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Azerbaijan Republic-opressed Muslim Shia Majority

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Asalam Aleikum!

Very few Muslims, Shia and Sunni know what is happening in the Muslim majority country of Azerbaijan to Muslims since it gained its independence from USSR in 1991. Very few Shia Muslims know that Azerbaijan is the second largest Shia country in percentage terms after Iran, up to 87% of people are Shia Muslims.

Great Ulema of the school of Ahlul Bayt (as) like Sayed Ali Khamenei, Ayatollah Jafar Subhani, Ayatollah Khoi and Shahid Mustafa Chamran are ethnic Azeris. There are up to 15 million ethnic Azeris living in Iran mainly in the Azerbaijan province of Iran, the capital of the province is Tabriz.

Today Azerbaijan Republic is ruled by a despotic regime led by Ilham Aliyev who inherited his power from his father the former KGB General Geidar Aliyev. One year ago Aliyev's regime banned hijab in public schools and dozens of Islamic scholars are imprisoned today for defending hijab along with over a hundred Islamic activists.

Here are some very informative analysis I recommend all Muslims to read to know what is the situation like in Azerbaijan. I found very good analysis from the Islamic newsmagazine called Crescent International that is well known in Muslim activist circles which is led by our Sunnni brothers.

“Great game” on the Azerbaijan chessboard

http://www.crescent-online.net/2009/11/great-game-on-the-azerbaijan-chessboard-maksud-djavadov-2363-articles.html

Islamic stirrings in Tajikistan and Azerbaijan

http://www.crescent-online.net/2010/10/islamic-stirrings-in-tajikistan-and-azerbaijan-maksud-djavadov-2751-articles.html

Islamic Iran in the Azeri-Karabakh-Armenia triangle

http://www.crescent-online.net/2010/11/islamic-iran-in-the-azeri-karabakh-armenia-triangle-maksud-djavadov-2804-articles.html

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Thanks for the magazine link!

Salam Aleikum!

You are welcome.

All of us should spread the word about the current situation in Azerbaijan amongst Muslims. We must think ahead and not react to events, most Muslims were very ignorant about the situation in Bahrain until the revolution started, we must not react to crisis, we must think ahead, if people were as informed about the situation in Bahrain as they are now many things could have been avoided and greater success achieved. So do not wait for the crisis in Azerbaijan to erupt, start creating the public awareness TODAY! Azerbaijan is the next Bahrain InshAllah.

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Very recent reports by Crescent International.

Confronting the brutal tactics of the Azeri regime

by Maksud Djavadov

August, 2012

The US-backed Aliyev regime uses gimmicks and tame opposition to stay in power.

Since 1995 when Heydar Aliyev and his family consolidated their stranglehold on power in Azerbaijan, assisted by the US and Israel, the regime has created an artificial political process, that to the uninformed may appear like a lively socio-political environment. The reality is that all processes in Azerbaijan, whether political, social or economic, are nothing more than gimmicks managed by using despotic means. After conducting extensive research using primary and secondary sources, Crescent International can offer the following analysis outlining tools used by the Aliyev regime to maintain its illegitimate grip on power and sustain the artificial socio-political facade.

Full Report:

http://www.crescent-online.net/2012/08/confronting-the-brutal-tactics-of-the-azeri-regime-maksud-djavadov-3179-articles.html

Western HR organizations and Azerbaijan

by Maksud Djavadov

August, 2012

Despite making noises about human rights and adhering to the rule of law, when it comes to their personal interests, most Western officials discard these concepts quickly.

Full Report: - http://www.crescent-online.net/2012/08/western-hr-organizations-and-azerbaijan-maksud-djavadov-3182-articles.html

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Were Azeri Muslims better off under the Soviet Union ( Azeri SSR ) ? just asking....

And btw did the Shia ulema of Azerbaijan support the War against Armenia ?

But the last time I saw, Azerbaijan was the second-most non-religious country in the World, 74 % of Azerbaijani citzens do not identify with any religion.

So majority of the people probably do not support the Mullahs.

It is the same situation in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, were most of the people have very weak identification with Islam and hardly even know how to pray.

But I agree that a mass pro-Islamic uprising is possible in Tajikistan, but I do not think Putin will allow it, infact 15,000 Russian troops are already stationed in Tajikistan.

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InshAllah , The Azeri’s will forget the Turkic ideology and pan Turkism and follow in the footsteps of its neighbor Iran and Sharia , hopefully then us Armenian Christians and Azeri’s will once again co-exist.

