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I heard some "happy" news last night: for the 3rd month in a row, Romney has had more in donations than I-bomb-bomb (Oh-bomb-'em, Obomba,...) :)

Now, I like Obama, but I am 'finished' with his poor performance and other things.

To itemize:

1) Instead of capturing UBL(binLadin) Obama had him assassinated...to shut him up is the only explanation as to 'why'. After we horsed-around, spent Trillions of debt-dollars, and ruined or killed off hundreds of American lives (not counting thousands of Afhan-Paki lives) what does he do last year? Kill the terrorist and not capture and interrogate him. :realangery: What embarrasments does the US not want revealed?

2) Obama's support of "gay privledges". Marriage is not a 'right' to begin with. To a Christian it is a sacrament. For muslims it is a contract. Obama offends the Bible and the Quran. Obama is :sick: .

3) Falsely presenting "illegal children" as "victums...through no fault of their own" . Remember the "Cuban raft boy" (Ramierz I think his name was) who was returned to his father in Cuba? By conniving a precept for these illegals to stay, their parents are automatically given citizenship, because you can't seperate a minor from his parents. :no:

4) Throwing away $5 Trillion Debt-Dollars on an imitation of FDR's programs of the 1930s --most of which failed then, so why would they 'work' in the next century? :cry:

5) Trying for the "easy vote getters" of foreign policies/actions without thinking any of this through. Using lies hysterical accusations. :mad: And, like some of his predecessors, fantisizing he is somehow 'chosen'. That comes from :shaytan:

6) For hiring and sponsoring anti-social personalities to wreak murder and mayhem in Libya and Syria and supporting 'strong-armed suppression' in Yemen and Bahrain. :sick: :realangery:

What else?

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You're really mistaken if you "like" the Zionist's preferred candidate Romney to win the elections. But you sound like an American Supremecist Imperialist anyway, with such posts as:

I worked in Japan and I'd have to listen to students' self-righteous tirades about Japanese being "singled-out" or "experimented on" because they had two weapons dropped on them.

Then I'd asked them a question: What would they prefer? That they'd be burned to death like in the Sendai and Tokyo fire-bombings?

Maybe you don't want to listen to the self-righteous tirades of Shia who don't want a war against Iran like Romney promised?

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You're really mistaken if you "like" the Zionist's preferred candidate Romney to win the elections. But you sound like an American Supremecist Imperialist anyway, with such posts as:

Maybe you don't want to listen to the self-righteous tirades of Shia who don't want a war against Iran like Romney promised?

1) Nothing in what I wrote says I "like" Romney --who is Mormon which is not even Christian.

2) I do not want a war against Iran. So why the frabricated accusations? Are you one of those evilgelical monitors/provacatuers?

Please, Romney's worse.

Most likely true. But a change in administration will buy time for Iran to prepare for the drone onslaught.

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Romney, a man who'se spent his life outsourcing jobs to other countries, can hardly be expected by a rational person to improve America's economy. And in fact, you can't just elect someone and hope him to fix everything, you must be a part of the solution, change yourselves and your own habits, and help the economy through your own actions. And anyway, American society is too divided and I don't think anyone can make a change in such a society.

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The greatest trick the conservatives have ever pulled has been to get the poor and the middle class to vote against their own interests. Your politics is a joke over there compared to the rest of the west. It's a choice between center-right or wacky wacky far right. A fat-cat corrupt congress with a 15% approval rating who barely passes anything simply because of sectarian divides...did they forget they were elected to keep the country running and serve their people? It's time to just wipe the board clear and start over again. According to a few different analysis', romneys tax plan will raise taxes on the poor and middle class but will give the megarich tax-cuts ranging into the 10s of thousands of dollars. Who needs it more in a time like this? Them or the poor? Not to mention they're the crowd more likely to be against anything to do with islam as well. I can't believe so many of you are so sold on this that you're willing to not only roll over but you've been convinced to help dig your own grave as well. I've seen the horrible state of your media though... i can't blame you.

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Taxes will be lower because he'll strip the government for everything its worth. What would you rather, a $500 dollar tax cut or for your fellow citizen to not go bankrupt because he has cancer? Hell, i do that for even a 5000 tax hike. A tax cut means nothing if you're making low wages and you're exploited by the banksters like romney to begin with. A tax cut means even less if you've got no job through no fault of your own.

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I heard some "happy" news last night: for the 3rd month in a row, Romney has had more in donations than I-bomb-bomb (Oh-bomb-'em, Obomba,...) :)

Betting markets (yeah, yeah i know tool of satan) are predicting Obama to win. They tend to be fairly accurate. The real clear politics average also has consistently predicted obama to win.

Now, I like Obama, but I am 'finished' with his poor performance and other things.

An old teacher in highschool once pointed out this to us - "The Sad thing is you probably know a lot more about American culture and politics than they know about ours".

Honestly, with congress being obstructionist petty school children, unwilling to make any kind of sensible compromise, can you blame him? 15% approval rating for congress. I'm not sure if you know what politics is like in other countries but it is not like this at all. Maybe you don't realise just how bad you have it sitting on the inside of this storm. The problem isn't obama, it isn't romney. It transcends these people. The problem is the system, your system is sick. The whole thing needs to be fixed.

