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Hasan bhai, I too felt really happy when i first heard about the news. Our Sunni brothers want unity and we want it too, but extremists on both sides actively try to disrupt the peace process.

As DV bhai said, we should refrain from tabarra-bazi and not hurt their feelings.

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It is true. There are, indeed, those lovely beautiful Sunni folk in this nation who deserve our deepest respects and love. For their sake alone we should exercise maturity and restraint in things like public or loud-speaker assisted tabarra-bazi and never willfully hurt the feelings of the non-Shia by acting ignorantly. Because most of the time I see ignorant "Shia" fellows (who are actually Nusehri) provoking others consistently, for no reason and when its absolutely uncalled for. Only love can garner more love. Hate is answered by hate.

It is high time that we identify, expose, confront and abandon the fitna causing elements among our ranks (because we shelter any and all who utters the name of Ali (as), like Ismailis and Nusehris). Some Sunni brothers are already doing the same by disassociating quite harshly with the Wahabi and Ahl-e-Hadees who provide the recruitment pool for terrorists. These outsiders and neo-Kharijiites are the seditious element throwing gas over the fire since decades, and their method is to identify as either "Shia" (in case of nusehri ghulaat so-called-malangs ismailis etc.) or "Sunni" (in case of Saudi based new militant sects). It is when we all have this awareness in sufficient quantity will we be able to solve the terrorism and sectarian problems, not for others, but for salvaging the future of our own nation.

Well said brother, very well said!

I can relate to this as well.

I am in Canada and for Ramadan and Muharram we get amazing English Alims and academics from which the Majlis here are amazing.

We unfortunately also get some Alims from Pakistan and India where all what they do is utter stupid stuff. I do wonder as to how can these Ulemas from Pakistan/India be this stupid.

The majlis is pretty much Ali Ali Ali and then Lanat Lanat Lanat x 100

Because of this, I refuse to go to Urdu Majlis in Canada, and English lectures all the way!

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Well said brother, very well said!

I can relate to this as well.

I am in Canada and for Ramadan and Muharram we get amazing English Alims and academics from which the Majlis here are amazing.

We unfortunately also get some Alims from Pakistan and India where all what they do is utter stupid stuff. I do wonder as to how can these Ulemas from Pakistan/India be this stupid.

The majlis is pretty much Ali Ali Ali and then Lanat Lanat Lanat x 100

Because of this, I refuse to go to Urdu Majlis in Canada, and English lectures all the way!

Mr mind your language just to please some Sunnis you are doing ghibat and hurting the sentiments of Indo pak Shias and as well as ulamas

What ali ali ali ? Ali as is the only one because of which the world has two major Muslims sectors only

Ali is the soul and whole for us Indo pak Shias and will always curse the killers and oppresors no matter you westerners like it or not

We really don't care beleive me and yes if you don't like to go for the Urdu majlis then please don't go , no ulama is going to drag you in his majlis, we luv ali as and ahlulbayt and curse the killers, enemies and oppressors doesn't matter which country we are so please understand this. If you would have been from Indo pak then you would understand this.

There are some viruses which says people should preach the Fazaael of ahlulbayt but they should preach the masaels of fiqh

I am not sAying fiqh is not important but Fazaael also has significant role in protecting shiasm today.

Mind you post next time and think what you are writing should not offend others.

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Mr mind your language just to please some Sunnis you are doing ghibat and hurting the sentiments of Indo pak Shias and as well as ulamas

What ali ali ali ? Ali as is the only one because of which the world has two major Muslims sectors only

Ali is the soul and whole for us Indo pak Shias and will always curse the killers and oppresors no matter you westerners like it or not

We really don't care beleive me and yes if you don't like to go for the Urdu majlis then please don't go , no ulama is going to drag you in his majlis, we luv ali as and ahlulbayt and curse the killers, enemies and oppressors doesn't matter which country we are so please understand this. If you would have been from Indo pak then you would understand this.

There are some viruses which says people should preach the Fazaael of ahlulbayt but they should preach the masaels of fiqh

I am not sAying fiqh is not important but Fazaael also has significant role in protecting shiasm today.

Mind you post next time and think what you are writing should not offend others.

Imam Ali (as) is one of the purest personalities and role models we have. And we surely are blessed to have him.

