the country's women have excelled over men greatly in recent years, causing senior Iranian clergy members to express their concern about the increasing academic success among women in the Islamic State.

According to UNESCO, Iran has highest ratio of female to male students in the world, with the country's women outnumbering men three to two and making up about 60 per cent of all undergraduates.

http://rt.com/news/i...ersity-ban-171/

If true it Seems they want to exclude women from those occupations, not women from those classes so a women only university would not make any difference.

Denying women educational opportunites because they are doing well is really Taliban. It is better to include those that excel they will help the country more.

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The reason this was done was most likely due to economical hardship. Another article had said that most women who graduate with engineering degrees stay unemployed, around 90%.

That's because employers and even gov. Probably encourages male employment. Not because they hate women, but because males are the primary money makers in these societies. Women are most likely secondary money makers whose husbands also work.

In times of economic hardship the gov. Wants to secure jobs for males in an attempt to stabilize families. Its actually very socilist, split jobs evenly among families. Instead of two money makers in the same family give one job to another unemployed family. But of course the media will say its because Islam hates women. And commander in Cheif Obama will stand strong with the oppressed women of Iran.

Anyways Afghans and Iraqis have in the past been banned from engineering degrees for the same economical reasons. Google it. Iran would prefer irani employed over afghan refugees.

Let the Americans/Europeans bark, they will never deal with Iran fairly.

Maybe it's the American in me, but if a civil engineer is designing a bridge in my town, I'd want the most qualified person designing it. Not some charity case that couldn't get an engineering degree without the government stepping in. It just doesn't make sense to have the best and brightest in the jobs that count the most.

On another note, when you reward idiots and punish hard work, the hard workers stop working so hard and the idiots continue to be idiots.

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Yes that's in theory,the most qualified should get the job, but reality is diffrent. What grade you got on your thermodynamics dosn't mean anything. Your argument is correct on a theoretical level but that's just not how things work.

As for charity case, no one ever said that. That whole statement is an assumption. And actually sounds rather sexist against males.

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And what about single women without kids? Should they too be incapable of getting jobs? It forces such women to rely on men, as if subservient.

Also, I would say that reality is just as coldcow has presented it. As a scientist, I will vouch. The most successful scientists I know, are those with a higher education. Those who have excelled over the average.

By not allowing women to proceed, they are handicapping themselves for the sake of conservatism.

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@Scientistbelial I don't think you understand the severity of the economic situation. It's an actual time of war. These are the measures which are employed in difficult time. Anyways since your a scientist your right. I apologize.

@jackson Calling in Jackson we need backup. Over

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@belial I do think you understand the severity of the economic situation. It's an actual time of war. These are the measures which are employed in difficult time.

These measures should never occur.

A government should not have such a right to limit your freedom. At any time. Especially when it comes to education. Because you know what? If they can take your education, they can take anything they want from you. Because without a mind, people are nothing.

And its inefficient, it hurts science.

And it demands dependency of women as if they are not equals.

If any president in America ever even uttered such a law, he would be assassinated over night by liberals and conservatives alike.

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@belial yes yes the great American people, who always stick to the truth and defend always defend democracy and HR around the world. It would never happen in America, they are too honorable. Flag bearers of Humanity The United States of America. We should all aspire to be like them.

Since you know so much about governance and how to run countries in a time of intensive economic hardship, why don't you take an email to AMJ

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@belial yes yes the great American people, who always stick to the truth and defend always defend democracy and HR around the world. It would never happen in America, they are too honorable. Flag bearers of Humanity The United States of America. We should all aspire to be like them.

This is a basic human right. Do you disagree that some people shouldnt have the right to educate themselves?

The only reason i brought up America, aside from living here, is that, these are the kinds of discussions that occur here quite frequently, and these are the kinds of laws that get politicians kicked out of office.

And I know that it isnt good for science either. Some of the brightest scientists I know are women. I wouldnt be where I am now if not for educated women. And that troubles me to think that it could be taken away.

Some of the most inspirational scientists of my life, are women.

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@belial this is an honest answer Belial, Americans have lost their privaledge to use the term HR with any Shia Muslims around the world. This is a very personal Issue, your gov and it's people openly sell weapons to the Bahraini Regime. Not only that but they openly back a murderor as King who kills our children and women. Their was once a time that some people actually respected the U.S.A. But we as a people see Clearly how things are played. So don't give us this HR garbage. Or how America is a role model to all.