1) Instead of capturing UBL(binLadin) Obama had him assassinated...to shut him up is the only explanation as to 'why'. After we horsed-around, spent Trillions of debt-dollars, and ruined or killed off hundreds of American lives (not counting thousands of Afhan-Paki lives) what does he do last year? Kill the terrorist and not capture and interrogate him. :realangery: What embarrasments does the US not want revealed?

Honestly, your country has one of the highest murder rates in the developed world, your prisons are overflowing, inequality is huge and growing on a daily basis and THIS is what makes your top 5?

It was better he killed him. It got it over and done with. If they captured him, where would they keep him? His buddies would try bust him out. There would be a very lengthy trial. It would be traumatic for the nation as a whole. Plus, once you have him in prison, its not like you can easily get rid of him then. The issue would continue for decades. Thats not what we need at all. We need to close this chapter. This was the best way. They captured a lot of his documents and interrogated a lot of the people he was with. Thats good enough.

2) Obama's support of "gay privledges". Marriage is not a 'right' to begin with. To a Christian it is a sacrament. For muslims it is a contract. Obama offends the Bible and the Quran. Obama is :sick: .

What about all the citizens that aren't muslim or christian? What about all the muslims or christians that are supportive of gay rights? What gives you a right, to use the government as a tool, to legislate what people should do in their personal life, especially when it affects you not even one iota. This is why nothing ever gets done overthere, so much time is spent bickering over petty things or ways to control people or force them to follow your morals rather than the actual serious business of government. As clinton said, "its the economy, stupid".

Its a slippery slope. Ok, so, you want to impose your morals on everyone else. To apply John Rawls theory of the veil of ignorance, how would you feel if society was 90% gay and that was the norm. You are straight, you love your partner so much, all you want to do is get married and be left alone. Suddenly, the government makes a law to ban you and your wife from getting married. How would you feel if you were in this position?

Better yet, what if they passed a law banning mosques or something like that? Government shouldn't be in the bussiness of legislating morality. They should be doing actual important things. It's this kind of logic thats running your country into the ground. It's a non-issue for the rest of the west.

3) Falsely presenting "illegal children" as "victums...through no fault of their own" . Remember the "Cuban raft boy" (Ramierz I think his name was) who was returned to his father in Cuba? By conniving a precept for these illegals to stay, their parents are automatically given citizenship, because you can't seperate a minor from his parents. :no:

Honestly, it isn't the childrens fault. Don't you feel any sort of compassion for these poor children? They didn't leave their homeland because they wanted to. They left it because they were suffering crippling poverty. Considering how bad the economy is though...the USA might not be the best destination to escape crippling poverty either..

6) For hiring and sponsoring anti-social personalities to wreak murder and mayhem in Libya and Syria and supporting 'strong-armed suppression' in Yemen and Bahrain. :sick: :realangery:

If you think the democrats are bad...wait and see what the republicans (except congressman paul) have in store...this will seem minor in comparison.

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And when it comes to taxes, what makes you happy that Romney will lower taxes? After all, when he taxes you the money goes somewhere else. You may work for a construction firm. If the government takes more money in taxes, it might spend more on construction, and you'll have a stable job. On the other hand, if the government cuts taxes, and reduces funding, you may get laid off from your job.

Isn't it better for the rich to be taxed on their extra income at gradually higher rates, and the money spent on things like universities, hospitals, transport, roads and libraries?

Or is it better to cut taxes in the hope that these mega super rich businessmen open new businesses (which they would do anyway, even in presence of taxes, because that's the only way to make more money) and then, maybe, use it on creating jobs which you might get?

The rich don't spend their money on creating jobs anyway, they spend all their personal wealth on luxuries. Better to tax it off them and use it for public goods, IMO.

But that would be socialism.

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Lower taxes mean that companies can afford to hire more worker. I also lowers the price of items that we purchase.

If those companies remain in the U.S. (most likely they will relocate to another country)

Unless you are talking about some stupid job like Wal-Mart and K-Mart

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Wow, how can you support romney or obama? Every four years there is a stupid fake election.

there is no democracy in America. Every four years its the same ole [Edited Out]. Don't expect anything to change but the faces. The rigged game will stay the same.

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Wow, how can you support romney or obama? Every four years there is a stupid fake election.

there is no democracy in America. Every four years its the same ole [Edited Out]. Don't expect anything to change but the faces. The rigged game will stay the same.

It is not rigged!

As I am not american citzen, I cannot vote in USA. But the best candidate is definitelyJill Stein of the Green party.

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Jill_Stein

I advice all american voters to vote for her. If she gets more than 50% of the votes she will definitely be your next president. But I am afraid most americans are too stupid and narrowminded to do that.

WHY ARE AMERICANS SO STUPID? I know there are obvious flaws in the american democratic system. E.g. it seems to be necessary to have money to pay for stupid advertisment in order to fool stupid american citizens. But why are americans unable of independent thinking? Why can´t they study what the candidates have to say and make their own decision? We europeans can do this.