But I see these Indo/Pak maulanas come here and preach that it is Imam Ali (as) who controls the universe. If it rains, thank Imam Ali (as) and much more stuff like that which is sad to hear.

There is a time and place to send Lanat, sending Lanat every minute of the lecture is annoying really.

I have also heard from them that: Lanat on those who they call (ra) . Now they call (ra) to Imam Ali, Imam Hussein etc too. So should I take the 'fatwa' of my dear Indo/Pak maulanas?

The Pakistani ulemas I like, are the ones who left Pakistan 10-15 years ago.

The ones we get here on a consistent basis straight from Pakistan/India preach stuff which doesn't make sense at ALL!

I can give you many more example that I hear from which it is better to sit at home or go to English lectures rather than listen to Ulemas from my home country. :mellow:

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Brother hothot dont you see the big "some Alims" . Brother Grey didnt generalize and you are jumping to a conclusion. I am a shia from indo/pak and his comments dont hurt my sentiments. emotions should be put to a side brother. A momin is a thinker, not influenced by emotions.

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It is true. There are, indeed, those lovely beautiful Sunni folk in this nation who deserve our deepest respects and love. For their sake alone we should exercise maturity and restraint in things like public or loud-speaker assisted tabarra-bazi and never willfully hurt the feelings of the non-Shia by acting ignorantly. Because most of the time I see ignorant "Shia" fellows (who are actually Nusehri) provoking others consistently, for no reason and when its absolutely uncalled for. Only love can garner more love. Hate is answered by hate.

It is high time that we identify, expose, confront and abandon the fitna causing elements among our ranks (because we shelter any and all who utters the name of Ali (as), like Ismailis and Nusehris). Some Sunni brothers are already doing the same by disassociating quite harshly with the Wahabi and Ahl-e-Hadees who provide the recruitment pool for terrorists. These outsiders and neo-Kharijiites are the seditious element throwing gas over the fire since decades, and their method is to identify as either "Shia" (in case of nusehri ghulaat so-called-malangs ismailis etc.) or "Sunni" (in case of Saudi based new militant sects). It is when we all have this awareness in sufficient quantity will we be able to solve the terrorism and sectarian problems, not for others, but for salvaging the future of our own nation.

Qibla Darth Vader spot on as usual.

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I am sincerely hoping this is true, shows humanity isn't dead.

Babusar killings : Sunnis refused to identify Shias in front of terrorists.

This article, published in a reputed newspaper, says that Sunnis tried to protect the Shias and that out of the 22 killed, 4 were Sunnis. They "protested and pressed" and "did not cooperate with them [the terrorists]"

I am hoping this is true, shows humanity isn't dead yet.

This is some really dreadful and awesome news!

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Brother hothot dont you see the big "some Alims" . Brother Grey didnt generalize and you are jumping to a conclusion. I am a shia from indo/pak and his comments dont hurt my sentiments. emotions should be put to a side brother. A momin is a thinker, not influenced by emotions.

Eid mubarak to you as we have it today So brother tell me honestly If this persons thinks like this about some alims then he should go ahead and tell to them or not ?

He is posting this and that over here instead of this he should face them and speak out what he thinks.

If some one is criticizing my olamas then it's my duty to defend them if they are right.

He should behave like a momin first.

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Imam Ali (as) is one of the purest personalities and role models we have. And we surely are blessed to have him.

But I see these Indo/Pak maulanas come here and preach that it is Imam Ali (as) who controls the universe. If it rains, thank Imam Ali (as) and much more stuff like that which is sad to hear.

There is a time and place to send Lanat, sending Lanat every minute of the lecture is annoying really.

I have also heard from them that: Lanat on those who they call (ra) . Now they call (ra) to Imam Ali, Imam Hussein etc too. So should I take the 'fatwa' of my dear Indo/Pak maulanas?

The Pakistani ulemas I like, are the ones who left Pakistan 10-15 years ago.

The ones we get here on a consistent basis straight from Pakistan/India preach stuff which doesn't make sense at ALL!

I can give you many more example that I hear from which it is better to sit at home or go to English lectures rather than listen to Ulemas from my home country. :mellow:

I haven't here anyone yet who said like thanks to ali for rain, nor even that all radi allahs are lanati and if you think that the Lanat is annoying then don't go nobody is going to force you.