Until then they will be a threat to the region.

I pray for them to follow the righteous path.

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InshAllah , The Azeri’s will forget the Turkic ideology and pan Turkism and follow in the footsteps of its neighbor Iran and Sharia , hopefully then us Armenian Christians and Azeri’s will once again co-exist.

Until then they will be a threat to the region.

I pray for them to follow the righteous path.

N

Salam!

I assume that you do realize that once they return to Islam in totality as a society the first thing on the mind of every Azeri is liberating Karabakh occupied by Armenian dashnaks (fascists). I hope you are one of the rare Armenians( I doubt it thought) that realizes that Karabakh is not Armenia, never was and will not be and that you support the unilateral return of 1 milion Azeri Muslims back home to their land. What South Lebanon was to Muslims there, Karabakh is South Lenbanon for Azeris and other Muslims that know the situation there.

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It is the same situation in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, were most of the people have very weak identification with Islam and hardly even know how to pray.

Other countries you mention I cannot comment on, but having spent a little time in Kazakhstan and met various Kazakhs of different ethnic groups I can say the following:

1. Ethnic Kazakhs were systemically wiped out by the Russians, in the last century. They were a nomadic people who lived off the horses. The Russians killed the horses.

2. European Russians and Germans etc. and other ethnic groups were imported in order to replace them

3. One of the reasons I was given for the move of the capital from Almaty to Astana was in order for the ethnic Kazakhs to keep control of the country when the USSR broke up.

After the collapse of the USSR the American evangelists have moved in. Something the Russian government has not been to happy about either.

So when it comes to the old Soviet socialist republics it is difficult to lay claim to knowing what peoples' true beliefs are.

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^Haji, this Higgins guy is saying everything out of hatred for Shias... if any country who recovered and went back towards religion from all these central Asian countries under USSR rule, has been Azerbaijan... with all difficulties they are facing from the government.. Azerbaijan never became that atheist to the limits of the other Sunni countries in the region became. But, that is also true that majority of Azerbaijan might not welcome a revolt by Mullahs, that is just a different issue.. there is a huge difference between a total religious who demand Islamic government and those who believe in religion but reject Islamisms to take over the government...

And it is also nonsense to say 74% do not identify themselves with any religion.. I have seen even those Azeris who cannot pray properly or don't know much about Islam, but when asked what religion they follow, they reply 'Islam; Shia Jafari alhamdolillah'

If you ask this guy on Iraq, he would say that majority of Iraqi Shias love Baathism over Shia Islam. He has his own data and research or uses the sources from his Zionist mastesrs or his Salafi friends.

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Azerbaijan= issues with hijabs (prayers are not an issue, people tend to learn it from parents, but it seems like the Aliyevs fear hijab)

Kazakhstan= Issues with language and religion (Kazakhs in Almaty are slowly starting to learn their mother tongue, govt. there also seems to fear Islam)

Kyrgyzstan= This country is worse than Kazakhstan (obvious reasons, they're much more poorer and much more dependent on the Russians). At least some Kazakhs from the cities can speak Kazakh fluently. The guys in the few cities here either don't know their Turkic tongue or strictly and solely speak Russian. Islam I think in the cities here is pretty weak.

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Salam Hoper

The problem with Turks is that they think everything belongs to them , they can claim parts of Mongolia if they want but not my ancestral lands .

the only claims Azerbaijan has on Armenian lands is that they belonged to Albanians , if Azerbaijan spent most of its Zionist money to actually to some historical research they will not bark so loud.

I actualy think Azeri turks are not sure of their own history and where they belong in this world.

The below from a professor from university of Iran

MAHMUD JONEIDI-JA‘FARI

University of Tehran

Kat‘oghikos Esayi Hasan Jalaleants

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^Who cares what Turks believe they are? When we discuss Azerbaijan we don't discuss because of their Azeriness or Turkishness... we care for the oppression of religion and the oppression of people. Those who believe Turks are superior, or Persians are better or the Arabs are greater or Greeks are super, these are the talks of 'jahilya' times as we term it in Islam. Any government who runs this business is committing a sin in accordance to Islamic principles.

The war between Azerbaijan and Armenia has been the work of powers who always keep the weak countries divided and against each other... Armenia is an occupier who just like Azerbaijan plays in the hands of external enemies...

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Salam Noha

your point taken . but i must disagree.

so your saying the oppression of the Armenian people because of their religion during the control of Azerbaijan was justified ? Armenia went to war with Azerbaijan because of the persecution of its people not only were we persecuted during and after the fall of USSR but also early during the 1900's .

