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Salams everyone

since I started in the fashion and crafts industry, I have been meeting a lot of people (virtually) that are from Israel (Occupied Palestine), and they all share the same interests with me, and I get a lot of invitations to join their groups/fb pages & friend requests, but just the fact that they reside Occupied Palestine makes me feel so uncomfortable to make any contact with them or even to accept their invites.

Am I being unfair to them and judgmental?

what would you do if you were me?

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Salams everyone

since I started in the fashion and crafts industry, I have been meeting a lot of people (virtually) that are from Israel (Occupied Palestine), and they all share the same interests with me, and I get a lot of invitations to join their groups/fb pages & friend requests, but just the fact that they reside Occupied Palestine makes me feel so uncomfortable to make any contact with them or even to accept their invites.

Am I being unfair to them and judgmental?

what would you do if you were me?

Why would you make your business a political one that is something in international level? You need to keep social contacts with ppl you deal with, nothing is wrong with that.

Besides, ask yourself, how many Palestinians will do such a thing for you? How many ever stood by oppressed Shias of Iraq when Saddam, the butcher of Baghdad massacred them? Instead, they considered Saddam a hero, they consider Al-Zarqawi a known Shia-killer as one of their heroes.

They are supporting the armed terrorists against Syria, a country who did everything to support Palestinian cause and stood strong against Israel.

Palestinians never see Shias as their Muslim brothers, they never even consider basic human rights for Shias.

They SIDE WITH the known Zionist slaves like Ahle Saud and Ahle Khalifa.

How many times you seen these Salafis sending aids or wishing victory for Shia Lebanese who faced Israeli occupation? They even banned their followers during the times of war (2006) from praying for Shias because according to them, Shias are worse than Jews.

These Salafis, out of jealousy mock and actively work against Shia groups in Lebanon & Iran who did everything in their history to see the Palestinian cause as one of their own, but today it is "Hizbulat" as they say it..without any specific reason they just HATE, or simply hate for a specific sectarian reason,.

During the day of Ashura last year, the Sunni government of Gaza stormed a Shia gathering and beaten Shia mourners, taken some of them to prisons.

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Why would you make your business a political one that is something in international level? You need to keep social contacts with ppl you deal with, nothing is wrong with that.

Besides, ask yourself, how many Palestinians will do such a thing for you? How many ever stood by oppressed Shias of Iraq when Saddam, the butcher of Baghdad massacred them? Instead, they considered Saddam a hero, they consider Al-Zarqawi a known Shia-killer as one of their heroes.

They are supporting the armed terrorists against Syria, a country who did everything to support Palestinian cause and stood strong against Israel.

Palestinians never see Shias as their Muslim brothers, they never even consider basic human rights for Shias.

They SIDE WITH the known Zionist slaves like Ahle Saud and Ahle Khalifa.

How many times you seen these Salafis sending aids or wishing victory for Shia Lebanese who faced Israeli occupation? They even banned their followers during the times of war (2006) from praying for Shias because according to them, Shias are worse than Jews.

These Salafis, out of jealousy mock and actively work against Shia groups in Lebanon & Iran who did everything in their history to see the Palestinian cause as one of their own, but today it is "Hizbulat" as they say it..without any specific reason they just HATE, or simply hate for a specific sectarian reason,.

During the day of Ashura last year, the Sunni government of Gaza stormed a Shia gathering and beaten Shia mourners, taken some of them to prisons.

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And the Israelis has done NOTHING to us Shias then?

Yes they did. Shias need to hate Israelis for their own reasons. Fight your own war. Why to bother in a conflict where you are never welcomed and never recognized, and being viewed as a suspect by these Salafi-nationalist ignorant folks! After 30 yrs of Shia Iran's help to these ignorant folks, they say, the Rafidhi-Persian Iran is as dangerous as Israel or more dangerous than Israel to Arabs-Sunnis. And now it is not only Iran but even the Syrian and Lebanese Arabs are also more dangerous than the Israelis because of the sectarian reasons. The very same people welcome NATO and Zionist agendas in Syria, in Iraq and Lebanon and side with Israel against Iran's nuclear case. But, we are sitting here and mourning for these people 24/7. How do you want to judge such an ignorant cult?

