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Refutation On The Birth Of Imam Mahdi

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Aslamalaykum,

@Brother Qa'im

InshAllah u and your family are well.......

Abu't Tufayl was a companion of the Prophet (pbuh) and a close companion of `Ali (as), and yet we know from Sunni rijal books that he believed in rafdh (rejection of the Caliphs), raj`a (return Ahl al-Bayt), ghayba (occultation)

Can you please provide proof for this?

For example, the Prophet (pbuh) said there will always a Caliph from Quraysh, even if only two people are on Earth. Who is the Qurayshi Caliph today if he is not in ghayba?

Sunnis argue that the Holy Prophet s.a.w.w gave the expression, how important it is that the caliphate remains with Quraysh even if there are two people on earth but we know from history they were many caliphs/leaders who were not from Quraysh?

Brother if you can shed more light on this topic.

JazakAllah

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Can you please provide proof for this?

Please read this: http://oceansoflight.wordpress.com/2011/08/14/abu-tufayl-and-ahl-al-bayt/

Sunnis argue that the Holy Prophet s.a.w.w gave the expression, how important it is that the caliphate remains with Quraysh even if there are two people on earth but we know from history they were many caliphs/leaders who were not from Quraysh?

Because the real Caliphs are actually the Imams, the word Caliph in Arabic is khalifa and it means successor and representative. A Caliph is therefore a successor and representative of the Prophet (pbuh). The fact that the Sunnis can identify over 50 Caliphs in history means they are not understanding the meaning of "Caliph" correctly, because the Prophet said there would only be 12.

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We're Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Muawiya, Yazid & Abdul Ibn Aziz all from Quraysh? If not, which one of them?

If they were not from Quraysh, the whole Sunni Cocept of 'rightly guided caliphs' falls apart but if they were all from Quraysh, who is the current Caliph of Quraysh that has been foretold in their own books?

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We're Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Muawiya, Yazid & Abdul Ibn Aziz all from Quraysh? If not, which one of them?

If they were not from Quraysh, the whole Sunni Cocept of 'rightly guided caliphs' falls apart but if they were all from Quraysh, who is the current Caliph of Quraysh that has been foretold in their own books?

I don't know what you're talking about, the rightly guided caliphs are Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman & Ali. Some sunni scholars include Hassan as 5th.

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I don't know what you're talking about, the rightly guided caliphs are Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman & Ali. Some sunni scholars include Hassan as 5th.

No, they are clearly not 'rightly guided' if they don't even pass the first qualification of being from Quraysh. So I am asking if they were even from Quraysh to begin with? If they are not from Quraysh, they are not the rightly guided caliphs our Prophet said would come after him.

Secondly, how do you consider Ali Ibn Abi Talib (as) 'rightly guided'? How is this even possible when he faced something like 4 civil wars when he was Khalifah, companions faught against him and so did the wife of the Prophet (pbuh) how on earth could he have been considered 'rightly guided'? Obviously, the companions didn't think so, nor Aisha for that matter. The term 'rightly guided' was a notion conjured up by later scholars when they were faced with the issues and problems that the later Islamic governments had, starting with Muawiya.

I do however, find it quite interesting that Sunni's dislike the Shia speaking ill about Muawiyah, yet you guys don't even found him as one of the 'rightly guided calips'? Why is that?

I'll ask you again, we're Abu Bakr, Umar, Usman all from Quraysh? If yes, my next question is... who is the current Caliph from the Quraysh that is living amongst us? Did the Prophet not say there will be 12 caliphs after up until the day of judgement? All of them being from Quraysh?

So who is the current Caliph from Quraysh?

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