And i must also mention the War that Armenia fought was not because of religion but because of persecution.

So as a Shia you should understand those who are persecuted, just like the MASONIC young Turks who used the name of Islam to commit Genocide against the Armenian people so did the Azeri’s .

So please look at it from the perspective rather than a religious thing. ask most Arabs and Persians about Armenian Christians you will know the love we have for Islam as a Christian nation and as do they for the Armenian people.

the common denominator here is " PAN TURKISM ": and the use of ISLAM to to meet their objectives.

Don’t forget the thousands of Muslim Arabs persecuted by Ottoman Turks because they were not Turks . Armenians faced the same persecution.

no hard feeling Noah and I’m not upset , i just want to make it clear that it is not religion that is the problem but the nationalistic ideology that is.

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Salam Noha

your point taken . but i must disagree.

Wasalam,

No you did not take the points, you totally mistranslated my words in your own ways.. and totally brought the things that I am not aware of it.

so your saying the oppression of the Armenian people because of their religion during the control of Azerbaijan was justified ?

Where did I say that? How did you come to this conclusion?

Armenia went to war with Azerbaijan because of the persecution of its people not only were we persecuted during and after the fall of USSR but also early during the 1900's .

And i must also mention the War that Armenia fought was not because of religion but because of persecution.

Yea Shias and Sunnis also kill each others in Iraq, Syria and elsewhere... if you understood the point, that is what I meant.. the external powers use these weaknesses, inflame sectarian, tribal, border tensions and then create wars, divde and RULE. Who was right or who was wrong that is a different topic. One thing is clear as I said that, Armenia and Azerbaijan both played in the hands of their masters, and plus Armenia went one step ahead by occupying others lands for the sake of these differences and that even made things complicated for decades to come.

So as a Shia you should understand those who are persecuted, just like the MASONIC young Turks who used the name of Islam to commit Genocide against the Armenian people so did the Azeri’s .

So please look at it from the perspective rather than a religious thing. ask most Arabs and Persians about Armenian Christians you will know the love we have for Islam as a Christian nation and as do they for the Armenian people.

the common denominator here is " PAN TURKISM ": and the use of ISLAM to to meet their objectives.

Don’t forget the thousands of Muslim Arabs persecuted by Ottoman Turks because they were not Turks . Armenians faced the same persecution.

no hard feeling Noah and I’m not upset , i just want to make it clear that it is not religion that is the problem but the nationalistic ideology that is.

I have nothing to do with Turkish young whatever as I clearly stated my position regarding these race issues..

When I said the oppression of religion and people, I did not say the oppression of SHIAS vs others... Did I? The oppression of religion be it by Shias, by secular atheist government of Azerbaijan, by Armenia or by Iran is an oppression... at the moment here when we discussed 'Azerbaijan' and its people, so Azerbaijan's majority Shias are oppressed and face many restrictions and that is the fact, that was my point.

I have been always against oppression of Jews or Christians or Hindus in any Muslim countries... Pakistan is one example, where the Christian community is treated very badly.. former communist governments across the regions were another example of oppression where they destroyed hundreds of thousands of Churches, mosques and killed millions to confront religion... I am talking in gerenal.. in my religion that is not allowed even if we have a total power on a region or on a country.

You really went everywhere with your own guessing... God knows how you read my previous post, but read carefully before accusing or analyzing someone.

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Salam Aleikum!

This "pro-Shia" Armenian guy is distorting everything, Azeris had no power to oppress anyone in USSR as they were oppressed like all others by Russians.

The articles I posted above from Crescent International are a must read for all Muslims to know what is happening in Azerbaijan.

Karabakh is not a Turk-Armenian issue, its an oppressor vs the oppressed, Azeris never kicked Armenians out of their land, they kicked Azeris out. Anyway, the best line of defense of the Dashnak regime is the Aliyev family (Geidar Aliyev's mom was Armenian) and once the Aliyevs are gone Azeri's will get back to karabakh, but this time under the Islamic banners.

Muslim Azeris do not care about Armenian-turk polemic, go use this polemic with Attaturk Turks.

By the way, about a year ago Ayatollah Khamenei said that those who were killed by Armenians in Karabakh are Shahid.

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I’m not distorting anything , i think this hatred between Azeri’s and Armenians have gone on for to long ,again i wish both can come together and resolve their differences , even if it means giving our lands back to Azerbaijan , which is not up to me , but hopefully both countries can come to a conclusion before these Zionist powers who have a hold in your country start another war and make things a lot more difficult .