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Yes they did. Shias need to hate Israelis for their own reasons. Fight your own war. Why to bother in a conflict where you are never welcomed and never recognized, and being viewed as a suspect by these Salafi-nationalist ignorant folks! After 30 yrs of Shia Iran's help to these ignorant folks, they say, the Rafidhi-Persian Iran is as dangerous as Israel or more dangerous than Israel to Arabs-Sunnis. And now it is not only Iran but even the Syrian and Lebanese Arabs are also more dangerous than the Israelis because of the sectarian reasons. The very same people welcome NATO and Zionist agendas in Syria, in Iraq and Lebanon and side with Israel against Iran's nuclear case. But, we are sitting here and mourning for these people 24/7. How do you want to judge such an ignorant cult?

We do fight Israel for our own reasons. Palestine, which belongs to Arabs and Muslims, is occupied. It's our duty as Arabs and as Muslims to support the Palestinian cause. Don't forget that there are many Palestinians supporting the resistance. There are many Arabs and Muslims around the world supporting the resistance. You can not just say that every Palestinian is against the resistance.

Salafis are ugly dogs, the ugliest dogs bark the loudest. That's all.

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Salams everyone

since I started in the fashion and crafts industry, I have been meeting a lot of people (virtually) that are from Israel (Occupied Palestine), and they all share the same interests with me, and I get a lot of invitations to join their groups/fb pages & friend requests, but just the fact that they reside Occupied Palestine makes me feel so uncomfortable to make any contact with them or even to accept their invites.

Am I being unfair to them and judgmental?

what would you do if you were me?

You shouldn't burn yourself out. Talking to people on facebook dosn't make much of a difference when you look at the big picture.

salamu alaikum. :)

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We do fight Israel for our own reasons. Palestine, which belongs to Arabs and Muslims, is occupied. It's our duty as Arabs and as Muslims to support the Palestinian cause. Don't forget that there are many Palestinians supporting the resistance. There are many Arabs and Muslims around the world supporting the resistance. You can not just say that every Palestinian is against the resistance.

Salafis are ugly dogs, the ugliest dogs bark the loudest. That's all.

Palestine belongs to Palestinians. Other Arabs have their own countries and same is true with other Muslims. We in Islam do not know and are not interested in your Arab business. Good luck with that, since from what I understand, this Arabism never applied to Shias suffering from Iraq to Bahrain, from Yemen to Saudi, the Shias are viewed as 25th class citizens and are often called Iranian agents for being Shia. I am really amazed and to be honest disappointed if any Shia Arab falls for this Arabism... Isn't the humiliation and oppression Shias face under the rules of Ahle Saud, Ahle Khalifa and Ahl Sabah and (ex-Saddamists) enough to give up on such an (unislamic) cause of Arabism? This happens while almost 99% of Sunni Arabs either support these tyrants against their fellow Arabs (Shias) or are silence.

Good luck to the ignorant Shia folks who still kiss the feet of Ahl Khalifa for being Arab. This is the same dictator regime who imports 'Pakistani, Bangalis, Baluch' and other non Arab Sunni-Salafis to counter the majority Shia population of his country.

Why is it then forbidden for Persians to fight for Persian causes or other non Arab Muslims, while Arab Muslims are always proud and allowed to call or fight for Arab cause? One is unislamic, the second one is very Islamic?

We are the Shias of Ali and the Shias of the great prophet of God.. Not the Shias of Arabs.. not the Shias of Al-Zarqawi, not the Shias of Saddam or Ahle Khalifa, or Ahle Saud and any ‘murtad’ who praises them or are their friends. It is not my duty as a Muslim to free Palestine... If Palestinians stand by oppressed Shias of Lebanon, Iraq, Bahrain, Yemen and Saudi, then we stand by them.. if they support Syria, Iran and Hizb against the Zionists, then we support them... if it is the opposite, then they can go to hell. The Syrian conflict, the Lebanese war, and the position the so called Muslim countries of Arabs taken against Iran in the region unmasked almost everyone. Those who call Iran more dangerous than Israel are not part of the Ummah that I consider myself. They could be part of Ummah of the times of ‘Jahilya’ and paganism.

Those who supported these Salafi lunatics 24/7 some of them are already disappointed.. more will be disappointed by the so called Ummah members in the near future.

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Palestine belongs to Palestinians. Other Arabs have their own countries and same is true with other Muslims. We in Islam do not know and are not interested in your Arab business. Good luck with that, since from what I understand, this Arabism never applied to Shias suffering from Iraq to Bahrain, from Yemen to Saudi, the Shias are viewed as 25th class citizens and are often called Iranian agents for being Shia. I am really amazed and to be honest disappointed if any Shia Arab falls for this Arabism... Isn't the humiliation and oppression Shias face under the rules of Ahle Saud, Ahle Khalifa and Ahl Sabah and (ex-Saddamists) enough to give up on such an (unislamic) cause of Arabism? This happens while almost 99% of Sunni Arabs either support these tyrants against their fellow Arabs (Shias) or are silence.