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Salam,

I'm not voting this time. I voted for Obama in 2008 and that was a huge disappointment. I only voted for Obama because I thought there was a good chance that Insane John McCain would start WWIII. I didn't have high hopes from the beginning but what little tiny sliver of hope I had , even that has not been realized. This is the American political system in a nutshell. They will say whatever their constituents want to hear in order to get elected. Once there in office, they have the same bosses, Big Zionist Lobby, Big Insurance Lobby, Big Pharma Lobby, Big Oil Lobby, Big Finance Lobby, Big Defense Lobby. So unless your in one of those groups, you basically get the shaft, whatever party you vote for. The Big Lobbys are getting more and more bold in taking away from the other 99% what little they have left.

So I am expecting a revolution soon. What kind of revolution I don't know, but it seems that is the only way to extricate these Big Lobbys from power.

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It is not rigged!

As I am not american citzen, I cannot vote in USA. But the best candidate is definitelyJill Stein of the Green party.

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Jill_Stein

I advice all american voters to vote for her. If she gets more than 50% of the votes she will definitely be your next president. But I am afraid most americans are too stupid and narrowminded to do that.

WHY ARE AMERICANS SO STUPID? I know there are obvious flaws in the american democratic system. E.g. it seems to be necessary to have money to pay for stupid advertisment in order to fool stupid american citizens. But why are americans unable of independent thinking? Why can´t they study what the candidates have to say and make their own decision? We europeans can do this.

You haven't exactly shown yourself to be the brightest crayon in the box :dry:

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He has the right to veto (rarely used), but only congress can officially declare war ... The president can order troops into combat for a specific amount of time, i think 60 day, and after that time he must go before congress to have it approved or the troops will be pulled out.

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He has the right to veto (rarely used), but only congress can officially declare war ... The president can order troops into combat for a specific amount of time, i think 60 day, and after that time he must go before congress to have it approved or the troops will be pulled out.

If you are right it seems to me too much attention is payed to the US presidential election. Actually the congress is guilty of the criminal US politics - imperialism, pollution etc.

E.g. Obama has demanded that Israel respect the borders before the six day war. But he cannot do anything.

The only other canidate that i know of is that vulgar comedian Roseann Barr http://http://en.wikipedia....i/Roseanne_Barr .

She wanted to be the Green party candidate. So maybe she is OK. USA is the worst polluter in the world.

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Lower taxes mean that companies can afford to hire more worker. I also lowers the price of items that we purchase.

Not really, lower taxes means that greedy corporate heads are able to pull a larger chunk away from profits, deciding instead to invest their low taxed earnings in more safer, profitable areas around the world. Even if they do invest it back into the American economy, it usually is into areas (real estate etc) which are of little or no benefit to the general economy.

It is quite obvious that capital is not the issue in the States, it is inequality. The rich simply need to be taxed more, a lot more, and this income needs to be invested back into the economy hopefully in the form of more social services and things like better transit systems etc.

In an age where Americans needs to be building their own high speed rail systems, American CEO's are instead busy funding these contracts in countries like Spain. Obviously short term financial gain takes priority over national concerns.

I have said this before, you should try looking at countries in which some people are taxed up to 80%. Sweden is one of the most highly taxed countries in the world, yet people there have no issues lending a helping hand because of the quality of services these revenues provide for everyone. No one in Sweden dares blame all their problems on welfare moms leeching off the system. One of the most dynamic economies in the world, with world class health care, free post secondary education and strong democratic institutions. Almost all big private firms are unionized.

The inequality in the US is staggering, cut down military spending, institute a universal health care system comparable to other industrialized nations (will dramatically cut down health care costs), tax the rich more and invest in much needed programs across the country, and then one can start talking about making a healthy recovery.

Romney would be a disaster, even economically speaking.

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The American ruler has the power to do just about anything he likes - not only kill any foreigners by bombing their homes (as is done regularly in Afghanistan) but also with the new NDAA imprison any American citizen as long as he likes.

Then there's the extraordinary rendition program (taking people abroad to torture them) and the upcoming country-wide surveillance program.

How that person can be called a 'president' is beyond me. It's more power than that some monarchs, kings and dictators have.

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As a former solider in the United States Army I can tell you that with a very few unsanctioned expections we don't target civilians. Unfortunetly accedents do happen especially when the enemy is cowardly enough to hide among civilians and use them as shields.

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I might be biased living under a parliamentary system but i definitely think compared to the current US presidential system, it is much better. In a parliamentary system, the prime minister (the executive) is elected at the same time as the representatives and senators (legislative). The prime minister is the leader of the party with the majority support of the electorate. You don't wind up with this weird situation where you have a democratic president but a republican congress and you're crippled.

Just for those who are a little unsure about parliamentary terms:

Executive = Prime Minister = President (similar anyway)

Legislative = Representatives/Senators

Ill just leave this here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_system#Advantages_of_parliamentary_systems

And why is socialism such a dirty word? Or even a whiff of socialism? I'm not proposing all out socialism but your country could certainly use a much more healthy mix (eg. Social Democracy) as seen in places like Canada or Germany.

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