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Salam to all, I will inshallah be visiting Iraq this october/november and I have a few questions for those that have visited there, lived there, or have family there. I will be going for ziyarah and visiting najaf, karabala, samarra and kadhimain, I will also possibly be visiting family in Khalis(near Baquba) in diyala province. I will be expecting to wear an overhead abaya aomething like this-

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What I would like to know is, would I need to always wear a black headscarf under this abaya or could I wear headscarves in other colours? If so, what colours are commonly seen acceptable to wear in Iraq? Would muted colours such as brown, grey, white, dark blue, dark green, dark red, beige etc be something that is common headscarf colours worn by women in Iraq under the overhead abaya? Or would it be unusual and better to stick to black headscarves under the overhead abaya?

I would like to add that I am a white english revert and I am married to a British Iraqi arab, I will be visiting with him, and my parents in law, and would like to blend in as much as possible whilst there inshallah, and I don't want to offend anyone or attract attention to myself any more then I necessarily might do being a western foreigner. Also, I have heard that exposing the hands in Najaf in particular may atttract attention and that they should remain covered under the abaya at all times, unless absolutely necessary, would it be ok to wear black gloves like the picture, or would that be odd to the locals? Are the shella type of headscaves normal in Iraq? because I heard that most women wear the triangle type headscarf, so would it stand out to wear the shella type scarf under the overhead abaya?

Also, what will the weather/temperature be like in October/November in Iraq? Najaf? Karbala? Khalis(near baquba) in diyala? Will it be cold winter weather? or cool autumn? or is it still warm? I would like to know whether I would need to bring clothing in cooler fabrics, or thicker warmer clothing, or doesn't it matter due to the layers that you wear?

I have heard that local women wear normal at home dishdashas under the overhead abaya rather then a black jilbaab type abaya under it, what is the norm? and would it be ok for me to wear either loose trousers and a mantoo/long top under the overhead abaya, or a long skirt and top under the overhead abaya? Would it be ok to wear jeans or a denim long skirt under the overhead abaya? or could I wear a jilbaab abaya under the overhead abaya?

What kind of shoes do you suggest? would some plain black ballerina flats be good enough? or would ballerina flats of another colour such as white or beige be ok-or would that stand out under the black abaya...

I know this all sounds extra and detailed, but as they say, the devil is in the detail, and as I will be visiting family and I am not going with a tourist/ziyarah group wear you are with all foreigners and as long as you stick to the general modesty rules of Islam and at least loosely fit in with the usual level of modest in Iraqi custom, then there would be no problem, but I feel that I will need to fit in a lot more then that inshallah so I would like to try and adhere to as many details as possible.

Salams and dua to all and thanks for any help and infor in advance x

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(salam)

Sister Marayam, before I go any further , I'd like to tell you, your flight will have a lot of waypoints (TURNS) usually every 30min (How I know ... I was hired by Turkish Airlines and have flown the route from Dubai-Baghdad) earlier last year in March.The Abiyah is completely correct , choice of colours are spot on, you simply cannot wonder off into pink , red , purple. I'd say stick to black and white, ESPECIALLY AT THE SHRINES. Other than that you'll be fine I hope Allah (S.W.T) rewards you and I hope you enjoy your journey.

(wasalam)

Sam

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(bismillah)

(wasalam)

About the weather forecast, you can check it right before you leave.

Go to the weather site called wunderground.com and type Iraq in the box that says Enter a Location, then hit the Search button.

Find the city you want and click on it. You will only see one week forecast, but if you do this right before you leave it should help.

For US cities you can scroll down to the History & Almanac section and look at the weather for last year to get an idea about the weather this year.

After you look for the information for one city, like Najaf, it will be difficult to go back and click on Karbala because the ads don't want you to leave the page.

Just close the program and start over for the different cities, or go up top and backspace until it says wunderground.com and hit the enter key to start over.

May Allah bless you and accept your ziyarat. Please remember us in your du'aas.