It's the month of moharram and the exact time to curse them you think the lanat is annoying but not everybody

If you really think that's it's not good then gp ahead to the organizer and tell them what you feel

Instead of doing ghibat overhere.

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I haven't here anyone yet who said like thanks to ali for rain, nor even that all radi allahs are lanati and if you think that the Lanat is annoying then don't go nobody is going to force you.

It's the month of moharram and the exact time to curse them you think the lanat is annoying but not everybody

If you really think that's it's not good then gp ahead to the organizer and tell them what you feel

Instead of doing ghibat overhere.

I did not say anything to the classical Pakistani/ Indian scholars nor did I generalize.

I said to those who talk that type of stuff I mentioned earlier. And that is why I do not go to those lectures.

Many my age have voiced there opinions but again the crowd who like going there appriciated that kind of stuff and it will continue to happen.

As for Lanat, it is fine ofcourse; but every minute of the lecture is annoying. Maybe not for you, but for me.

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As for Lanat, it is fine ofcourse; but every minute of the lecture is annoying. Maybe not for you, but for me.

This bit doesn't digest at all...

Sending curse upon people like yazeed, muawiyah, Aisha, the so-called "three caliphs" and many more; even every minute is annoying?

Are you forgetting how they oppressed the Holy Household (as)...

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This bit doesn't digest at all...

Sending curse upon people like yazeed, muawiyah, Aisha, the so-called "three caliphs" and many more; even every minute is annoying?

Are you forgetting how they oppressed the Holy Household (as)...

Oh it was meant what I said for my post #8

As in there is a time and place to send Lanat. Sending Lanat on Muawaiyah, Yazid, Umar Ibn Saad and gang is fine ofcourse. But sending Lanat every minute of the lecture is annoying.

I think I worded my follow-up post a little differently for it to be taken out of context.

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Eid mubarak to you as we have it today So brother tell me honestly If this persons thinks like this about some alims then he should go ahead and tell to them or not ?

He is posting this and that over here instead of this he should face them and speak out what he thinks.

If some one is criticizing my olamas then it's my duty to defend them if they are right.

He should behave like a momin first.

Man he is criticizing the ignorant alims, not your aalims. Why u took this so hard. And bro what do you think these jahils have never encountered the Scholars. Truth is open, Allah give them hidayah, but some money aalims work for money not truth. We have got scholarly aalims too alhamd.

This bit doesn't digest at all...

Sending curse upon people like yazeed, muawiyah, Aisha, the so-called "three caliphs" and many more; even every minute is annoying?

Are you forgetting how they oppressed the Holy Household (as)...

I think if we send abunch of laanah in the begining and then focus the session on Karbala and Understanding the message our Imam gave us by calling "hal min'nasirin yansurna" will be of more use to us. What do you think is the significance of orally sending laanah on these idiots. Every creature curse the Dhalimeen and so does every bit of a momin. His every action is a laanah on the dhalimeen.

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I did not say anything to the classical Pakistani/ Indian scholars nor did I generalize.

I said to those who talk that type of stuff I mentioned earlier. And that is why I do not go to those lectures.

Many my age have voiced there opinions but again the crowd who like going there appriciated that kind of stuff and it will continue to happen.

As for Lanat, it is fine ofcourse; but every minute of the lecture is annoying. Maybe not for you, but for me.

Its annoying to curse hazard every minute for you mashallah dont worry you will get the reward for this dude and if you people has already raised voice with a failure then why don't you all go to that maulana and debate with them ?

Ask references ?

Indo pak maulanas openly claims that they have the proof and if any one wants it thy are ready to show, then why don't you all go and do munazra or mubahila ?

If you think you are right then Move ahead and show their real faces to people or if you don't have courage then don't do ghibah over here.

Man he is criticizing the ignorant alims, not your aalims. Why u took this so hard. And bro what do you think these jahils have never encountered the Scholars. Truth is open, Allah give them hidayah, but some money aalims work for money not truth. We have got scholarly aalims too alhamd.

I think if we send abunch of laanah in the begining and then focus the session on Karbala and Understanding the message our Imam gave us by calling "hal min'nasirin yansurna" will be of more use to us. What do you think is the significance of orally sending laanah on these idiots. Every creature curse the Dhalimeen and so does every bit of a momin. His every action is a laanah on the dhalimeen.

