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Tusi's Ghayba - A Selection Of Hadiths (english)

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(bismillah)

(salam)

Jazakum Allah Khair for posting up these traditions, and for the book you compiled.

May Allah (swt) grant you the tawfeeq to carry out more projects such as this inshaa'Allah

A few questions I have if you don't mind

413 – æÈåÐÇ ÇáÇÓäÇÏ Úä ÚÈÏ ÇáÑÍãä Èä ßËíÑ ÞÇá: ßäÊ ÚäÏ ÃÈí ÚÈÏ Çááå Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã ÅÐ ÏÎá Úáíå ãåÒã ÇáÇÓÏí ÝÞÇá: ÃÎÈÑäí ÌÚáÊ ÝÏÇß ãÊì åÐÇ ÇáÇãÑ ÇáÐí ÊäÊÙÑæäå ¿ ÝÞÏ ØÇá¡ ÝÞÇá: íÇ ãåÒã ßÐÈ ÇáæÞÇÊæä¡ æåáß ÇáãÓÊÚÌáæä¡ æäÌÇ ÇáãÓáãæä¡ æÅáíäÇ íÕíÑæä (6).

413 – And by this isnad from `Abd ar-Rahman b. Kathir. He said: I was with Abu `Abdillah (as) when Mahzam al-Asadi entered in upon him. So he said: Inform me, may I be made your ransom, when shall be this affair for which we are waiting? So he said: O Mahzam, the time-setters have lied, and the hasteners have been destroyed, and the Muslims have been saved, to us they are coming.

MAJHOOL

What does it mean by the hasteners?

428 – ÇáÝÖá Èä ÔÇÐÇä¡ Úä ÇáÍÓä Èä Úáí ÇáæÔÇÁ¡ Úä ÃÍãÏ Èä ÚÇÆÐ (2)¡ Úä ÃÈí ÎÏíÌÉ ÞÇá: ÞÇá ÃÈæ ÚÈÏ Çááå Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã: áÇ íÎÑÌ ÇáÞÇÆã ÍÊì íÎÑÌ ÇËäÇ ÚÔÑ ãä Èäí åÇÔã ßáåã íÏÚæ Åáì äÝÓå (3).

428 – al-Fadl b. Shadhan from al-Hasan b. `Ali al-Washsha from Ahmad b. `Aa’idh from Abu Khadija. He said: Abu `Abdillah (as) said: The Qa’im will not come out until twelve from the Banu Hashim come out, each of them calling to himself.

SAHEEH

Does this mean 12 rightful people [e.g. the Prophet (pbuh) and 11 other Imams (as)] or 12 deceivers? and if it means the latter then does it mean 12 before the Imam (atfs) or 12 after him?

443 – æÚäå (4)¡ Úä ÓíÝ Èä ÚãíÑÉ¡ Úä ÈßÑ Èä ãÍãÏ ÇáÇÒÏí (5)¡ Úä ÃÈí ÚÈÏ Çááå Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã ÞÇá: ÎÑæÌ ÇáËáÇËÉ: ÇáÎÑÇÓÇäí æÇáÓÝíÇäí æÇáíãÇäí Ýí ÓäÉ æÇÍÏÉ Ýí ÔåÑ æÇÍÏ Ýí íæã æÇÍÏ¡ æáíÓ ÝíåÇ ÑÇíÉ ÈÃåÏì ãä ÑÇíÉ ÇáíãÇäí íåÏí Åáì ÇáÍÞ (1).

443 – And from him from Sayf b. `Umayra from Bakr b. Muhammad al-Azdi from Abu `Abdillah (as). He said: The going forth of three: The Khorasani and the Sufyani and the Yamani in a single year, in a single month, in a single day, and there is no standard in it (the year, month, and day) that is more guided than the standard of the Yamani, guiding to the truth.

SAHEEH

444 – Úäå¡ Úä ÇÈä ÝÖÇá¡ Úä ÇÈä ÈßíÑ¡ Úä ãÍãÏ Èä ãÓáã ÞÇá: íÎÑÌ ÞÈá ÇáÓÝíÇäí ãÕÑí æíãÇäí (2).