Grand Ayatollah Sayyed Ali Hosseini Khomeini he is correct in saying those Azeri’s who fought against our Armenians soldiers are Shahid , and i pray for them and their families for their pain and suffering they had to endure..

If you are Azeri and i guess you are, if you have hatred towards me it is fine i do not and i hope inshallah we will once more come together with all our religions side by side and defend the righteous and oppressed and will forgive each other.

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Why did Tashnaks/ Dashnags ( Armenian fascists) support Israel in Lebanon ?

Salam Prf Higgins

I’m not Armenian from Lebanon nor a dashnak so i can’t answer this , but my understanding is that Armenians did not take sides in any war in Lebanon , from the civil war in the 80's or recently .

i do know Armenian dashnaks trained with Hezbollah fighters in the south in the early 80's . that’s all i know .

Israel has no interest in the survival of my country and vice versa, they support Azerbaijan and train Azeri soldiers for a looming war with Armenia so i do not see any reason for Armenia supporting Israel .

And if we did then tell me how the our relations with Iran is the strongest in the region ?

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"i do know Armenian dashnaks trained with Hezbollah fighters in the south in the early 80's . that’s all i know"

This is a skillful myth to further create divisions amongst Muslims by creating hatred between Lebanese Shia Muslims and Azeri Shia Muslims.

Watch the full interview with Dr.Mousawi he addressees this issue of Hezbullah involvement with Armenians

No one is training Azeri soldiers to fight Armenians, the Presidential Guard is trained to defend the Aliyev regime, the best line of defense for Armenians and Israelis.

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Hoper

Thanks you for the video this guys is well spoken and knowledgeable

but i must say i watched 4 videos to tell me Hezbollah didn’t help the Armenians during the war ? I know they didn’t help us and i never said they did and we would not have expected them to assist unlike Azerbaijan that has the Zionist regime helping them.

if you look at my last post you will see i said they trained in the 80s' with Hezbollah in Lebanon . this was not for war against Azerbaijan , this was mutual bond between the Shia Hezbollah group and our Fedayeen .

Listen actually don’t reply back , because all you Turks do it try to distort things , if you want to fix things go and preach to the Azeri’s to stop any dealings with the west stop selling oil to the west , stop your MASONIC ZIONIST friendship with Israel and bring back SHARIA . once you have done this come back and chat to me.

Peace be with you

N

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Identification by the terrorist organization “Hezbollah” of Stefan Nicolian, the pilot of the “Cessna” airplane, who violated Israeli air space and was shot down by the Israeli Air Forces.[15] It should be mentioned that as far back as in 1987 the Israeli Intelligence Service “Mossad” advised the Turkish Secret Police to carefully follow the developments in connection with the establishment of a close cooperation between ASALA and “Hezbollah”;[16]

At the Second International Conference of solidarity with the Armenian people, which was held on April 20, 1986in Greece Bassam abu-Salim on behalf of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, headed by Georges Habash, made a public statement: “Doors of our camps are always open to the Armenian freedom fighters”;[11]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Secret_Army_for_the_Liberation_of_Armenia

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Salams,

Hard core "pro-shia" Armenian guy, just because I present the case of the occupied Karbakh by Armenian fascists you automaticaly assume that I am a Turk and Azeri. Your nationalism has totaly blinded you.

Azeris and Armenians can and will live in peace InshAllah like they did for many years before dashnaks and Russia started the conflict, but after Karabakh is liberated from Armenian occupation.

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I hope Armenians, Romanians, Albanians, Bulgarians, and these similar groups with similar beliefs, superstitions, and mentalities, can really put an end to the hate. It is really childish and annoying. They are drunk with nationalism and Christian fanaticism that parallels that backwardness of the Taliban.

Look what hatred has brought them. Nothing but poverty and misery.

The situation in the Caucasus isn't good right now. The leaders of Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Georgia, are all very bad. All 3 of them to an extent have relations with Israel.

Armenia and Georgia probably won't change much because they're Christian countries. They'll continue their strong relations with the West for better or for worse.

About this Pan-Turk, Pan-Aryan, Pan w/e krap typically are small and very exaggerated. They are minorities in whatever countries they are in. Pan-Arabs could be a threat given they get lunatics from Yemen, Egypt, Libya etc. to blow themselves up on Shiites. They're more religious terrorists though.

Well, back on topic, I think Azerbaijan will have to change in the future. They are an oil rich country and the oil money is not going into the pockets of the poor.