Good luck to the ignorant Shia folks who still kiss the feet of Ahl Khalifa for being Arab. This is the same dictator regime who imports 'Pakistani, Bangalis, Baluch' and other non Arab Sunni-Salafis to counter the majority Shia population of his country.

Why is it then forbidden for Persians to fight for Persian causes or other non Arab Muslims, while Arab Muslims are always proud and allowed to call or fight for Arab cause? One is unislamic, the second one is very Islamic?

We are the Shias of Ali and the Shias of the great prophet of God.. Not the Shias of Arabs.. not the Shias of Al-Zarqawi, not the Shias of Saddam or Ahle Khalifa, or Ahle Saud and any ‘murtad’ who praises them or are their friends. It is not my duty as a Muslim to free Palestine... If Palestinians stand by oppressed Shias of Lebanon, Iraq, Bahrain, Yemen and Saudi, then we stand by them.. if they support Syria, Iran and Hizb against the Zionists, then we support them... if it is the opposite, then they can go to hell. The Syrian conflict, the Lebanese war, and the position the so called Muslim countries of Arabs taken against Iran in the region unmasked almost everyone. Those who call Iran more dangerous than Israel are not part of the Ummah that I consider myself. They could be part of Ummah of the times of ‘Jahilya’ and paganism.

Those who supported these Salafi lunatics 24/7 some of them are already disappointed.. more will be disappointed by the so called Ummah members in the near future.

You fail to see my point. Sort your feelings out before replying, I was simply stating that Arab lands are being occupied and Muslim lands are being occupied. Therefore it is the duty of Muslims and Arabs (NOT ALL ARABS ARE MUSLIMS) to stand against the occupiers.

And trust me there are many Palestinians supporting the resistance, they mainly reside in Syria and the occupied areas. The only true Arab government left is the one of Syria. You should look up the cold war that had been going on between Khalijis and the rest of the Arab world for a while.

I never stated anything about Persians did I? Why are you implying that I think it's wrong for Iranians to be proud? Why shouldn't I be able to recognize myself as an Arab? Trust me you don't need to tell me what Shia I'm from.

My point was that every Muslim (AS IN AROUND THE WORLD) and non-Muslim Arab (ARABS WHOS RELIGION AREN'T ISLAM) should stand against Israel, not how Arabs are superior which I really don't get how you could turn my post into.

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Behind closed doors we all have things to account for. it is Allah who judges. (salam)

Behind closed doors, you don't contact people who believe your race is a waste of time, and you sre created to worship their feet.

Thats what happens when you want to split Religion from Politics. Social corruption.

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Wonderer this is obviously bothering you, and in my opinion the confusion you are feeling means "no you should not be friends with them". But being as well mannered and friendly as you are you don't want to listen to this answer being whispered by your conscience. Just stay away and forget about them....it will pass.

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The main question my friend is, why would you befriend a freaking Zionist? Contacts for what? Work? And then what? Work with them?

How bout u visit israel as well?

Ill give u time, ull start feeling yea so what ill give it a visit...

And if its u wont work, or go to israel, and wont do anything but talk..then why would u want to befriend a zionist?

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The main question my friend is, why would you befriend a freaking Zionist? Contacts for what? Work? And then what? Work with them?

How bout u visit israel as well?

Ill give u time, ull start feeling yea so what ill give it a visit...

And if its u wont work, or go to israel, and wont do anything but talk..then why would u want to befriend a zionist?

I agree with you.

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Surah Al-Ma'ida, Ayah 80:

"You see many of them fraternizing with the faithless. Surely evil is what they have sent ahead for their souls, as Allah is displeased with them and they shall remain in punishment [forever]."

It is especially bad as Zionists are at war with the Muslims, kill them, oppress them, imprison them, expel them from their homes, all because of their religion.

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Would you not befriend anyone from Saudi on the chance they are a Wahhabi? A person doesn't choose where to be born, and it shouldn't be held against them. If they are trying to befriend you, a Muslim woman, I have my doubts we're talking about some garden variety, hate on all Muslims, types here.

With all my respect, Saudi citizen is different than a Zionist citizen.

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I don't mind Jews who live in other places, I have few Jew friends who live in the US, UK and other places. It's just the fact that those Isrealis live in Tel Aviv where they kicked people out to build their new places. I keep thinking of the dead children. I don't know.. I just can't bring myself to befriend them or promote their work. :cry:

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I don't mind Jews who live in other places, I have few Jew friends who live in the US, UK and other places. It's just the fact that those Isrealis live in Tel Aviv where they kicked people out to build their new places. I keep thinking of the dead children. I don't know.. I just can't bring myself to befriend them or promote their work. :cry:

It's important to know the difference between Jews and Zionists. A Jewish Zionists is an oxymoron.