444 – From him from Ibn Faddal from Ibn Bukayr from Muhammad b. Muslim. He said: Prior to the Sufyani, an Egyptian (Misri) and a Yamani will go forth.

MUWATHAQ

Aren't these two narrations contradictory? Since one says the Yamani goes forth on the same year, same month and same day of the Sufyani yet the other narration says the Yamani goes forth prior to the Sufyani?

(wasalam)

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(salam)

What does it mean by the hasteners?

I don't know. Perhaps it means those who hastened to identify the Imam and recognized the wrong individuals as the Mahdi.

Does this mean 12 rightful people [e.g. the Prophet (pbuh) and 11 other Imams (as)] or 12 deceivers? and if it means the latter then does it mean 12 before the Imam (atfs) or 12 after him?

The language sounds like 12 imposters from bani Hashim. Since it's Ja`far as-Sadiq (as) reporting the hadith, it would either mean 12 imposters between him and al-`Askari's death, or 12 imposters during the major ghayba. My assumption is the latter.

Aren't these two narrations contradictory? Since one says the Yamani goes forth on the same year, same month and same day of the Sufyani yet the other narration says the Yamani goes forth prior to the Sufyani?

In these hadiths, we see two statements about the Yamani that are seemingly at odds. One says that the Sufyani, Yamani, and Khorasani would all rise in the same day, while the other specifies that the Yamani will precede the Sufyani. This could mean that the Yamani would arise earlier but in the same day as the Sufyani; or, the "day" described in the first hadith may refer to a period of time rather than a normal 24-hour cycle.

And Allah knows best.

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Most times the Ahadith of the book of al-Fadhl are taken from Ali b. Muhammad b. Qutayba who is at the least Mamduh (refer to Shaykh Tusi), but what about the chain from Shaykh Tusi to Ali b. Muhammad b. Qutayba, yes Ahmad b. Idris is Thiqah, but what about Muhammad b. (al-Husayn) b. Sufyan al-Bazarfuriy, isn't he Majhul?

[refer Mashyakhat at-Tahdhibayn].

Can such Ahadith be graded Sahih li Dhatihi?

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but what about Muhammad b. (al-Husayn) b. Sufyan al-Bazarfuriy, isn't he Majhul?

Yes, he is majhool as you know. I should mention that some of the turuq for the above ahadith are not mentioned, and would be majhool in some cases.

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(bismillah)

422 – ÇáÝÖá Èä ÔÇÐÇä¡ Úä ãÍãÏ Èä Úáí¡ Úä ÓÚÏÇä Èä ãÓáã¡ Úä ÃÈí ÈÕíÑ ÞÇá: ÞáÊ áå: ÃáåÐÇ ÇáÇãÑ ÃãÏ äÑíÍ ÃÈÏÇääÇ æääÊåí Åáíå ¿ ÞÇá: Èáì æáßäßã ÃÐÚÊã ÝÒÇÏ Çááå Ýíå

422 – al-Fadl b. Shadhan from Muhammad b. `Ali from Sa`dan b. Muslim from Abu Basir. He said: I said to him: Is there for this affair a period

He said: Yes, however you all call to it (can't keep your mouths shut?) so Allah increases it [the length?]

439 – al-Fadl b. Shadhan from Ahmad b. Muhammad b. Abi Nasr from Tha`laba from Badr b. al-Khalil al-Azdi. He said: Abu Ja`far [as] said: Two signs that are prior to the Qa’im which have not been since Adam [as] descended to the Earth: The sun will eclipse in the middle of month of Ramadan and the moon in its end. So a man said: O son of the Messenger of Allah, the sun will eclipse in the end of the month and the moon in the middle? So Abu Ja`far [as] said: Verily I know what you are saying, however they are two signs that have not been since Adam [as] descended.

This is a very popular one amongst the people.