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Salem All .

So i guess That’s it then throw away the 700 year old history Armenians have had with their Muslim neighbours " Armenia is the bad one yet again " no mention of the century old oppression by the turkik Azeri and ottoman governments .

and about pantrkism don’t kid yourself Shiaben watch the most rallies is turkey and Azerbaijan and you will see the symbol of the " GRAY WOLF " this stretches from west to east from Turkey all the way to Pakistan if you are not a Turk you are a second hand citizen Arabs and like should know this as do the Armenians.

Pro Shia HOPER guy , I’m not nationalist Armenian I’m just a Armenian that will fend his country and his nation once again if these Turks try to even sneeze on my country GOD WILLING .

N

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Pro Shia HOPER guy , I’m not nationalist Armenian I’m just a Armenian that will fend his country and his nation once again if these Turks try to even sneeze on my country GOD WILLING .

N

Salams,

Hard core Armenian "pro-Shia" guy dont steal my phrases like you guys stole Karabakh, get your own :-)

Anyway, for you they are Turks, for Muslims they are Muslims. The next phase of events in Karabakh that will come after the Aliyevs, the best line of defense of Armenians are gone will be very different. It will not be like in 1990s when Samvel Babayan could order Geidar Aliyev to sabotage the Azeri people in Nahchivan or Monte Melkoyan cutting deals with the Aliyevs in bringing Lebanese Armenians to fight for them in Shusha, things will be very different. And InshAllah if by that time Sayed Ali Khamenei who is Azeri himself stays as Velayate Faqih, the situation of the Dashnak regime will be bad.

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Who cares what Turks believe they are?

I care - when Israel and Turkey fund these classes for brainwashing youth, creating a fabricated identity, and then becoming a proxy for Israel and NATO.

Also read up on Attaturk's Jewish background please. http://turkishwrestling.wordpress.com/

Salams Hard core Armenian "pro-Shia" guy dont steal my phrases like you guys stole Karabakh, get your own :-) Anyway, for you they are Turks, for Muslims they are Muslims.

Salam, You are misunderstanding our Armenian friend: Please look at the facts before you jump to conclusions. There's more there that you need to look into. Thanks.

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Bless you Rasul

I would love to get to know Azeris again , why should we fight to please the masters in the west? we have one master and he is all mighty and he will judge us as we judge othes. i say peace and harmony INSHALLAH.

N

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why should we fight to

N

Salams,

If Armenians do not want to fight why not allow 1 million Azeris return back to their native home in Karabakh and accept a broad autonomus system within the Azeri Muslim state? I have no problems with Armenians, some of the most innovative and nice people in the world, I have a problem with the occupation and the opression of Azeri Muslims. End opression and Azerbaijan and Armenia wil be allies and Caucasian brothers.

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Again your are looking at this from a religious point of view. And unfortunately that is looking at this problem one sided. i could also use the oppression of the Christian minorities by the Azeri regime but i do not, because it is not a religious problems rather than a ideological problem .

And yet again we only concentrate on the Azeri side what about the Armenian refuges? but i do not talk about this .

Once Azeri’s denounce pan Turkism and the sick mentality they have and follow the path of righteousness like their neighbour Iran where harmony amongst nations and religions are accepted then once again Azeri’s and Armenians will once more live in peace.

Armenians are one of the oldest inhabitants of the cuscuses we do not need to prove to anyone our right to exists actually it should be others in the caucuses showing respect to Armenia.

i would ask you to speak to more shia Iranians who are familiar with this issue and understand the in-depth problem rather than making Armenians look like anti Muslims, if you want o blame Armenians i would first start with the Saudis and other Arabs who promote the killing of Shiites rather than offending us Armenians who for centuries have embraced and lived with our Muslim brothers in harmony. Once again i would highly suggest you do your homework before you offend me and my people.

Inshallah you will be guided.

N

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... accept a broad autonomus system within the Azeri Muslim state? ... I have a problem with the occupation and the opression of Azeri Muslims.

The Republic of Azerbaijan (Israel-baijan) is NOT 'a Muslim state.' In fact it's a very Jewish state.

The Republic of Israel-baijan's government is causing war and conflict between Armenians and the people and represses Muslims. (Look at some of my earlier posts.)

Want a solution? Work towards eliminating the government of theRepublic of Israel-baijan and its zionist stooges; then the people have to establish trust and cooperation (which is difficult after the war and brainwashing); Iran can mediate a reconciliation of people.

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