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(salam) sister, 

About the headscarves; you can wear different colors. There is no problem with that but I suppose out of respect to the shrines of the Imams (as) you could wear blacker white when you visit (don't wear white... White gets so dirty and they don't have the best laundry detergent over there :s)

As long as you dont wear any neon colors lol you'll be fine in the areas you mentioned. The women usually wear colored hijabs under the abayas. My aunts, in baghdaf,all wear jilbabs. Baghdad is a bit westernized, probably because they have sole Christians, so you could wear your normal hijab there. Btw by Baghdad I mean kadhimiyah and such. The outskirts of Baghdad and anywhere else, I'd wear my full abaya. 

The best thing to do so as to not attract attention is to not speak. Lol Arabs are very keen on the way you speak, they always wanna guess where you're from in Iraq and if you speak Arabic but not very well, they'll pick up on that fact that you aren't Iraqi. I'm Iraqi and I speak Iraqi and I had some people tell me that I wasnt from "around here". 

Oh my! Don't wear a jilbab under the abaya, it'll feel like an oven in there! 

Especially since you're going in the middle of summer! 

If you feel confident with your abaya, meaning you're sure it won't fly off somewhere, wear comfortable pants and a t-shirt. 

If not, wear an abaya. I suggest wearing pants because if the wind blew the abaya your dishdasha or skirt won't fly away too and reveal your legs. 

I wore pants and a t-shirt the entire time I was there and I was very comfortable and I found it easier to control my abaya that way. 

Shoes! Okay, remember in Iraq, not all the roads are paved and sometimes you'll have to walk for 10-15 minutes, maybe longer if you're in bazaar type market. So stick with flats that will protect your feet. 

The color doesn't matter, again as long as it isn't neon, no one usually pays attention. White, I learned the hard way, isn't a good color to wear. 

Umm what else should I tell you... 

Oh! The most amazing thing in Iraq is when you visit the shrines and it's very hot right? You're extremely thirsty and you go get some water from those huge orange water coolers in the "sahhan" of the shrine. 

Absolutely the most amazing water you'll have ever tasted. Enjoy it. 

Guys, there are some nasty guys in Iraq. Make sure you're around a man so that you won't have to deal with them and in case there isn't, the best way to deal with them is to ignore them. 

If I think of anything else, I'll post it and if you have any other questions, please do ask. 

insha'Allah you have a safe trip to Iraq and have fun! You'll miss it when you leave, I promise you that. 

(wasalam)

OH ALSO! See if you can have an elastic band sewn into the head of your abaya! It is a life saver! So the purpose of it is to keep the Abaya in place by you pulling this elastic on the back of your head (usually under where your hairbun would be, which is the best way to wear your hair with an abaya like that). It's hard to explain but I'm sure if you explain it to your mother in law, she'll know exactly what you're talking about.

Seriously, I'm young and I wouldve killed myself somehow with my abaya had it not ben for that piece of elastic. Lol

So this is especially helpful to those who are new to the overhead abaya.

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sorry for asking this dumb question--but what's the difference between abaya and jilbab ?

Jilbab can also be used as a word for abaya, but I used it to diffrenciate between an overhead abaya, and the long 'dress' type abaya with sleeves that doesn't go over your head and isn't really acceptable to wear on it's own in Iraq, unless you want to stand out as a foreigner... its called the abaya of shaytan in Iraq... not that I agree with that but wouldn't want to offend anyone there or insist on looking different. salams inshallah

make sure to count how many time you will trip in that abayah ,plus it is usually too long , the earth is dusty , the sky is humid and the sun is in its glory days

that abaya wont last more than 3 hours in that enviroment before turning you into a rotten onion

Not sure whether to laugh at your sarcasm or be offended... yeh I probs will trip and get dusty, but what is the alternative? should I wear my usual hijab of long tops, trousers, and a headscarf? Although that is normal and doesn't attract attention in the UK, I don't believe that would be the case in Iraq. If you were just being humorous and not trying to put me off overhead abaya then sorry to react like this, but if you were then I don't get the negativity...