440 – ÇáÝÖá¡ Úä ÇáÍÓä Èä Úáí Èä ÝÖÇá¡ Úä ËÚáÈÉ¡ Úä ÔÚíÈ ÇáÍÏÇÏ (3)¡ Úä ÕÇáÍ (4) ÞÇá: ÓãÚÊ ÃÈÇ ÚÈÏ Çááå Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã íÞæá: áíÓ Èíä ÞíÇã ÇáÞÇÆã æÈíä ÞÊá ÇáäÝÓ ÇáÒßíÉ ÅáÇ ÎãÓ ÚÔÑå áíáÉ (5).

440 – al-Fadl from al-Hasan b. `Ali b. Faddal from Tha`laba from Shu`ayb the ironsmith from Salih. He said: I heard Abu `Abdillah (as) saying: There is not between the rising of the Qa’im and the killing of the pure sould but fifteen nights.

DHA`EEF OR MAJHOOL

If this is Salih b. `Uqbah, al-Khui [rh] gave him tawtheeq, iirc.

452 – æÚäå¡ Úä ÇÈä ÃÈí ÚãíÑ¡ Úä ÚãÑ Èä ÃÐíäÉ¡ Úä ãÍãÏ Èä ãÓáã ÞÇá: ÓãÚÊ ÃÈÇ ÚÈÏ Çááå Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã íÞæá: Åä ÇáÓÝíÇäí íãáß ÈÚÏ ÙåæÑå Úáì ÇáßæÑ ÇáÎãÓ Íãá ÇãÑÃÉ. Ëã ÞÇá Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã: ÃÓÊÛÝÑ Çááå Íãá Ìãá¡ æåæ ãä ÇáÇãÑ ÇáãÍÊæã ÇáÐí áÇÈÏ ãäå (1).

And from him from Ibn Abi `Ameer from `Amr b. Adheena from Muhammad b. Muslim. He said: I heard Abu `Abdillah (as) say: After his appearance, the Sufyani will rule over five places in the same timespan as a woman’s pregnancy. Then he (as) said: I seek forgiveness from Allah, the pregnancy of a camel. And it is a guaranteed matter.

Did the Imam [as] slip in talking here... or...?

458 – ÇáÝÖá Èä ÔÇÐÇä¡ Úä ãÍãÏ Èä Úáí ÇáßæÝí¡ Úä æåíÈ Èä ÍÝÕ¡ Úä ÃÈí ÈÕíÑ ÞÇá: ÞÇá ÃÈæ ÚÈÏ Çááå Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã: Åä ÇáÞÇÆã ÕáæÇÊ Çááå Úáíå íäÇÏí ÇÓãå (6) áíáÉ ËáÇË æÚÔÑíä¡ æíÞæã íæã ÚÇÔæÑÇÁ íæã ÞÊá Ýíå ÇáÍÓíä Èä Úáí ÚáíåãÇ ÇáÓáÇã (7).

Al-Fadl b. Shadhan from Muhammad b. `Ali al-Kufi from Waheeb b. Hafs from Abi Baseer. He said: Abu Abdillah (as) said: Verily, the name of the Qa’im (blessings of Allah upon him) is called on the night of the 23rd, and he will rise on the Day of `Ashura’; the day al-Husayn b. `Ali (as) was killed on.

MAJHOOL

THIQA (WAQIFI)

This is also a very popular one.

463 – æÚäå¡ Úä ÅÓãÇÚíá Èä ÚíÇÔ¡ Úä ÇáÇÚãÔ¡ Úä ÃÈí æÇÆá (3)¡ Úä ÍÐíÝÉ ÞÇá: ÓãÚÊ ÑÓæá Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå æÓáã æÐßÑ ÇáãåÏí ÝÞÇá: Åäå íÈÇíÚ Èíä ÇáÑßä æÇáãÞÇã¡ ÇÓãå ÃÍãÏ æ ÚÈÏ Çááå æÇáãåÏí¡ ÝåÐå ÃÓãÇÄå ËáÇËÊåÇ (4).