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We do fight Israel for our own reasons. Palestine, which belongs to Arabs and Muslims, is occupied. It's our duty as Arabs and as Muslims to support the Palestinian cause. Don't forget that there are many Palestinians supporting the resistance. There are many Arabs and Muslims around the world supporting the resistance. You can not just say that every Palestinian is against the resistance.

Salafis are ugly dogs, the ugliest dogs bark the loudest. That's all.

It also belongs to Christians and Jews.

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every jew is not a zionist but remember every zionist is a jew

Not really. There are millions of Christian Zionists. There are among the most supportive and aggressive American supporter of the most right-wing forms of Zionism. For the most part, they are not "Zionist puppets" at all, but they consider themselves Zionists, because they think that the Zionist state is somehow heralding the Second Coming of Christ, which will result, as they believe, in total destruction of all non-Christians, including (!) the Jews. Paradoxically, these guys in the US have a huge influence on Zionism and some high-rank Israeli government officials seem to be rather "puppets" of radical Christians.

Then, there are many other non-Jewish Zionists who support Israeli nationalism for all sorts of reasons. One prominent example is various fascist groups in Europe, who hate both Muslims and traditional Jews, but cherish the right-wing militant Zionists. Finally, there are also Muslim Zionists in various countries, including Arabic citizens of Israel. They believe that while Muslims in Israel are, indeed, being discriminated, they have more freedom under the Zionist regime than they would have under a fundamentalist Islamic government (and they have good reasons to believe so, if you compare liberal Zionist parties in Israel and Salafi policies).

On the other hand, not all Israeli Jews are Zionists, and not all Israelis who call themselves Zionists are that bad. There are people who want to replace Zionism with a democratic state for all citizens or a bi-national Jewish/Palestinian federation, but they still call themselves Zionists. There are also a few liberal and socialist groups in Israel like this one who support Palestinians very much, but refuse to reject Zionism, because this word itself became a "holy cow" for them; Not everyone in the world had consistent political view, you know.

Some early Zionists didn't support what's commonly known today as Zionism, but wished to organize a large Jewish infrastructure in Palestine which would peacefully coexist with the Palestinian Arabs. They supported Jewish immigration, but rejected colonialism, basically. Noam Chomsky, a well known Jewish anti-Zionist, represents this way of thinking. Someone who called oneself a "Zionist" 70 years ago would be in some cases considered today an outright anti-Zionist, because the Zionist politics in general drifted very much to the right during this period, especially after the Six-Day War.

I am an anti-Zionist traditional Jew and a revolutionary socialist; I study this stuff for many years. It's very complicated and gets increasingly messed up year after year, unfortunately...

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IMHO this individual should use a forum dedicated to the particular interest. Forums usually work best. And you don't have to get too personal on them since most people prefer to remain confidential or anonymous when giving advice etc.

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Who ever lives in occupied palestine isnt your/our friend. cant be your/our fellow or has deserved to be your/our businesspartner. there is so many people and opportunities to get in touch with. people from your same interests so you dont need a israeli guy to share it.

try to find palestinians thats better and i am sure when you ask them about israHell, they will always defend this illegal state!

boycott israHell means to boycott everything, even a friendship to an occupant. IsraHell doesnt exsist for us and so we dont create friendships with zionists or israelis generel. hassan nasrallah said once: north israel doesnt exsist, its olny north palestine. so even the name of this illegal construct so call israhell doesnt exsist for us, why we should except the occupants in it?

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I have been meeting a lot of people from Israel (Occupied Palestine), and they all share the same interests with me .... what would you do if you were me?

DO NOT MAKE FRIENDS WITH THEM

1. THEY ARE NOTORIOUS FOR TRYING TO RECRUIT PEOPLE OVER THE INTERNET AND GATHER INFORMATION ON THEM. THAT'S ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW.

2. IF WHAT I WROTE ABOVE DIDN'T SINK IN, ISRAEL IS AN APARTHEID COUNTRY: YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO DISTANCE YOURSELF FROM PEOPLE THAT BENEFIT FROM ONE OF THE MOST IMMORAL ACTS HUMANLY POSSIBLE.

This advice also especially holds true for women: I recently found out the Israelis were "making friends" with women from middle eastern countries, tricking them into traveling there, and then forcing them into prostitution.

Got it?

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