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Why Is Iran Supporting Syria?

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As'Salaamu'Alaikum,

I'm not very politically knowledgeable and I have no desire to pretend to be. I listen to NPR every day though, and I keep hearing about the Syrian civil tention (for lack of a better word). I also know that Iran supports Syria, even now. Why is that?

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Salam Aleikum!

Islamic leadership in Iran and those who have given the allegiance to it understand that the only reason why imperialist powers want Bashar al-Assad gone is because he does not toe the Western agenda in cutting strategic relations with the Islamic movement which is resisting zionist entity Israel. Iran said on numerous occasions that the demands of Syrian people are legitimate, but they are being manipulated by imperialist powers. If Assad says tomorrow that he cuts his relations with Iran and the global Islamic movement, the West will back him like they back all other dictators in the Muslim world. If you do more research, the war in Syria is a proxy-war against Iran, it has little to do with Syria itself.

I HIGHLY recommend you all read these two articles.

Flashpoint Syria, target Iran

http://www.crescent-online.net/2012/08/flashpoint-syria-target-iran-abu-dharr-3189-articles.html

A realistic picture of Bashar al-Assad with detailed research data

http://www.conflictsforum.org/2012/the-real-bashar-al-assad/

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Syria is the only remaining non-puppet state in Arabia after the fall of Gaddafi. What you see in the Western media saying protestors want Assad to fall is propaganda. The overwhelming majority of Syrians support their government, and the government has implemented or begun to implement all of the reforms genuine protestors wanted last year. What is going on now is Al Qaeda mercenaries are trying to bring down the Syrian government and make them a puppet state that serves America and Israel.

See my thread here for some proof: (Warning: You may find some of the videos graphic)

http://www.shiachat....e/#entry2453810

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As'Salaamu'Alaikum,

I'm not very politically knowledgeable and I have no desire to pretend to be. I listen to NPR every day though, and I keep hearing about the Syrian civil tention (for lack of a better word). I also know that Iran supports Syria, even now. Why is that?

Syrian government is supporter of Palestinian movement. Syrian government always played positive role in Lebanon even. It is Anti Israel government and Israel had been looking for an opportunity to destabilize Syrian government. Now America, Israel, Turkey, Jordan, Saudi Arab and Al Qaida terrorists have joined hands to destabilize the Syrian government in order to save the interests of Israel. Therefore, Iran is supporting Syrian government. This is second time that a single country is figting the battle imposed on it by nearly the whole world (West, America, KSA, Israel and Jordan). In the twentieth century Iran also fought such battle when the whole world (nearly the same countries) imposed war on Iran.

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. What is going on now is Al Qaeda mercenaries are trying to bring down the Syrian government and make them a puppet state that serves America and Israel.

This is contradictory, as if al queda would ever work for the US or Israel. Those fundamentalists would never follow any western civilization, let alone a Jewish one.

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This is contradictory, as if al queda would ever work for the US or Israel. Those fundamentalists would never follow any western civilization, let alone a Jewish one.

It's not contradictory at all.

Not only that, but several of the FSA's video have been uploaded to Al Qaeda's official website before it was released anywhere else. The U.S. has also been calling these Al Qaeda terrorists protestors and supporting their insurgency.

Meanwhile Wahhabis in Saudi Arabia invaded Bahrain to kill and suppress protestors there to protect the U.S. Navy's Fifth Fleet, now they want to annex Bahrain to stop their revolution and keep Bahrain a pro-U.S. puppet state. The Wahhabis of Saudi Arabia and Egypt also allow the U.S. and Israel to occupy the Tiran and Sanafir islands and use them militarily and for spying. Saudi Wahhabis supported Israel and U.S. servant Hosni Mubarak, bombed Yemen to stop anti-American anti-Israel protestors, have protected several pro-U.S./Israel dictators, supported Iraq/America against Iran after they became an Islamic Republic, etc.

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It's not contradictory at all.