And from him from Isma`il b. `Ayaash from al-A`mash from Abi Wa’el from Hadheefa. He said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (pbuh&hf) and he mentioned the Mahdi and said: Verily, his pledge of allegiance (bay`a) is given between the rukn and the maqam, his name is Ahmad and Abdillah and the Mahdi, for these are his three names.

This is an interesting one. al-A`mash is a qari who is among Hamza's teachers...I think Ibn `Ayyash is a qari, too.

497 – Úäå¡ Úä ÚÈÏ Çááå Èä ÇáÞÇÓã ÇáÍÖÑãí¡ Úä ÚÈÏ ÇáßÑíã Èä ÚãÑæ ÇáÎËÚãí ÞÇá: ÞáÊ áÇÈí ÚÈÏ Çááå Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã: ßã íãáß ÇáÞÇÆã ¿ ÞÇá: ÓÈÚ Óäíä íßæä ÓÈÚíä ÓäÉ ãä Óäíßã åÐå (3) (4).

497 – From him from `Abdullah b. al-Qasim al-Hadrami from `Abd al-Karim b. `Amr al-Khath`ami. He said: I said to Abu `Abdillah (as): For how (many years) will the Qa’im rule? He said: Seven years (that) will be seventy years of these your years.

No grading here.

505 – ÇáÝÖá Èä ÔÇÐÇä¡ Úä ÇáÍÓä Èä ãÍÈæÈ¡ Úä ÚãÑæ Èä ÃÈí ÇáãÞÏÇã¡ Úä ÌÇÈÑ ÇáÌÚÝí ÞÇá: ÓãÚÊ ÃÈÇ ÌÚÝÑ Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã íÞæá: æÇááå áíãáßä ãäÇ Ãåá ÇáÈíÊ ÑÌá ÈÚÏ ãæÊå ËáÇËãÇÆÉ ÓäÉ íÒÏÇÏ ÊÓÚÇ. ÞáÊ: ãÊì íßæä Ðáß ¿. ÞÇá: ÈÚÏ ÇáÞÇÆã Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã. ÞáÊ: æßã íÞæã ÇáÞÇÆã Ýí ÚÇáãå ¿. ÞÇá: ÊÓÚ ÚÔÑÉ ÓäÉ Ëã íÎÑÌ ÇáãäÊÕÑ ÝíØáÈ ÈÏã ÇáÍÓíä Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã æÏãÇÁ ÃÕÍÇÈå¡ ÝíÞÊá æíÓÈí (1) ÍÊì íÎÑÌ ÇáÓÝÇÍ (2) (3)

al-Fadl b. Shadhan from al-Hasan b. Mahbub from `Amr b. Abi ‘l-Miqdam from Jabir al-Ju`fi. He said: I heard Abu Ja`far (as) saying: By Allah, there shall be from us, the Ahl al-Bayt, a man who will rule after his death for three hundred plus nine years. I said: When will that be? He said: After the Qa’im (as). I said: And how (long) will the Qa’im rise in his world? He said: Nineteen years, then the conqueror (al-muntasir) will come out seeking (vengeance for) the blood of al-Husayn (as) and the bloods of his companions. So he will kill and capture until the murderer comes out.

Raja`?

426 – æÈåÐÇ ÇáÇÓäÇÏ (1)¡ Úä ÇÈä ÝÖÇá¡ Úä ÍãÇÏ¡ Úä ÇáÍÓíä Èä ÇáãÎÊÇÑ¡ Úä ÃÈí äÕÑ¡ Úä ÚÇãÑ Èä æÇËáÉ¡ Úä ÃãíÑ ÇáãÄãäíä Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã ÞÇá: ÞÇá ÑÓæá Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå: ÚÔÑ ÞÈá ÇáÓÇÚÉ áÇÈÏ ãäåÇ: ÇáÓÝíÇäí¡ æÇáÏÌÇá¡ æÇáÏÎÇä¡ æÇáÏÇÈÉ æÎÑæÌ ÇáÞÇÆã¡ æØáæÚ ÇáÔãÓ ãä ãÛÑÈåÇ¡ æäÒæá ÚíÓì Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã¡ æÎÓÝ ÈÇáãÔÑÞ æÎÓÝ ÈÌÒíÑÉ ÇáÚÑÈ¡ æäÇÑ ÊÎÑÌ ãä ÞÚÑ ÚÏä ÊÓæÞ ÇáäÇÓ Åáì ÇáãÍÔÑ (2).