Yes women are equal I intelligence, yes I have had great teachers who were women. But you have no idea on how to mange a country under sanctions and threat of war. You have no idea on how to mange job creation or social stability in times of crisis

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@belial this is an honest answer Belial, Americans have lost their privaledge to use the term HR with any Shia Muslims around the world. This is a very personal Issue, your gov and it's people openly sell weapons to the Bahraini Regime. Not only that but they openly back a murderor as King. Their was once a time that some people actually respected the U.S.A. But we as a people see Clearly how things are played. So don't give us this HR garbage. Or how America is a role model to all.

Yes women are equal I intelligence, yes I have had great teachers who were women. But you have no idea on how to mange a country under sanctions and threat of war.

You assume there are no alternatives. As if Iran has little choice but to take away basic rights of women. Which is absurd.

You could be living off of 3 cents a week in Ethiopia, and you would still have the right to get an equal education as anyone else.

This isnt just about economics, this is about out dated conservatism.

Ya know though, it doesnt matter. Iran can handle Irans business, and we will see how pleasantly it plays out.

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The reason this was done was most likely due to economical hardship. Another article had said that most women who graduate with engineering degrees stay unemployed, around 90%.

That's because employers and even gov. Probably encourages male employment. Not because they hate women, but because males are the primary money makers in these societies. Women are most likely secondary money makers whose husbands also work.

In times of economic hardship the gov. Wants to secure jobs for males in an attempt to stabilize families. Its actually very socilist, split jobs evenly among families. Instead of two money makers in the same family give one job to another unemployed family. But of course the media will say its because Islam hates women. And commander in Cheif Obama will stand strong with the oppressed women of Iran.

Anyways Afghans and Iraqis have in the past been banned from engineering degrees for the same economical reasons. Google it. Iran would prefer irani employed over afghan refugees.

Let the Americans/Europeans bark, they will never deal with Iran fairly.

Mashallah bro, yeah you're definitely right about that. It can cause problems in that regards.

In fact to those that think men and women function the same. They all should watch this documentary it should change their views toward Islam, I'm sure it is posted somewhere on this site, but anyways I'll repost.

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Sallam Alykum,

Is this not anti-Islamic? If Iran wants to represent itself as an Islamic government then it should be more Islamic and stop giving Muslims a bad name... this would only make us look like sexist and women-oppressors to the rest of the world...

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Sallam Alykum,

Is this not anti-Islamic? If Iran wants to represent itself as an Islamic government then it should be more Islamic and stop giving Muslims a bad name... this would only make us look like sexist and women-oppressors to the rest of the world...

i dunno if its anti islamic or not but its defenetly sexist. men and women should have equal rihgts.

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Yes that's in theory,the most qualified should get the job, but reality is diffrent. What grade you got on your thermodynamics dosn't mean anything. Your argument is correct on a theoretical level but that's just not how things work.

As for charity case, no one ever said that. That whole statement is an assumption. And actually sounds rather sexist against males.

If you went to a doctor with an illness, would you rather have the doctor that made it into medical school because he/she was smart enough to get in on his/her own? Or would you rather have the doctor that only got in because those smarter than him/her were removed from the application pool to allow this doctor a space?

Like wise, would you rather have the brightest minds working to solve your country's problems, or the minds that only got to where they are because others that were smarter were denied an education they were qualified to receive? If the economy is the issue, why not have the brightest minds in the country innovate and create new technology and jobs for the less educated, rather than remove them from the innovation pipeline?

One of two things is going to happen here. Either less qualified individuals are going to become engineers and scientists, or there is going to be a shortage of engineers and scientists developing. The latter is much more difficult to correct for, and takes a much longer time to correct.

Iran is shooting itself in the foot.

Sallam Alykum,

Is this not anti-Islamic? If Iran wants to represent itself as an Islamic government then it should be more Islamic and stop giving Muslims a bad name... this would only make us look like sexist and women-oppressors to the rest of the world...

I don't know if it's unIslamic either, but what's next? Banning women from driving like in Saudi, because driving is a more masculine profession? Or perhaps banning women from leaving the house without a male escort?

Seriously, sometimes I think the Irani government sits in a room and thinks up the best ways to get the world to turn against them.

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Coldcow and others you're missing the point lol.

They're probably trying to organize/classify majors or at least courses in this case, in a way where it probably would favor both men and women in many ways as possible (we don't know the reasons yet because this article doesn't elaborate further).

If women in Iran excel in a specific kind of career and can do a better job than men, I highly doubt Iran would ban them from particular majors where their strengths are at.

They picked very specific courses to segregate, so I'm sure there's a clear intent behind it to make it easier for both genders.

Thirty-six universities in Iran have announced that 77 courses in their curriculum will be "single-sex," prompting an outcry at home and worldwide over women's rights in the Islamic state.

