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Wiladat Al-qaim Al-mahdi

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Salaaam,

I want to ask the shia brethren of ours that if the Imam is hidden and he is not as Ahle Sunnah say that he will be born or has been recently born then how are shias beein guided when the Imam is hidden?

Why were there stiff differences between shias like akhbaris and usualis within ithna ashari if Imam Mahdi a.s is in contact with some shia ulema as you say.

Who transmitted the narrations of Masoomeen , were they not ghair-masumeeen so this is what Ahle Sunnah does we transmit the narration of Holy Prophet saws through ghair masoomeen, our chains are much shorter than yours.

Imam Mahdi a.s is hidden may i know why, yes i do not deny it is possible that Allah can prolong a life of a person for thousand of years and even double that like he did for Khizr a.s. But there are soo many hadiths which state that the Mahdi a.s will be fromt the descendents of Imam Hasan r.a. Why is it that the shias do not count the descendents of Imam Hasan r.a as capable of Wilayah and Imamat.

Do you consider Zaid e Shaeed, Ismail bin Jafar r.a and descendents of Imam Hasan r.a as being from Ahle e Bayt a.s. Do you consider Bibi Zainab s.a from Ahle bayt a.s.

If not then the opinion of these persons is in contradiction to yours as each Imam considered himself worthy of Imamate.

The shias say that Jihad is only possible whent he Imam comes and that is why in the past they have neevr fought the kuffart until now that they have changed rheir stance in iran.

Why are ayatullah's in conflict with each other if they refer to the same Imam?

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Salam,

Thank you for your efforts akhi. Each of these chains are unique in themselves, and so short! This adds to our other body of reliable narrations that confirm the birth of Sahib al-Asr (aj). Everyone knows my stance on the rijal and isolated reports, but I can safely say that we have enough evidence to confidentally conclude, historically speaking, that there was indeed a birth of a son.

Indeed.

May Allah allow us witness his blessed Arrival insha'Allah

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al-Kulayni in (his book) al-Kafi (the Sufficient) (said): from Ali bin Muhammad from Hamdan al-Qulanasiy - who said: I said to al-Amiry: Abu Muhammad (Imam al-Hasan al-Askariy) عليه السلام has passed away, so he said to me: He has passed away, but He has left among you someone whose neck is of this size - and he pointed it out (i.e. indicated the size) using his hand. [al-Kafi Vol.1 Pg. 329]

For more elaboration about the background to this.

[Muhammad bin Yaqub al-Kulayni] from Muhammad bin Abdallah AND Muhammad bin Yahya from Abdallah bin Jafar al-Himyari who said:

We gathered – me and the Shaykh Abu Amr (al-Amriy) – may Allah have mercy on him – at Ahmad bin Ishaq’s place;

so Ahmad bin Ishaq (secretly) intoned me to ask him (Shaykh Abu Amr al-Amriy) about the successor; so I said to him: O Abu Amr, I want to ask you about something, but (beforehand) I wish to clarify that I am not in doubt about what I want to ask you about, for it is my creed and religion that the earth will not remain without a Proof - except – when it is left from the day of resurrection a period of forty days; for when that time comes the Hujjah (argument) is repelled, and the doors of forgiveness are closed, ‘and faith (then) shall not benefit any soul that had not believed beforehand and had not earned some goodness in (that prior) faith’ (6:158), then these (who are at this time) will be the worst of the creatures of Allah, and they are the ones upon whom the day of resurrection will be established upon;

rather I wish to increase in certainty, and verily Ibrahim – upon him be peace – had asked his lord to show him how he raises the dead, ‘He said: do you not believe? he said: yes, indeed (I do), but so that my heart is comforted’ (2:260), and Abu Ali Ahmad bin Ishaq has informed me from Abil Hasan (Ali bin Muhammad an-Naqi) – upon him be peace – saying: I asked Him and said: whom do I emulate or from whom do I take?, and whose words do I accept? So he (Abil Hasan Ali bin Muhammad an-Naqi) said to him (Abu Ali Ahmad bin Ishaq): al-Amriy is my trustee, so what he gives you on my behalf then his giving is (truly) on mine (behalf), and what he says to you on my behalf then his saying is (truly) on mine (behalf), so listen to him and obey him, for he is (both) trustworthy and reliable, and Abu Ali (Ahmad bin Ishaq) (also) informed me that he had asked Aba Muhammad (al-Hasan bin Ali al-Askariy) about the same matter, so he said to him: al-Amriy and his son are two trustees, so what they give to you on my behalf then their giving is (truly) on mine (behalf), and what they say to you on my behalf then their saying is (truly) on mine (behalf), so listen to them and obey them, for they are (both) trustworthy and reliable - so these are the words of the two Imams, said previously about you (O Abu Amr);

