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Zoroastrian Roots To The Belief In Mahdi?

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brother Titumer, i think relevant discussion would provide greater benefit for all parties

Also brother Khaled, was it necessary to post three threads of the same topic?

Salaam

He's not interested in intellectual debate! His post was full of nasibism. I remember hearing the ASWJ weasels in his pathetic video saying the phrase: "Ahlul Bayt An-Nar" which sent me over the edge. I hate nasibis.

We must not be patient in debate with nasibis.

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(bismillah)

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I have heard before that the belief in the Mahdi, and especially his occultation, has been adapted by Zoroastrains. As they have influenced Shia beliefs during the Safavids Era.

Please watch this video in order to hear Syed Ammar Nakshwani's opinion.

What do you think ??

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Brother you are taking the lecture of Sayed Ammar Nakhwani out of context... I have heard this particular speech and his point is that the world is waiting for a Savior to come and rid it of injustice. He is trying to convey the message of universal peace and brotherhood and that Imam Mahdi (as) is not just for the Muslims but for all of mankind Just like his Grandfather (SAW). please before posting such thing do proper research.

WASALAM

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Firstly, the idea of occultation was present even in the time of Imam Hussain (as) where some thought Muhammad b. al-Hanafiyya was the Imam who went into occultation, even later you have groups such as the waqifites who believed Imam Musa al-Kadhim (as) was the Imam who went into occultation - so no this idea that the safavids somehow brought about this idea of Imam al-Mahdi (atfs) is false.

Secondly, According to wikipedia the safavids ruled from 1501AD to 1722AD. We have narrations in books which date back to way before the time of the safavids such as the following

ÍÏËäÇ ÃÈí ÑÖí Çááå Úäå ÞÇá: ÍÏËäÇ Úáí Èä ÅÈÑÇåíã Èä åÇÔã¡ Úä ÃÈíå¡ Úä ãÍãÏ Èä ÃÈí ÚãíÑ. Úä ÓÚíÏ Èä ÛÒæÇä¡ Úä ÃÈí ÈÕíÑ¡ Úä ÃÈí ÌÚÝÑ Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã ÞÇá: íßæä ÊÓÚÉ ÃÆãÉ ÈÚÏ ÇáÍÓíä

Èä Úáí ÊÇÓÚåã ÞÇÆãåã Úáíåã ÇáÓáÇã.

My father ÑÖí Çááå Úäå narrated. `Ali b. Ibrahim b. Hashim narrated from his father from Muhammad b. Abi `Umayr from Sa`eed b. Ghazwan from Abu Baseer from Abu Ja`far Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã.

He said: There are nine Imams after Husayn b. `Ali, and the ninth of them will be their Qa’im Úáíåã ÇáÓáÇã. (al-Khisal)

(sahih) (ÕÍíÍ)

http://www.tashayyu....rth-of-the-imam

ãÍãÏ Èä íÍíì¡ Úä ãÍãÏ Èä ÇáÍÓíä¡ Úä ÇÈä ãÍÈæÈ¡ Úä ÅÓÍÇÞ Èä ÚãÇÑ ÞÇá: ÞÇá ÃÈæÚÈÏÇááå (Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã): ááÞÇÆã ÛíÈÊÇä: ÅÍÏÇåãÇ ÞÕíÑÉ æÇáÇÎÑì ØæíáÉ¡ ÇáÛíÈÉ ÇáÇæáì áÇ íÚáã ÈãßÇäå ÝíåÇ

ÅáÇ ÎÇÕÉ ÔíÚÊå¡ æÇáÇÎÑì áÇ íÚáã ÈãßÇäå ÝíåÇ ÅáÇ ÎÇÕÉ ãæÇáíå.

Muhammad b. Yahya, from Muhammad b. al-Husayn, from ibn Mahbub, from Is`haq b. `Ammar.

He said: I heard Abu `Abdillah Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã say: The Qa’im has two occultations (ghaybataan): the first will be short, and the second will be long. In the first occultation, no one will know his whereabouts except his devoted Shi`a, and in the other [occultation] no one will know his whereabouts except for his special supporters (khasat mawali). (al-Kafi)

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http://www.*******.org/hadiths/qiyam-al-qaim/the-occultation-of-the-imam

If I'm not mistaken al-Khisal is a book by Shaykh as-Saduq - who died 991AD according to wikipedia, and the book al-Kafi was written by Shaykh al-Kulayni who died 941CE according to wikipedia. There are more books with narrations about the Imam (atfs) which date back to long before the safavid rule.

Thirdly, the video of Sayed Ammar has been taken out of context. Sayed Ammar goes on to mention someone in the Hindu scripture, Buddhist scripture, Jewish scripture and Christian scripture. And I don't see what the problem with him saying that Imam al-Mahdi (atfs) may be able to whisper into the hearts of men good, I'm not saying it's true - I don't know - but I personally don't think there is a problem with this belief, and if you think there is then please mention why.

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