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Jilbab can also be used as a word for abaya, but I used it to diffrenciate between an overhead abaya, and the long 'dress' type abaya with sleeves that doesn't go over your head and isn't really acceptable to wear on it's own in Iraq, unless you want to stand out as a foreigner... its called the abaya of shaytan in Iraq... not that I agree with that but wouldn't want to offend anyone there or insist on looking different. salams inshallah

So a cloak or shawl is utterly unacceptable in Iraq ?----

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(salam) sister,

About the headscarves; you can wear different colors. There is no problem with that but I suppose out of respect to the shrines of the Imams (as) you could wear blacker white when you visit (don't wear white... White gets so dirty and they don't have the best laundry detergent over there :s)

As long as you dont wear any neon colors lol you'll be fine in the areas you mentioned. The women usually wear colored hijabs under the abayas. My aunts, in baghdaf,all wear jilbabs. Baghdad is a bit westernized, probably because they have sole Christians, so you could wear your normal hijab there. Btw by Baghdad I mean kadhimiyah and such. The outskirts of Baghdad and anywhere else, I'd wear my full abaya.

The best thing to do so as to not attract attention is to not speak. Lol Arabs are very keen on the way you speak, they always wanna guess where you're from in Iraq and if you speak Arabic but not very well, they'll pick up on that fact that you aren't Iraqi. I'm Iraqi and I speak Iraqi and I had some people tell me that I wasnt from "around here".

Oh my! Don't wear a jilbab under the abaya, it'll feel like an oven in there!

Especially since you're going in the middle of summer!

If you feel confident with your abaya, meaning you're sure it won't fly off somewhere, wear comfortable pants and a t-shirt.

If not, wear an abaya. I suggest wearing pants because if the wind blew the abaya your dishdasha or skirt won't fly away too and reveal your legs.

I wore pants and a t-shirt the entire time I was there and I was very comfortable and I found it easier to control my abaya that way.

Shoes! Okay, remember in Iraq, not all the roads are paved and sometimes you'll have to walk for 10-15 minutes, maybe longer if you're in bazaar type market. So stick with flats that will protect your feet.

The color doesn't matter, again as long as it isn't neon, no one usually pays attention. White, I learned the hard way, isn't a good color to wear.

Umm what else should I tell you...

Oh! The most amazing thing in Iraq is when you visit the shrines and it's very hot right? You're extremely thirsty and you go get some water from those huge orange water coolers in the "sahhan" of the shrine.

Absolutely the most amazing water you'll have ever tasted. Enjoy it.

Guys, there are some nasty guys in Iraq. Make sure you're around a man so that you won't have to deal with them and in case there isn't, the best way to deal with them is to ignore them.

If I think of anything else, I'll post it and if you have any other questions, please do ask.

insha'Allah you have a safe trip to Iraq and have fun! You'll miss it when you leave, I promise you that.

(wasalam)

OH ALSO! See if you can have an elastic band sewn into the head of your abaya! It is a life saver! So the purpose of it is to keep the Abaya in place by you pulling this elastic on the back of your head (usually under where your hairbun would be, which is the best way to wear your hair with an abaya like that). It's hard to explain but I'm sure if you explain it to your mother in law, she'll know exactly what you're talking about.

Seriously, I'm young and I wouldve killed myself somehow with my abaya had it not ben for that piece of elastic. Lol

So this is especially helpful to those who are new to the overhead abaya.

Salam, thanks for your reply! Like you said I will probs stear clear of wearing a white headscarf and stick to medium and dark colours, but wasn't really planning on wearing white scarves that much anyway cus it doesn't suit me that much lol. I probably will still stick to the overhead abaya at Kadhimain, and I wont be going to actual Baghdad anyway so will stick with that. Thanks for keeping my colour options open!

I will probably not be speaking much just listening lol, because I understand a lot more Arabic then I am confident to speak(even though my mother in law says my pronounciation is better then her kids) I know Iraqis can be nosey even in the UK let alone in Iraq lol!

I probably wont wear jilbaab under my abaya(unless wearing it like a dishdasha) but are you sure it will be very hot because I am going in mid October to mid November time... my mother in law says it will be around 18-20 degrees celsius... But I will probs stick to shirts, tops, and jeans, trousers or skirts under the overhead abaya, and I might try your trick of wearing jeans under a dishdasha with the overhead abaya inshallah.

I will try and stick with darker coloured flat shoes that are comfortable and protect my feet inshallah, it is absolutely true that the roads are not all paved so I will try and be mindful of that inshallah.