Not only that, but several of the FSA's video have been uploaded to Al Qaeda's official website before it was released anywhere else. The U.S. has also been calling these Al Qaeda terrorists protestors and supporting their insurgency.

Meanwhile Wahhabis in Saudi Arabia invaded Bahrain to kill and suppress protestors there to protect the U.S. Navy's Fifth Fleet, now they want to annex Bahrain to stop their revolution and keep Bahrain a pro-U.S. puppet state. The Wahhabis of Saudi Arabia and Egypt also allow the U.S. and Israel to occupy the Tiran and Sanafir islands and use them militarily and for spying. Saudi Wahhabis supported Israel and U.S. servant Hosni Mubarak, bombed Yemen to stop anti-American anti-Israel protestors, have protected several pro-U.S./Israel dictators, supported Iraq/America against Iran after they became an Islamic Republic, etc.

There is a difference between an enemy of your enemy being your friend, and an enemy being your friend. We shouldnt confuse the two here.

Al Queda operate on their own terms. Sometimes they share interests with other parties, and the actions of the two may coincide. However, crazy wahabis, would never...ever...ever, serve a secular, western, liberal, gay marriage supporting, alcohol enjoying country like the US. And they even more so wouldnt ever serve the jews either.

To believe they would...well, you may as well live in a dream land.

The US has a problem with Iran, and so do crazy sunnis. That does not mean that the sunnis serve the Americans or vise versa. It doesnt mean that the sunnis are puppets either.

They are two groups operating on mutual interests. And if those interests change, just like Saddam and the US, so will that alliance.

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There is a difference between an enemy of your enemy being your friend, and an enemy being your friend. We shouldnt confuse the two here.

Al Queda operate on their own terms. Sometimes they share interests with other parties, and the actions of the two may coincide. However, crazy wahabis, would never...ever...ever, serve a secular, western, liberal, gay marriage supporting, alcohol enjoying country like the US. And they even more so wouldnt ever serve the jews either.

To believe they would...well, you may as well live in a dream land.

Well I've posted several factual examples of Wahhabis serving countries like the U.S. and Israel, so if you disregard these facts then it's you who is living in a dream land. You also have to ask why Al Qaeda would want to bring down the Syrian regime solely because they have no U.S. military bases on their soil and do not support Israel. Sunni governments had no problem with Iran while the puppet Shah was in power. Then the Iranian people had a revolution that kicked out the puppets and put in place an Islamic government that doesn't cater to the U.S. and all of the sudden they're hostile towards Iran.

It's not about coincidences regarding enemies, it's about having identical agendas.

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As'Salaamu'Alaikum,

I listen to NPR every day though, and I keep hearing about the Syrian civil tention (for lack of a better word). I also know that Iran supports Syria, even now. Why is that?

Be sure ti visit presstv.ir for news too. If we only hvae western sources we'll never know the other half of the story. Iran is doing what is best for their interests. syria is full of al qaeda terrorist gangs that are working to install a new regime.

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Well I've posted several factual examples of Wahhabis serving countries like the U.S. and Israel, so if you disregard these facts then it's you who is living in a dream land. You also have to ask why Al Qaeda would want to bring down the Syrian regime solely because they have no U.S. military bases on their soil and do not support Israel. Sunni governments had no problem with Iran while the puppet Shah was in power. Then the Iranian people had a revolution that kicked out the puppets and put in place an Islamic government that doesn't cater to the U.S. and all of the sudden they're hostile towards Iran.

It's not about coincidences regarding enemies, it's about having identical agendas.

you posted a youtube video from press tv. That doesnt really constitute as factual.

Think about it.

Lets say you or I are the wahabi. We are these hardcore sunnis. We, in the worst case cenario despise the west. We despise gays and foreign occupancy. We despise the western way of life. The way women act immodestly, the way the corrupt white leaders support israel taking over jerusalem. We despise, in the worst case cenario as wahabi, everything the west stands for and is. All of the popular atheist movements and quran burning baptists etc.

