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My friend and I where having a discussion about religion and we talked about his religion, Hinduism, he stated that animals have a right and you shouldn't eat them. Also its wrong for you to eat them because animals are created by God and they have a right to live. That's what Islam is missing, they don't give rights to animals. I told him God created animals for us to eat and get our nutrients and so animals wont get over populated and die off from starvation.

Now, I want to bring up another rebuttal to strengthen my argument. If anyone want can help.. thanks

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Firstly, there are a variety of people who label themselves Hindus and eat meat - notably Keralites and Bengalis - people in these states are along the coastlines of India and eat a lot of fish.

Next, there is the question of whether meat-eating is sanctioned in the Hindu holy texts. Regarding this, as with many things, people tend to see what they want to see. There are verses that talk of animal sacrifice in the Vedas but then there are also Upanishadic texts that give an allegorical meaning to sacrifices. The sacrifice is meant to propitiate the Gods/ancestors say one set of folks, while the inner sacrifice is meant to develop a sense of dispassion (Vairagya) say another. Then, there is the verse in the Bhagavad Gita where Krishna specifies what types of offerings he likes and there is no mention of meat - it is fruits, flowers, plants, etc.

Now, Hindus definitely believe that animals have selves. Part of the reason why Hindus abstain from slaughter of animals for meat eating purposes may be because of the fact that the self is common between humans and animals. Yet another reason is that in Yoga/Jain texts, ahimsa (non violence) is given paramount importance.

The next question then is, do not Hindus believe plants have selves? How is it okay to kill plants but not animals then? There are two Dharmic responses to this:

(1)Yes, killing plants is indeed slaughter. This is why some Hindus/Jains abstain from eating roots. They are okay with eating the fruits/vegetables which a plant provides and plucking fruits/vegetables from plants does not amount to killing the plant. It is similarly argued that milk is not non-vegetarian because taking milk from the udders of a cow actually HELPS the cow in producing more milk and hence is beneficial to the cow.

(2)non-religious secular reason - Even if one has to kill plants, the sentience of a plant (specifically the ability to feel pain) is lot less as compared to animals. Hence, killing animals is considered ''more evil'' than killing plants.

Now, I know you were looking for Islamic arguments to rebut your Hindu friend. Perhaps others in the thread may help you with that.

I also have no interest in entering into a vegetarian vs non vegetarianism debate. Suffice it to say that there are secular reasons people can turn towards vegatarianism without aligning oneself to any religion (whether Hinduism or Islam).

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Zulfi brother, Imam a.s said that take loan but have meat in atleast every 40 days. correct me if i am wrong.

As the person said that we should not animals coz they are living creatures having the right to live, so bro

plants also have the right to live. U should not eat non vegetarian food as well. furthermore u shouldn't dress

coz it mostly comes from plants (cotton) and no one should use wooden furniture then. The herbal medicine

also comes under the same category then.

Edited by Hasan0404

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Sorry, I can't help. I'm a vegetarian. LOL. You do know that eating meat causes pretty much all non-bacteria related diseases? Including cancer (except like lung cancer from smoking). Women and men that eat meat are FAR more likely to develop cancer (breast, prostate, etc) if they eat meat.

Meat's halal, but it's not good in the modern world. Just like slavery is halal, but in the 21st century we don't need it.

Sorry, but this is all subjective balderdash. There are tons and tons of risk factors for cancer, it is practically impossible to pinpoint a key factor that causes cancer. Also, you seem to conveniently forget the meat that bears these pathogens aren't slaughtered the halal way; they are stunned and this often leaves much of the blood in the animal's body giving it a wild taste. These studies often take samples from non-muslims who are dependant on haram meat (evidently). Electric stunning is well known to accelerate the putrefaction of meat, as much lactic acid is produced as a consequence and the bacterial resistance of meat becomes significantly reduced.

Meat is good, it not only provides a natural source of protein but also iron and zinc and other necessary minerals our body needs.

Anyway, to the OP, tell him: on what authority did animals receive these rights when you consider the prevalance of carnivores in the animal kingdom? Tell him that animals do not merit similar rights to us, since they are often subjugated by humans and willfully accept submission; if he believes in creation he would easily deduce from the submissive attitude of animals that they're created for us. These subservient animals are not what save our lives or build civilizations; they are utilized to our advantage.

Edited by La'nat Ma Man

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Salam, To the op, Islam does not have the compassion for animals missing in our sources of religious knowlege and our way of life, it is actually many muslims who have a misunderstanding of Islam with regards to the treatment of animals, For example, people misunderstand the ruling on dogs and pigs being najis to mean that these animals are evil and that you shouldn't say their name, let alone show any compassion or affectionate feelings towards them. Most muslims I know are not exactly 'animal lovers' and and this is totally wrong! We should love all of Allah's(swt) creatures and give respect and care to every single one! I have seen literal disgust in the face of muslims when looking at certain animals, and many find it strange and boring to visit a zoo or farm, or to own a halal pet eg. a cat. I think this is to some extent down to the culture and the cultural misunderstandings of Islam with those muslims, and I am so pleased to have been born into an animal loving culture that has meant that I can look at Islam and see the mercy that it teaches towards all of creation. Halal farming and slaughter are all part of compassion for Allah's(swt) creation, as well as kindness towards all animals that do work for us, and taking care of the environment and not being wasteful of the resources that have been given to us. I really hope that people can break free of this disgusting almost hatred of animals, and that they can learn about the imprortant role we have been given as khalifahs on earth to take care of the bounties that have been given to us, I also hope that we can start treating other human beings as they should be treated, as this is not happening either. Salams and duas inshallah

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Just saw this thread... a long time ago I heard this explanation, and it made perfect sense to me:

Entities of this world are of four types:

1. jamadat (I think it roughly translates into 'elements')

2. nabatat (plants)

3. hayvanat (animals)

4. insan (humans)

and each level feeds the next one (or each level uses the previous for its needs). To a non-discerning audience, this might seem like murder and violence, but it's a beautiful natural process that allows the world as a whole to live and grow.

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