Is the holy water from the shrines you mentioned from a different source to local tap water, or should I say is the local tap water taken from the local shrines? I assume that many visitors from abroad drink this water and that it is safe, so inshallah I will enjoy it.

I know about the perves lol, and will probably always be with my husband or father in law, and some uncles in law, so I should be ok, I already ignore most men I walk past lol, especially freshy perverts from certain muslim countries lol. I had experience of perves trying to get my mums attention in a Turkish bazaar when we were there on holiday, and because I was ofcourse in hijab and ignoring them and showing a determined and not so freindly face, they left me alone, but my mum... I had to drag her and stop her from get hassled by the disgusting men working there lol. So I should be ok inshallah, if Iraqi perves are more persistent the Turkish ones, I now have a husband to knock them out lol, and a father in law to lecture them on Islamic ettiquet lol.

Once I buy my overhead abaya I will probs put elastic in it inshallah(if I can't buy one that has it already) also, I usually wear a medium to small farasha clip under my scarf so it is good to know that a bun hairstyle under the scarf is the most suitable for keeping the abaya on your head lol, I might also pin the abaya on top of my head, depending how thick and heavy the material is inshallah.

Thanks for your response, and if I can think of any other questions then I will definitly ask inshallah.

salams and duas

laugh lol , sorry if my saracsm was edgy , probably you will not have another option , you will have just to enjoy it somehow

but if you could get the abayah on shoulders , wide one with long wide head scarf that slides on shoulders and covers chest properly , you aint gonna get any troubles

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I really like that abaya in the pic, but Iraq is really conservative from what I have heard and that abaya would be a little to risque lol, plus some shrines don't let you in without an overhead abaya and will give you a praying chador/overhead abaya to borrow in order to enter, so would rather not attract that attention and just wear one in advance. My problem with jilbaabs/abayas is that they are usually too short rather then too long, I am 5.6ft-5.7ft and they are usually made for shorter women from the middle east or the Indian subcontinent(not that all people from that part of the world are short) but I will probably get the abaya in advance in order to make sure that I can walk in it, I have tried them on before and they seemed to be no problem, but I guess that's different to wearing it all the time lol.

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(salam) 

You're very welcome sister! :D 

Btw, I would pay to hear you speak Iraqi. Hehe I think it's cute when a nonarab speaks Iraqi. 

Last time I went, my visit was from march-August. Summer starts around june in iraq i believe. It was very hot. Like to the point where if you aren't used to the heat, you could faint. Keep your options open though, maybe it won't be too hot.

The water you get from the shrines is fine, it's always clean. 

Here's another warning, I've had some friends (and my own mother) go to Iraq and come back with kidney stones. So be careful with the water you drink. 

Lol! Awesome. Yallah, insha'Allah you have fun over there. Btw, I'd like to know how your visit goes insha'Allah. I miss iraq :P 

Once you get the elastic, I doubt you'd need to pin it. You'll see. Also, your mother in law probably already knows but just so you do, choose a good material. The abaya is black so avoid thick materials. It'll only make it hotter for you. 

Also, there are check points. Everywhere. Lol be ready to be searched. (I wasn't a kinda freaked out on the inside when I had a going through my bag. Lol) 

(wasalam)

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Salams sister,

and do be toooooooo detailed... i like details too but sometimes make myself a little nuts with it all. Relax, remember you are boing to visit your Imam a.s. and you will be o.k.

visited and lived in so many countries overseas.... the people aren't as rigid as we sometimes think. my recommendation is to weare really good shoes for walking... and of course, socks to keep dampness away from the leather if the leather is not helal.

your husband is iraqi, he should know this stuff too! Most people make the mistake of overpreparing and dtaking too much.. relax and enjoy!

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(salam)

You're very welcome sister! :D

Btw, I would pay to hear you speak Iraqi. Hehe I think it's cute when a nonarab speaks Iraqi.

Last time I went, my visit was from march-August. Summer starts around june in iraq i believe. It was very hot. Like to the point where if you aren't used to the heat, you could faint. Keep your options open though, maybe it won't be too hot.

