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Who Is Imam After Hazrat Isa And Before Rasulallah

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I read this post on a Sunni forum ridiculing us for one of our major claims in which we say that every nation will be called on the Day of the Judgement along with their Imam (as mentioned in the Quran) and in the Hadith that whoever dies without knowing their Imam dies the death of ignorance. The Sunni post questioned - who was the Imam between Hazrat Isa AS and Rasool Allah SAWW. Is there an article or lecture that sheds some light on this?

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perhaps the thing is related to the leader of the time.

we have our imam but we cannot see him or contact him directly, and he will come to us when Allah(swt) wills. similarly the people of hazrat Isa(As) consider him as their savior and will be accountable to him for their faith according to his(as) teachings.

so the imam between hazrat Isa(as) and Mohammad(saww) wd be hazrat isa(as) himself.

ws.

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(salam)

I read this post on a Sunni forum ridiculing us for one of our major claims in which we say that every nation will be called on the Day of the Judgement along with their Imam (as mentioned in the Quran) and in the Hadith that whoever dies without knowing their Imam dies the death of ignorance. The Sunni post questioned - who was the Imam between Hazrat Isa AS and Rasool Allah SAWW. Is there an article or lecture that sheds some light on this?

The imam or the prophet ? I'm a bit confused here.

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The question should be that since the world is never empty of Allah's hujjah, who was the Hujjah before prophet Mohammad (pbuh) time.

The answer is Hazrat Abdul Mutalib was alo God's Hujjah in this world, so was Abd e Manaf.. his fater and so on till you get to the time of Prophet Esa.

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if something doesnt make sense, we shias should not twist things our way. The whole theory about 24/ 7 imamah is silly.

The earth existed for billions of years without humans, its sure not going come crashing down just because Alkafi says so.

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Imam - the rank of Imam is higher than Messenger. Some Prophets including the Last Messenger are Imams.

Fink - It's in the Quran isn't it? Verse 17:71 and Hadith

"Whosoever dies without recognizing the Imam of his time dies the death of the ignorance (Jahiliyyah)."

Ahmad b. Hanbal, al-Musnad, p. 96.

Well, the world didn't come crashing down when Imam Ali was denied and rejected by the majority of the people. Mister Abu Bakar was made the first caliph by the will of the people. Allah's chosen leadership thereafter remained away from the limelight and were not given a chance to govern. Our insistence is only this: They were the true governors and had the right given to by Allah to govern.

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(salam)

I read this post on a Sunni forum ridiculing us for one of our major claims in which we say that every nation will be called on the Day of the Judgement along with their Imam (as mentioned in the Quran) and in the Hadith that whoever dies without knowing their Imam dies the death of ignorance. The Sunni post questioned - who was the Imam between Hazrat Isa AS and Rasool Allah SAWW. Is there an article or lecture that sheds some light on this?

There are a basket of opinions regarding the succession of `Isa. The majority view takes the hadiths that indicate that Sham`un as-Safa (ra) was the Imam after `Isa (as). I may debate the authenticity of such narrations, but they absolutely do exist in large number and are a high possibility. In Christianity, the same person (aka Simon Peter) is seen as the one who Jesus established his "church" upon. He is the first Pope in Catholicism and therefore he is deemed to be an infallible saint guided by the Holy Spirit.

There are other theories too - that Jesus' apostles (hawariyyun) all succeeded him together, or that James the Just (ra) succeeded him (an argument that I was a proponent of, but is more based on history and not Islamic hadith sources).

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if something doesnt make sense, we shias should not twist things our way. The whole theory about 24/ 7 imamah is silly.

The earth existed for billions of years without humans, its sure not going come crashing down just because Alkafi says so.

Please do not exhibit your lack of knowledge in this proud manner. Was Earth the first creation of God? No so who was created before creation of earth? Was it an Imam? Once you can answer these questions then come back and we can discuss what you called "24/7 Imamah".

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Imam Ali (as) says:

My name in the Bible is 'ILIYA', and in the Torah is 'BARI', and in the Zaboor is 'ERI'. Indians know my name as 'KAABER', Romans know me as 'BIT'RISA', Persians know me as 'JOBEIR', Turks know me as 'TABIR', blacks know me as 'HEYTAR', Priests know me as 'BUSI', Abyssinians know me as 'BITRIK', My Mother knows me as 'HEYDARA', My nurse knows me as 'MAYMOUN'. Arabs know me as 'ALI', Armenians know me as 'FAREEQ', and my father knows me as 'ZAHEER'.

[source: Maani Al Akhbar Pg. 59]

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Salams

This is a long list and I don't know of a quick way to get it on net but the hadith says:

Imam Sadiq a.s. said that the Prohet Mohammad said:

"I am the master of the Prophets, my successor is the master of the successors - and his sucessors are the masters of the successors.

Adam asked Allah to choose a righeous successor for him so Allah revealed to him:

"I honored the propehts with prophethood and I chose the best of my creation as their successors. O Adam! Assign yoiur son Sheith to be your successor".

'Sheith was Allah's gift to Adam.

Allah sent a Houri to Adam and he married Sheith to her. She gave birth to Shenan who was th succcessor of Sheith......

the list goes on at length and then as part of the hadith it says:

'Isa a.s. appointed Shamounon bin Haffouon al Safa as his successor.

Shamounon bin Haffoun al Safa appointed Yahya bin Zakariya as his successor

and so on until the last one in the tradition before Ali is:

Barda appointed me as his successor.

And I appoint You, O Ali a.s. as my Successor'.....

Sorry for the sloppy job on this but internet time is about up.

see the hadith at (The Glad Tidings of Mustafa... ~Tabari, pg 123, #7

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Aoudhu Billahi Minash Shaytaan Nir Rajiim Bismillah Hir Rahman Nir Rahiim

Nahmadahu Nusalli Ala Rasooli Hil Kariim

Alhamdulillah, we did hear Isa (Alaihis Salam) roaming the skies and currently we believe he is in the west over America's.

Like in a plane or something? Please tell us more!

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