The subjects now only available for men include accounting, engineering, pure chemistry, English literature and translation, hotel management, and many others, Iranian news website Rooz Online reports. For instance, the University of Tehran will now open exclusively to men the courses related to mathematics, natural resources, and forestry.

The announcement comes a fortnight after the move was reported by the semi-official Mehr News Agency, but back then the decision has not been officially confirmed by educational institutions.

The limitations have been listed in the universities' leaflets. The changes are to be implemented in the coming year, the Telegraph reports.

Exiled Iranian Nobel Laureate Shirin Ebadi has urged the UN to immediately investigate the matter, calling the move an attempt to derail Iranian women's fight for their rights.

"[it] is part of the recent policy of the Islamic Republic, which tries to return women to the private domain inside the home as it cannot tolerate their passionate presence in the public arena," Ebadi wrote in her letter to Ahmad Shaheed, the UN's special rapporteur for human rights in Iran.

The controversial move has also led to Iranian parliamentarians calling the Science and Higher Education Minister Kamran Daneshjoo to explain the decision.

The top education official brushed aside the criticism, saying that 90 per cent of degrees remain open to both sexes, and that single-sex courses were needed to create "balance".

"Some fields are not very suitable for women's nature," another senior education official, Abolfazl Hasani, said.

The move comes amid reports that the country's women have excelled over men greatly in recent years, causing senior Iranian clergy members to express their concern about the increasing academic success among women in the Islamic State.

According to UNESCO, Iran has highest ratio of female to male students in the world, with the country's women outnumbering men three to two and making up about 60 per cent of all undergraduates.

http://rt.com/news/i...ersity-ban-171/

90%, not bad. I thought at first it was a radical change like 60% compatibility. I doubt the 10% difference will lead to the collapse of Iran like some people here are suggesting.

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Read the comments.. I'm pretty much sad when even shias confuse the terms Justice and "Equality".. (or should I say, Equality and Similarity)

And plus, if the news is true, I don't think the 10 percent of the degrees will be only for men.. There are also “Some fields that are not very suitable for MEN’s nature” :Hijabi:

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Read the comments.. I'm pretty much sad when even shias confuse the terms Justice and "Equality".. (or should I say, Equality and Similarity)

And plus, I don't think the 10 percent of the degrees will be only for men.. There are also “Some fields that are not very suitable for MEN’s nature” :Hijabi:

I definitely agree with you.

I just hope whatever the 10% change is that it's not something like nursing only for men, and piloting only for women. That would be frightening. I'm assuming they put a lot of thought, sweat, and energy into this controversial decision.

And as for the guy above. There's no way the slippery slope effect will take place. In other words, they will not ban women from driving cars. In fact in recent times they've done the exact opposite. They've promoted women cabbies. If Shiites were to betray their women like the Arabs have done, the religion would be nonexistent.

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my sisters already discouraged here in Turkey.. hijabis are not allowed to go to school!

And, why do you think sciene is not in women's nature? I'm asking because I know, you are not a wahabi.. thanks :)

btw, is there any reason why they don't focus on issues like I dunno;

http://nureinwort.blogspot.com/2010/12/hsbc-censored-ad.html

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Shirin Ebadi, like most feminists, thinks its her place to tell other mothers and fathers what's right for their daughters. Taking advice from a woman in a bad marriage is like getting advice about hamburgers from McDonald's.

She also likes the attention/'media coverage' she gets when she criticizes Tehran.

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Smart move by Iran.

As mentioned, ...

Iran will eventually move towards the same system as the West, where jobs will (for the most part) necessitate degrees from universities.

Maybe. But one of the reasons post-high school education is so preferred is because the public school system is so lousy.

i dunno if its anti islamic or not but its defenetly sexist. men and women should have equal rights.

Other than differences revealed in the Quran, the other stuff must be "equal". Now, ' what is most important where' will vary. If you are in Afghanistan, equal access to medical care is most important.

(many men do not let their wives go to doctors)

Other than cases such as this, Voting is the 'big one'. But what most people do not realize is that women are more conservative voters than men. They are more intersted in schools, public health and such than in a bunch of men running around trying to show-off for themselves.

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English literature not suitable for women's nature? Are they crazy?

The article claims the Universities have taken this decision to "restore balance." But if the imbalance is due to Iranian women excelling their counterparts in studies, why should the former be punished for their success? Shouldn't Iranian men work harder to compete with women? By barring qualified people from studying these subjects, the end result will be mediocre students will take their place and water it down.

This is what you get in a male dominated society..craziness and ridiculous. :wacko:

whaaaa????? this is horrible if its true. they should be free to study whatever they want. men and women r equal!

Not in Iran.

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