The water you get from the shrines is fine, it's always clean.

Here's another warning, I've had some friends (and my own mother) go to Iraq and come back with kidney stones. So be careful with the water you drink.

Lol! Awesome. Yallah, insha'Allah you have fun over there. Btw, I'd like to know how your visit goes insha'Allah. I miss iraq :P

Once you get the elastic, I doubt you'd need to pin it. You'll see. Also, your mother in law probably already knows but just so you do, choose a good material. The abaya is black so avoid thick materials. It'll only make it hotter for you.

Also, there are check points. Everywhere. Lol be ready to be searched. (I wasn't a kinda freaked out on the inside when I had a going through my bag. Lol)

(wasalam)

Yallah, atini faloos and I will speak Iraqi for you lol!

I hope that it wont be too hot in October November, and I don't think I will ever go to Iraq in mid summer time, and if I ever end up living there inshallah then we will just have to be rich snobs and have AC in the car and house lol.

Thanks for the info on shrine water, I will be inshallah drinking a lot of that, plus my family in Kufa have a water filter, and my mother in law says that their water is even cleaner then the bottle water that you can buy. I didn't know about the kidney stones issue, but I did know about the bad stomach and sickness and diarrhea, so I was planning on being very careful, plus I am trying to concieve and may inshallah be pregnant by the time I go to Iraq(pray for me inshallah) and so I will have to be extremely careful.

Inshallah I will let you know about how the trip goes, I will try and put an elastic on the abaya because I think that will help inshallah. I know about the check points lol, I did think they were mainly leading up to entry into the harams, are they elsewhere for women?

Also do you, or indeed anyone else here on shiachat, know of a good comprehensive ziyarah, a'amaals, ettiquette of ziyarah book, I would need it to have the english translation, the arabic in the english alphabet, and the arabic in the original script. Usually I use a smaller shortened version of mafatih al jinan and a couple of other books, or I go online to duas.org or al-Islam.org, but clearly this wouldn't be possible whilst actually going to ziyarah in Iraq. Even if it's a big heavy book then I don't mind carrying it around with me. I have been doing some research and brushing up my knowlege of the different religious sites in Iraq, and what the ettiquettes of entering the harams and which ziyarahs to do, but especially because I wont be going with an English speaking expert or sheikh, and because I don't want to rely on others to recite for me, I would like to have all the relevent information to hand, without having to print a whole load of things from online and carry them around loose with me. So a complete book with everything in(especially important stuff) would be much better. So if anyone can suggest a book and where to get it, that would be much appreciated.

Thanks again sister for all your replies, and thanks to everyone else for their replies too. Salams and duas, anyone who has anything they want me to pray for in Iraq, please do post it on this thread, even if you don't want to say what the specific hajaat(desire) is, so long as it's a halal desire inshallah lol!

Salams sister,

and do be toooooooo detailed... i like details too but sometimes make myself a little nuts with it all. Relax, remember you are boing to visit your Imam a.s. and you will be o.k.

visited and lived in so many countries overseas.... the people aren't as rigid as we sometimes think. my recommendation is to weare really good shoes for walking... and of course, socks to keep dampness away from the leather if the leather is not helal.

your husband is iraqi, he should know this stuff too! Most people make the mistake of overpreparing and dtaking too much.. relax and enjoy!

Salam, thanks for your reply. I will try not to go nuts with the detail lol but at least I can be prepared both practically and physically inshallah, and I suppose because I have never been there I am thinking that people are a lot more rigid then they might turn out to be, but better to be safe then sorry inshallah. I trust in Allah(swt) and the hospitality of the aimma(as) inshallah and thank you for your reminder, I will try and keep that at the front of my thoughts inshallah. I will probably avoid haram leather and get fake leather or some other material, but yes I do think that a good pair of sensible shoes is a necessity for comfort inshallah. I know my husband is Iraqi and he has been to Iraq a few times, but he isn't very aware of his surroundings and how women do things over there lol, but I will get more and more info from my family and friends inshallah so that I am fully prepared and can do the best ziyarah possible inshallah. I will try not to take too much stuff lol... but you know ladies lol plus my mother in law lovws taking loads of gifts lol so she will be stuffing lots of them in my bag most likely lol... I will try to enjoy it lol and I am sure I will, I have been waiting and dreaming of ziyarah for many years and can't wait!