Now think about it. Why would we serve the west, if not for our own interests?

Its common sense. These people arent puppets, they are their own entity, which is why the US spends hundreds of millions of dollars dropping bombs on them.

Now of course, if some come along and say, hey, we are going to attack Assad now. The US isnt going to step in and be like..."hey you cant do that!". But sitting back and allowing something to happen, or even indirectly supporting it, is not the same as having wahabis working for the US.

Its simply not logically possible. The only way they would ever appear to be working for israel or the US, is if there were a common interest

Well I've posted several factual examples of Wahhabis serving countries like the U.S. and Israel, so if you disregard these facts then it's you who is living in a dream land. You also have to ask why Al Qaeda would want to bring down the Syrian regime solely because they have no U.S. military bases on their soil and do not support Israel. Sunni governments had no problem with Iran while the puppet Shah was in power. Then the Iranian people had a revolution that kicked out the puppets and put in place an Islamic government that doesn't cater to the U.S. and all of the sudden they're hostile towards Iran.

It's not about coincidences regarding enemies, it's about having identical agendas.

And you said, why would al queda want to bring syria down.

Wahabis have been trying to bring down the assad regime for decades, and arguably generations now. Its not even really al queda. Its probably al queda, mixed in with the sons of the people who faught and died at assads fathers hands years ago.

Its probably also a number of people who are tired of a one party system that has without any form of democracy, dominated their house of representatives...if thats what they call it.

Why would al queda want to overthrow assad? Thats like asking why shias would want to overthrow the shah, its a silly question. they have been trying to take those guys down since before either of us were even born. But its hard to do when they roll out the tanks.

Now it appears the tide of war has changed.

Also, Its fine that the shias overthrew their secular govt who clearly didnt represent them. The shah was another ally against russia in the cold war, its not like it was personal. Its war, and thats the name of the game. Also, once power was taken, American hostages in Iran were also taken as well. And with Iran talking about whiping out Israel, its not too surprising that some officials have an issue with them. Likewise though, its not too surprising that irans leaders are sour over the situation too.

Thus is life.

Either way, Al queda are not slaves, nor servents of Israel or the west. In some cases they may be taken advantage of, in some cases they may work along side the US too.

During the afghan war, Iranians worked along side the US too. Its not too uncommon to work along side enemies for a common interest.

But to say that Iran served the US, just because Iran had partaken in a war started by the US, doesnt mean Iran is a servent of the US, nor does it mean Al queda is.

which is interesting because they supposedly assisted the taliban against the US as well. Ahmadinejad never denied these things, he would only respond by saying that if the US could fight for both sides, Iran could too. Welcome to politics.

It just means that people in some cases, share common interests. Thats all.

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Syria is the only remaining non-puppet state in Arabia after the fall of Gaddafi. What you see in the Western media saying protestors want Assad to fall is propaganda. The overwhelming majority of Syrians support their government, and the government has implemented or begun to implement all of the reforms genuine protestors wanted last year. What is going on now is Al Qaeda mercenaries are trying to bring down the Syrian government and make them a puppet state that serves America and Israel.

See my thread here for some proof: (Warning: You may find some of the videos graphic)

http://www.shiachat....e/#entry2453810

Salam,

Actually, Gaddafy was "our guy" like Saddam Insane, Hosni Mubarak, the Shah, Netanyahoo, Diem, and so on.

"Majority of Syrian" --today on TV the 4th Estate Media said "20% of Syrians want to be rid of Assad". OK, but this is an election year and over 40% of Americans want to be rid of Barak O-bomb-a.

"al-Qaida mercenaries" --al-Qaida attracted a lot of anti-social pathological types so their being in Syria working for the US and NATO should be expected because for them, it keeps the violence going. The US is running "death squad" operations like they did in Latin America.