He said: so Abu Amr prostrated himself and cried, then he said: ask your question,

so I said to him: have you seen the successor after Aba Muhammad (al-Hasan bin Ali al-Askariy) – peace be upon him?, so he said: yes by Allah, and his neck was so – pointing with his hand (to his own neck) (i.e I saw him while he was mature),

so I said to him: then it is left (for me to ask) one (more question), so he said: ask, so I said: (what about) his name? so he said: it is forbidden unto you to ask about it, and I do not say this from my own self, for it is not for me to make permissible and to forbid, rather it (this instruction) is from him – peace be upon him, for the matter with the Sultan (ruler of the day) is that Aba Muhammad (al-Hasan bin Ali al-Askariy) has passed on – and has not left behind a son, and his inheritance was divided and have taken from it those who have no right over it, his family has separated and no one has the bravery to make himself known to them (the usurpers) or to take anything (of theirs) from them, and if the name is revealed the search will begin, so fear Allah and leave this matter (as it is). (Sahih)

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^ I wish to revive this Insha Allah.

The above narration has also been abridged by al-Saduq as follows:


حدثنا محمد بن الحسن رضي الله عنه قال، حدثنا عبدالله بن جعفر الحميري قال: قلت لمحمد بن عثمان العمري رضي الله عنه: إني أسألك سؤال إبراهيم ربه عز وجل حين قال: " رب أرني كيف تحيي الموتى قال أولم تؤمن قال بلى ولكن ليطمئن قلبي " أخبرني عن صاحب هذا الامر هل رأيته؟ قال: نعم وله رقبة مثل ذي وأشار بيده إلى عنقه

 

Al-Saduq: narrated to us Muhammad b. al-Hasan – may Allah be pleased with him – who said: narrated to us Abdallah b. Jafar al-Himyari who said: I said to Muhammad b. Uthman al-Amri – may Allah be pleased with him: I am asking you the question asked by Ibrahim to his Lord the Mighty and Majestic – when he said: ‘My Lord - show me how you give life to the dead, He said: do you not believe? He said: yes (I do), but so that my heart is comforted’ (2:260) – Inform me about the Master of this Affair – have you seen him? he said: yes, and he has a neck like this (of this size) – and he indicated with his hand to his own neck[1].

The Grading of the Narration

The chain is Sahih, very strong, its men are the symbols of the community.

Muhammad b. al-Hasan: He is Ibn al-Walid, Thiqah (trustworthy), Ayn (core), Adhim (great) by agreement, al-Najashi said: Abu Jafar, the Shaykh (authoritative leader) of the Qummis, and their Faqih (jurisprudent). And their Mutaqadim (vanguard), and their Wajh (lit. face - representative), Thiqatun Thiqah, Ayn, dependable.

Abdallah b. Jafar: he is the grandson al-Husayn al-Himyari, among the greatest Shuyukh of the Taifah, Thiqah, Ayn by agreement, he had correspondence with the Master of the Age, al-Najashi said: Shaykh of the Qummis, and their Wajh, and al-Tusi said: he has the Kuniyya of Abu al-Abbas, Qummi, Thiqah, and al-Saduq has another Sahih chain by which he narrates all the books and narrations of Abdallah al-Himyari – and among them is this narration – (the chain is:) from his father and Muhammad b. al-Hasan – may Allah be pleased with both of them (from Abdallah)[2].

[1] Kamal al-Din Pg. 435, and he narrated it also in in Pg. 441 from his father and Ibn al-Walid from Abdallah b. Jafar.
[2] Rijal al-Najashi Pg. 219, No. 573; Fihrist al-Tusi No. 440.

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A brief translation from Asif Muhsini work Mashra'at al-Bihar (research on Allama Majlisi's Bihar al-anwar) vol-2, chapter Birth of 12th Imam.

It includes more than forty narrations (regarding birth), what is acceptable from them are #5, IF it is established that al-Saduq asked Allah’s mercy many times on abu `Isam as the narration states.