salams and duas, please make dua for me and inshallah I will do the same for you

(salam)

Sister Marayam, before I go any further , I'd like to tell you, your flight will have a lot of waypoints (TURNS) usually every 30min (How I know ... I was hired by Turkish Airlines and have flown the route from Dubai-Baghdad) earlier last year in March.The Abiyah is completely correct , choice of colours are spot on, you simply cannot wonder off into pink , red , purple. I'd say stick to black and white, ESPECIALLY AT THE SHRINES. Other than that you'll be fine I hope Allah (S.W.T) rewards you and I hope you enjoy your journey.

(wasalam)

Sam

Thanks for info, we are hoping to go to Najaf airport, either stopping off in Turkey or Dubai, not sure if that makes a difference, didn't know about the turns every 30 mins, whats the reason?. Thanks for confirmation of dress code ettiquette too.

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Yallah, atini faloos and I will speak Iraqi for you lol!

I hope that it wont be too hot in October November, and I don't think I will ever go to Iraq in mid summer time, and if I ever end up living there inshallah then we will just have to be rich snobs and have AC in the car and house lol.

Thanks for the info on shrine water, I will be inshallah drinking a lot of that, plus my family in Kufa have a water filter, and my mother in law says that their water is even cleaner then the bottle water that you can buy. I didn't know about the kidney stones issue, but I did know about the bad stomach and sickness and diarrhea, so I was planning on being very careful, plus I am trying to concieve and may inshallah be pregnant by the time I go to Iraq(pray for me inshallah) and so I will have to be extremely careful.

Inshallah I will let you know about how the trip goes, I will try and put an elastic on the abaya because I think that will help inshallah. I know about the check points lol, I did think they were mainly leading up to entry into the harams, are they elsewhere for women?

Also do you, or indeed anyone else here on shiachat, know of a good comprehensive ziyarah, a'amaals, ettiquette of ziyarah book, I would need it to have the english translation, the arabic in the english alphabet, and the arabic in the original script. Usually I use a smaller shortened version of mafatih al jinan and a couple of other books, or I go online to duas.org or al-Islam.org, but clearly this wouldn't be possible whilst actually going to ziyarah in Iraq. Even if it's a big heavy book then I don't mind carrying it around with me. I have been doing some research and brushing up my knowlege of the different religious sites in Iraq, and what the ettiquettes of entering the harams and which ziyarahs to do, but especially because I wont be going with an English speaking expert or sheikh, and because I don't want to rely on others to recite for me, I would like to have all the relevent information to hand, without having to print a whole load of things from online and carry them around loose with me. So a complete book with everything in(especially important stuff) would be much better. So if anyone can suggest a book and where to get it, that would be much appreciated.

Thanks again sister for all your replies, and thanks to everyone else for their replies too. Salams and duas, anyone who has anything they want me to pray for in Iraq, please do post it on this thread, even if you don't want to say what the specific hajaat(desire) is, so long as it's a halal desire inshallah lol!

LOL! How much?! Just name your price! :D

Lol sister may Allah bless you and your husband with a beautiful child soon :)

insha'Allah you do move there and insha'Allah we will be neighbors. Then we can speak all the Iraqi there is to speak.

Oh yes, your mother in law is probably right.

Also, be careful which restaurants you go to.

I had terrible food poisoning when I got some shawarma from Karbala and if I knew the name of the resaurant I'd tell you it so you can avoid it at all cost! Lol I still can't stomach shawarma.

About the checkpoints, yeah most of them are around the shrines. When I visited my rich and snobby cousins in Baghdad, they had TONS of checkpoints. They wouldn't let our taxi driver in and we had to have someone inside the area vouch for us. They're rich and snobby so they must live members of the parliament or something lol

about the ziyara books, I honestly don't know. I hope some other sister knows. Make a new thread somewhere else in case any of the brothers know of one.

Ya hear that people?! Keep it halal! Lol

Keep us in your Duas dear sister and I hope you have a wonderful time in Iraq.

(salam) :)

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