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Iran is one of Syria's most close allies and Syria is one of Iran's closest. You stick with your allies. China is complicit in the horrible human rights abuses in korea for example.

During the Iran-Iraq war, Syria sided with the besieged iranian's. Of course they would be thankful and forge closer bonds. They both are anti-USA and anti-israel. It's irans desire to shi'a spread and in as much power as possible, bashar is mircaulously the (alawite) shia leader of the sunni majority state and this also has important geopolitical implications that go further than theology. All pretty standard politics.

You seem to imply (maybe i am reading into it too much) why is Iran supporting all this bloodshed, why is iran trying to suppress a revolution against an autocratic and dictatorial government? Let's not forget, Iran isn't the most perfect democracy itself.

Both sides are pretty dirty. The rebels are an unorganised collection of over 200 groups, including sunni terrorists. All these groups have different aims and methods. The most powerful group will establish the government it sees fit in the event assad falls. Bashars crew, including the thug millita's, aren't good boys either. They have been using heavy artillery against civilian targets. I'm pretty sure this might even be a war crime. The people want an actual democracy, they want an actual say. They're sick of the secret police and brutual repression.

Neither side is clean. Honestly, looking at the kind of government bashar ran, its not like it can get much worse. They already hit rock bottom on almost every scale of freedom and democracy. The brutal repression the government put upon the very people they are meant to govern was and is a disgusting abuse of power, man exploiting man. The only credit to his name is he maintained a releatively stable government. Thats not to say whoever will replace him will be much better, we can only hope for the best for the syrian people.

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you posted a youtube video from press tv. That doesnt really constitute as factual.

Not only that, but several of the FSA's video have been uploaded to Al Qaeda's official website before it was released anywhere else. The U.S. has also been calling these Al Qaeda terrorists protestors and supporting their insurgency.

Meanwhile Wahhabis in Saudi Arabia invaded Bahrain to kill and suppress protestors there to protect the U.S. Navy's Fifth Fleet, now they want to annex Bahrain to stop their revolution and keep Bahrain a pro-U.S. puppet state. The Wahhabis of Saudi Arabia and Egypt also allow the U.S. and Israel to occupy the Tiran and Sanafir islands and use them militarily and for spying. Saudi Wahhabis supported Israel and U.S. servant Hosni Mubarak, bombed Yemen to stop anti-American anti-Israel protestors, have protected several pro-U.S./Israel dictators, supported Iraq/America against Iran after they became an Islamic Republic, etc.

Those are videos from Press TV?

Think about it.

Lets say you or I are the wahabi. We are these hardcore sunnis. We, in the worst case cenario despise the west. We despise gays and foreign occupancy. We despise the western way of life. The way women act immodestly, the way the corrupt white leaders support israel taking over jerusalem. We despise, in the worst case cenario as wahabi, everything the west stands for and is. All of the popular atheist movements and quran burning baptists etc.

Now think about it. Why would we serve the west, if not for our own interests?

Its common sense. These people arent puppets, they are their own entity, which is why the US spends hundreds of millions of dollars dropping bombs on them.

Now of course, if some come along and say, hey, we are going to attack Assad now. The US isnt going to step in and be like..."hey you cant do that!". But sitting back and allowing something to happen, or even indirectly supporting it, is not the same as having wahabis working for the US.

Its simply not logically possible. The only way they would ever appear to be working for israel or the US, is if there were a common interest

What you don't seem to understand is what Al Qaeda publicy states is the polar opposite of what Al Qaeda actually practices. Al Qaeda says it's against this and that, but with does the opposite to support this and that. If a person says that they would never drink alcohol and oppose it in every way, but take a drink of alcohol two minutes later and operates his own chain liquor stores, does it mean that, that person would actually never drink alcohol or opposes it in every way?

And you said, why would al queda want to bring syria down.

Wahabis have been trying to bring down the assad regime for decades, and arguably generations now. Its not even really al queda.