Believe me or not in my life I have never seen any scholar in my country who asked for a fix price tp recite majlis nor I have seen any who recites just to get the money.

This is the reason I have take it hard

When I have never seen any one why should I support it ?

He should think before speaking Lanat is annoying for him not us .

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Believe me or not in my life I have never seen any scholar in my country who asked for a fix price tp recite majlis nor I have seen any who recites just to get the money.

This is the reason I have take it hard

When I have never seen any one why should I support it ?

He should think before speaking Lanat is annoying for him not us .

Brother i have seen them, those who sell their eman. Grey didnt say that he is annoyed by sending laanah, he talked specifically.

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Salam, I am so glad to see that some sunnis have a heart and that they have shown some compassion to the shia in Pakistan who are constantly being attacked. As for the arguments about some Pakistani and Indian alims, the lanat thing is true. It is not quantity but quality of the lanat, as with anything in Islam. The lectures at Muharram more then any other time, need to talk more about the lives and teachings of the ahlul bayt(as) and the the Qur'an and not just constantly say lanat, this then would defeat the object if you only mainly keep sending lanat at the expense of the message of the ones who's enemies that you are cursing. The enemy will have won if we ignore the truth of Islam in favour of constantly making statments of hatred against the enemies of ahlul bayt(as) Indeed, how did Imam Hussain(as) deal with his enemies and oppressors? how did Imam Ali(as) deal with his enemies and oppressors? Many people who attend majalis in Muharram do not attend the rest of the year, and so it is prime time for dawah and tabligh, and although lanat and explaining who the oppressors of the ahlul bayt(as) are and how they were defeated, is important, there is a whole lot more that can be learned as well. I have seen some people attend muharram majlis who don't even know how to pray salah properly(whilst praising Imam Hussain-as for praying salah so perfectly even during such a horrific battle), and some women who wore 3/4 sleeves in salah with a scarf half hanging off their head and not covering their hair properly(who will then curse the ones who compromised the hijab of sayeda zaynab(as) and the other ladies of karbala(as). I have seen some who attend the majlis on ashura, and then take the niyaz of Imam Hussain(as), and not only don't eat it or refuse to take it, they throw it in the bin because either they are sunni or married to a sunni or have sunni family or are influenced by sunni alims(especially the ones on Pakistani tv) and believe that this food is haram because it has shirk in it, or that shias spit or urinate in it, astaghfirallah! How is lanat throughout a majlis, with no proper explanation or discussion or teaching about the essence of the message of the ahlul bayt(as) etc and how to put this into our lives in a practical and spiritual. Don't get me wrong I love remembering the sacrfices that the A'imma(as) and ahlul bayt(as) and their trusted companions(as) made for me, I love to cry for them and realise how wretched and unworthy I am to love them. I love to curse and do tabarra of the oppressors and the enemies of the ahlul bayt(as) from both the past and the present. But I also love to know the teachings of the ahlul bayt(as) regarding many things, and the reasons why they faught the oppressors(la) and how I can implement this is my life. Lanat is about self improvement in many ways, you are cursing those elements of your character and actions that you see exemplified in the lives of the mal'oon(la) and seeking tabarra or to move away from those characteristics and physically away from those shayateen, and to seek nearness to the ahlul bayt(as) and their characteristics and to physically seek qurbah of AllahÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì. Some Indo Pak alims seem to be doing lanah for lanah's sake, without also talking about the message and teachings of the ahlul bayt(as). Like I said, there are many people from many madhab backgrounds who only attend during Muharram or ashura, and do not know even the basics, so this is the perfect time to teach and reapeat the teachings of these basics. Some of these Indo-Pak alims don't take this into account, if it is through genuine emotion and love for the ahlul bayt(as), then I understand because I myself can have this emotion and just not care about anything or anyone else. The alim has to be more educated and responsible though and exercise a degree of restraint and maturity, they can do the lanat and then also do the salawat of the ahlul bayt(as) but surely they should include teaching about things like the importance of salah, or political activism, or charity, or forgiveness etc in relation to the ahlul bayt(as) for the majority of the lecture. Salams and duas to all

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