And by this isnad from ibn Faddal from Hamad from al-Husayn b. al-Mukhtar from Abi Nasr from `Amer b. Wathalah from Amir al-Mu’mineen (as). He said: The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said: 10 things precede the Hour that are guaranteed and cannot be changed: the Sufyani, the Smoke, the Beast, the appearance of the Qa’im, the rise of the Sun from its West, the descending of Jesus (as), an eclipse in the East and an eclipse in the Arabian Peninsula, and a fire that will appear from the bottom of Eden that will drive(?) the people until the Resurrection.

Abu Tufaaaaaaaaaaaayl!

Ýí ÇãÇä Çááå

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(salam)

I don't know. Perhaps it means those who hastened to identify the Imam and recognized the wrong individuals as the Mahdi.

The language sounds like 12 imposters from bani Hashim. Since it's Ja`far as-Sadiq (as) reporting the hadith, it would either mean 12 imposters between him and al-`Askari's death, or 12 imposters during the major ghayba. My assumption is the latter.

In these hadiths, we see two statements about the Yamani that are seemingly at odds. One says that the Sufyani, Yamani, and Khorasani would all rise in the same day, while the other specifies that the Yamani will precede the Sufyani. This could mean that the Yamani would arise earlier but in the same day as the Sufyani; or, the "day" described in the first hadith may refer to a period of time rather than a normal 24-hour cycle.

And Allah knows best.

I believe i understand why those two hadiths are like that.. bare with me

(salam)

Prior to sufyani(as in Damascus' revolt), Yeman and Egypt will have revolts(yemani and maghribi)

Then Sufyani, Khorassani and the Yemani will rise on the same day each one of them summoning crowds to their names.

It feels so close, but only Allah knows

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(bismillah)

On another note, it's interesting to note how all of the things of problematic matn here have been weakened via rijal, but that doesn't mean that everything weakened by it is problematic. Most, if not all, of what is here are generally supported by other narrations aside from those really strange ones.

في امان الله

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Did the Imam [as] slip in talking here... or...?

The compiler assumes the Imam slips in talking, as there is an (as) in the matn. I assume that this may also be a scribal error, meaning, it is possible that the second part of the hadith is a narrator correcting himself. So, the Sufyani's will rule approximately 13-15 months (?) rather than 9 months - and Allah knows best.

Raja`?

I assume; it seems to say that someone would rise from the dead and rule after the Qa'im for 309 years (same amount of years the Sleepers slept in the cave).

Abu Tufaaaaaaaaaaaayl!

It's too bad I have no idea who Abi Nasr is.

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446 – Úäå¡ Úä ãÍãÏ Èä Úáí¡ Úä ÓáÇã Èä ÚÈÏ Çááå (4)¡ Úä ÃÈí ÈÕíÑ¡ Úä ÈßÑ Èä ÍÑÈ (5)¡ Úä ÃÈí ÚÈÏ Çááå Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã ÞÇá: áÇ íßæä ÝÓÇÏ ãáß Èäí ÝáÇä ÍÊì íÎÊáÝ ÓíÝÇ Èäí ÝáÇä¡ ÝÅÐÇ ÇÎÊáÝÇ (1) ßÇä ÚäÏ Ðáß ÝÓÇÏ ãáßåã (2).

From him from Muhammad b. `Ali from Salaam b. Abdillah from Abi Basir from Bakr b. Harb from Abi Abdillah (as). He said: Do not be a corruption in the kingship of Bani Fulan until the sword of Bani Fulan disagrees (there is a violent disagreement between them?). If they disagree, then you can cause corruption in their kingship(?)

He said: The kingship of Bani Fulan will not be corrupted until Bani Fulan disagree (fight) by sword, when they'll disagree, it is then that their kingship (or ruling) will fall apart.

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