Yes, because they don't cater to the U.S. and Israel like other Arab nations, which should give you hint. Why haven't they tried to bring down the Egyptian government for protecting Israel, cutting off the Gaza Strip and killing fighters who go to fight Israel from Africa (non of whom were Al Qaeda btw)? Why haven't they tried to bring down the Bahraini government who caters to the U.S. and houses the U.S. Navy's Fifth Fleet, giving them a major military presence in the gulf? Why haven't they tried to bring down the Saudi regime who caters to the U.S. and allows the U.S. and Israel to occupy the Tiran and Sanafir islands and use them militarily and for spying?

Its not even really al queda.

Like I said, several of the videos posted by the FSA website were poster to Al Qaeda's website first, so yes, it is very much Al Qaeda. It makes no difference there are other terrorists who teamed up with them to murder children and innocent people and want to overthrow their government because they're not the slaves of America. The fact is this is a terrorist insurgency, not a revolution.

Its probably also a number of people who are tired of a one party system that has without any form of democracy, dominated their house of representatives...if thats what they call it.

Which Bashar Al-Assad has agreed to change in accordance with the people's wishes, in case you haven't heard.

Why would al queda want to overthrow assad? Thats like asking why shias would want to overthrow the shah, its a silly question. they have been trying to take those guys down since before either of us were even born. But its hard to do when they roll out the tanks.

That makes no sense whatsoever. Al Qaeda wants to overthrow Assad because he's not a U.S. puppet who supports Israel, and the Shah was overthrown because he was a U.S. puppet who catered to Israel. The 1979 Islamic Revolution of Iran was in the favor of Islam and to the detriment of Western interests, while everything Al Qaeda does is against the interests of Islam and in the favor of Western Interests. This only confirms that Al Qaeda is a tool of the U.S.

Also, Its fine that the shias overthrew their secular govt who clearly didnt represent them. The shah was another ally against russia in the cold war, its not like it was personal.

The Shah was put in place after a coup d'état in 1953 that overthrew democratically elected Mohammad Mosaddegh after he nationalized Iran's oild industry. Of course the Shah, a clear American puppet, would oppose Russia in the cold war.

Its war, and thats the name of the game. Also, once power was taken, American hostages in Iran were also taken as well. And with Iran talking about whiping out Israel, its not too surprising that some officials have an issue with them. Likewise though, its not too surprising that irans leaders are sour over the situation too.

What are you even talking about?

Thus is life.

Either way, Al queda are not slaves, nor servents of Israel or the west. In some cases they may be taken advantage of, in some cases they may work along side the US too.

During the afghan war, Iranians worked along side the US too. Its not too uncommon to work along side enemies for a common interest.

But to say that Iran served the US, just because Iran had partaken in a war started by the US, doesnt mean Iran is a servent of the US, nor does it mean Al queda is.

which is interesting because they supposedly assisted the taliban against the US as well. Ahmadinejad never denied these things, he would only respond by saying that if the US could fight for both sides, Iran could too. Welcome to politics.

It just means that people in some cases, share common interests. Thats all.

Iran never partnered up with the U.S. in the Afghan war. They protected their borders against the Taliban, but they never did so because of U.S. orders or in cooperation with the U.S.

When a government or organization take their orders directly from another, disregard their people's wishes, and send their soldiers to fight their wars, then they are, in fact, puppets.

Saying that Al Qaeda is an independent organization that does not serve the U.S.'s interests is a completely baseless statement and is contradicted by the facts. Saying that countries only serve the U.S. because they have mutual interests is also completely contradictory of the facts.

Your should really understand the concept of a puppet government:

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Puppet_state

Salam,

Actually, Gaddafy was "our guy" like Saddam Insane, Hosni Mubarak, the Shah, Netanyahoo, Diem, and so on.