And the narration #33, IF al-Khashhab in this narration was actually al-Hasan bin Musa, but there is hesitation because he is from the seventh level while al-Khashhab in this narration was the teacher of ibn abi Najran and he is from the sixth level, thus he is Majhool(unknown).

As for the second narration and others, it has detailed the birth of al-Qa’im. However, it is weak in its chains, and its texts conflict, as for its narrators they are unknown, even Hakeemah ÑÖí Çááøå ÚÜäÜå is not documented as being reliable, thus these narrations are all not considered nor can we rely on them to learn the details.

As for narration #12 and others that are similar to it, they are fictional stories fabricated by some narrators as the expert researchers know, unless the reader is a naive simpleton.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyldFWJNUPI

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On 5/2/2017 at 0:47 AM, Ya Allah Madad said:

A brief translation from Asif Muhsini work Mashra'at al-Bihar (research on Allama Majlisi's Bihar al-anwar) vol-2, chapter Birth of 12th Imam.

It includes more than forty narrations (regarding birth), what is acceptable from them are #5, IF it is established that al-Saduq asked Allah’s mercy many times on abu `Isam as the narration states.

And the narration #33, IF al-Khashhab in this narration was actually al-Hasan bin Musa, but there is hesitation because he is from the seventh level while al-Khashhab in this narration was the teacher of ibn abi Najran and he is from the sixth level, thus he is Majhool(unknown).

As for the second narration and others, it has detailed the birth of al-Qa’im. However, it is weak in its chains, and its texts conflict, as for its narrators they are unknown, even Hakeemah ÑÖí Çááøå ÚÜäÜå is not documented as being reliable, thus these narrations are all not considered nor can we rely on them to learn the details.

As for narration #12 and others that are similar to it, they are fictional stories fabricated by some narrators as the expert researchers know, unless the reader is a naive simpleton.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyldFWJNUPI

What does this have to do with the narrations included here?

I am not sure of the point you are trying to make. Are you accusing al-Muhsini of not believing in the birth? Just come ahead and state it if so. 

The problem seems to be that you are relying on a copy and paste which I am not sure you understand fully.

Five quick points: 

(i) al-Muhsini has his own Manhaj in authenticating Ahadith which other scholars might not agree with. 

(ii) Historical births are not proven necessarily by Asanid. 

(iii) What you bring about is just a summation of one Bab - what of the other chapters which contain authentic narrations acc. to al-Muhsini? [these prove his existence indirectly, see above for some]

(iv) There exists a concept of multiple chains strengthening each other.

(v) There are fictional narratives which were fabricated about the incident, however, this topic is not for collecting those. 

Here I presented some Ahadith which are of a higher strength [to most scholars]. If you have anything to comment about these then you are welcome.

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أبوه، ومحمد بن الحسن، ومحمد بن موسى ابن المتوكل - رضي الله عنهم، عن عبد الله بن جعفر الحميري قال: سألت محمد بن عثمان العمري رضي الله عنه فقلت له: رأيت صاحب هذا الامر عليه السلام؟ فقال: نعم، وآخر عهدي به عند بيت الله الحرام وهو يقول: اللهم أنجز لي ما وعدتني، قال محمد بن عثمان رضي الله عنه وأرضاه: ورأيته صلوات الله عليه متعلقا بأستار الكعبة في المستجار وهو يقول: اللهم انتقم لي من أعدائك

His [al-Saduqs] father, Muhammad b. al-Hasan and Muhammad b. Musa b. al-Mutawakkil - may Allah be pleased with them all - from Abdallah b. Ja’far al-Himyari who said:

I asked Muhammad b. Uthman al-Amri رضي الله عنه: Have you seen the Master of this Orderعليه السلام

He said: Yes. My last meeting with him was at the Sanctified House of Allah [Ka’ba], he was saying: ‘O Allah - fulfill for me what you promised me’.

Muhammad b. Uthman رضي الله عنه وأرضاه said: I also saw him صلوات الله عليه clinging to the covering of the Ka’ba at the Mustajar [place of refuge - wall opposite the Yamani corner of the Ka’ba] saying: ‘O Allah - seek revenge for me from your enemies’.

 

Reference: Man La Yahdhuruhu al-Faqih, Vol 2, Pg. 520.

Grading: Sahih.

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