Salam,

Unfortunately, brother, that is not completely accurate. Hosni Mubarak and the Shah were both dictators at the service of America and Israel who gave all their nation's wealth to America, Britain and Israel. So was Saddam up until the 1988 when he broke off from America because of the heavy losses he took in the 8-year Iran-Iraq and tried to start his own empire like Hitler. America supported Hosni Mubarak and the Shah, as well as Saddam before the end of the Iran-Iraq war. Gaddafi, however, did not cater to the U.S. and Israel, and the wealth of the nation very much benefited the people (at least moreso than other nations). Libya was the only country other than Syria to support Iran in the Iran-Iraq war. Gaddafi also stopped the rapid development of their military and abandoned its nuclear program, showing that he was not a crazed imperialist like Saddam after breaking off from America. Libya was actually the most developed nation in Africa, even morso than South Africa. Libya also led the majority of Arabian countries in social services. There's a reason the U.S. was so eager to bomb Libya and is now eager to attack Syria, but support the dictators like Hosni Mubarak of Egypt, Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa of Bahrain, Abdullah bin Abdulaziz al Saud of 'Saudi' Arabia, Ali Abdullah Saleh of Yemen, etc.

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Iran, Syria's only remaining ally in the Middle East. People who claim that is about Islam, Zionist, Imperialist etc. are fooling themselves.

Iran would support anyone at this time [Edited]. Because the west, Zionists, and Arabs formed an alliance to eliminate Iranian regime.

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What you don't seem to understand is what Al Qaeda publicy states is the polar opposite of what Al Qaeda actually practices. Al Qaeda says it's against this and that, but with does the opposite to support this and that. If a person says that they would never drink alcohol and oppose it in every way, but take a drink of alcohol two minutes later and operates his own chain liquor stores, does it mean that, that person would actually never drink alcohol or opposes it in every way?

Right, because they go out of their way preaching about Islam every 2 seconds, but in reality they are liquored up with stripper muslimahs in the back. thats realistic.

Yes, because they don't cater to the U.S. and Israel like other Arab nations, which should give you hint. Why haven't they tried to bring down the Egyptian government for protecting Israel, cutting off the Gaza Strip and killing fighters who go to fight Israel from Africa (non of whom were Al Qaeda btw)? Why haven't they tried to bring down the Bahraini government who caters to the U.S. and houses the U.S. Navy's Fifth Fleet, giving them a major military presence in the gulf? Why haven't they tried to bring down the Saudi regime who caters to the U.S. and allows the U.S. and Israel to occupy the Tiran and Sanafir islands and use them militarily and for spying?

Why havent they tried to bring down the egyption govt? Last i checked it was brought down. And we all saw the random nuts riding around on camels like it was the crusades.

Also, many of these people are from syria or have history with syria. If Assads father killed your father, do you think you would be concerned about travelling to bahrain to fight there? No.

Which Bashar Al-Assad has agreed to change in accordance with the people's wishes, in case you haven't heard.

Well, good thing he didnt wait till the last minute when his country began falling apart.

Well im done here. You have shown clear ignorance on multiple grounds.

"Iran never partnered up with the U.S. in the Afghan war."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_uprising_in_Herat

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Right, because they go out of their way preaching about Islam every 2 seconds, but in reality they are liquored up with stripper muslimahs in the back. thats realistic.

Right, because there's no such thing as a liar or hypocrite.

You also completely ignored all the other facts...

Meanwhile Wahhabis in Saudi Arabia invaded Bahrain to kill and suppress protestors there to protect the U.S. Navy's Fifth Fleet, now they want to annex Bahrain to stop their revolution and keep Bahrain a pro-U.S. puppet state. The Wahhabis of Saudi Arabia and Egypt also allow the U.S. and Israel to occupy the Tiran and Sanafir islands and use them militarily and for spying. Saudi Wahhabis supported Israel and U.S. servant Hosni Mubarak, bombed Yemen to stop anti-American anti-Israel protestors, have protected several pro-U.S./Israel dictators, supported Iraq/America against Iran after they became an Islamic Republic, etc.

But I guess reality is 'unrealistic'.

Why havent they tried to bring down the egyption govt? Last i checked it was brought down. And we all saw the random nuts riding around on camels like it was the crusades.

Except it wasn't brought down by Al Qaeda, nor did Al Qaeda support the revolution or carry out attacks on Egyptian government targets in the 40+ years Egypt has been catering to Israel. Like you said though, they have tried to bring down Syria for decades because it did not serve Israel.

Also, many of these people are from syria or have history with syria. If Assads father killed your father, do you think you would be concerned about travelling to bahrain to fight there? No.

1) That is completely baseless and evidence to the contrary proves the overwhelming majority of fighters are mercenaries, primarily from Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

2) Assad's father was not a ruthlessly murderous dictator like you're trying to imply.

Its probably also a number of people who are tired of a one party system that has without any form of democracy, dominated their house of representatives...if thats what they call it.

Which Bashar Al-Assad has agreed to change in accordance with the people's wishes, in case you haven't heard.

Well, good thing he didnt wait till the last minute when his country began falling apart.

Immediately after protestors from his country demanded it is last minute? Do you ever make any sense?

"Iran never partnered up with the U.S. in the Afghan war."

http://en.wikipedia....rising_in_Herat

lmao Have you read the citations for that page?

"Meanwhile, a team of U.S. Special Forces and CIA agents would oversee the operation in Tehran alongside Iranian military intelligence.[4]"

Source: http://www.spongobongo.com/

Another source from that page:

http://www.usatoday....n-taliban_x.htm

"Members of Iran's Revolutionary Guards fought alongside and advised the Afghan rebels who helped U.S. forces topple Afghanistan's Taliban regime"

Meaning Iran fought alongside the Afghans, and in turn the Afghans helped the the U.S.

Well im done here. You have shown clear ignorance on multiple grounds.

LOL How ironic. You say that after you've completely disregarded the facts. Let's run through this, shall we?

- You refuse to believe Wahhabis are anything but 100% sincere Muslim saints and dismiss the idea of anything other than this as 'unrealistic', despite mountains of evidence and facts proving otherwise

- You refuse to believe Al Qaeda works for the U.S.'s interests, despite mountains of evidence and facts proving otherwise

- You refuse to believe the existence of puppet governments, despite mountains of evidence and facts proving otherwise

Ignorance is bliss.

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People of syria have been fighting this battle for decades. Assads father massacred thousands.

Iran and the US coordinated their operations together...thats all.

Iran wasnt the US lapdog, nor vise versa, but they still worked together. They took planned action simultaneously and gained victory only with the others support.

None of these points can be argued against. Theyre very simple and well established.

Just as Iran was not the US lapdog in afghanistan, al queda, isnt necessarily a US lapdog in syria.

They act independently.

Its like Saddam Hussain. Was he really a lapdog? No, not really. Lapdogs do not defy their owners.

Yes he was somewhat of a "puppet" at first, but ultimately the reality of who Saddam was, came into play when he stood against the US.

Saddam was a man who worked in his own interests. At the time of the cold war, his interests aligned with the US. The US and he worked together, and he gained the benefit of power. Then his interests were in Kuwait. He acted independently and defied the US's interests. He did not have allegiance to anyone but himself.

The same goes for Gadaffi. They are independent entities. One day, they appear to be puppets or lapdogs, but in reality, they are serving themselves. Whether with US support, or without.

Al queda is the same way. Warriors forged in time, with initial interests matching the US. But ultimately, these people choose their own path. Nobody is forcing any gun in their hands. They willfully take arms against oppressors of the homeland. Be it US troops, US "puppets", dictators, rich wahabi.

The US wouldnt spend hundreds of millions bombing them if they were under US control. The reality is, they are out of everyones control. The US has little control in the region, which is why all the troops are high tailing it out of there.

The people themselves are the only ones who can control their own future.

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