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http://www.mehrnews.com/FA/newsdetail.aspx?NewsID=1617300

http://www.rferl.org/content/iran-list-of-university-courses-banned-for-afghans/24602340.html

The National Organization for Educational Testing has published of list of university degrees that are banned for Afghans living in Iran - mostly engineering, advanced science degrees, military science, etc.

Mehr argues that allowing Afghans to become qualified in these areas, would create an obligation to employ them, as opposed to less qualified native Iranians.

Mehr also tells us that Afghans can only apply to universities in areas where they are not already banned, including a dozen provinces and a number of cities throughout Iran.

Keep in mind that a sizeable percentage of these Afghans are Shia Hazars....

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Apparently forcing people to live in poverty and forcing them into criminality is a better moral choice than employing them, even if they are more suitable for the job than other persons. Rest in peace, Islam. We will miss you...

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Kind of misrepresentation of the problem.

Direct translation from the Mehr site, which has nothing to with afghans in particular but afflicts afghans in most cases:

"the acceptance of non-nationals in disciplines that lead to employment obligations to the Islamic Republic of Iran is prohibited"

Iran has the biggest and largest amount of illegal immigrants and legal immigrants in the world, compared to it's own population. It is a big problem for Iranians themselves to get a job, and it's specially a problem to give foreigners jobs in areas that are sensitive like nuclear, aerospace, weapons engineering.

I think it would be wise to actually present the article in a fair and appropriate matter.

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Middle-eastern countries, Asian countries... in fact many countries prefer their giving work to their own citizens first.

I personally belong to the school of thought of not considering nationality in any such thing (no borders, no visa systems, no preferential treatment, etc).

But in today's world almost every single country has discrimination on the grounds of nationality and citizenship, Iran too. Sigh. But whatchagonnado?

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Kind of misrepresentation of the problem.

Direct translation from the Mehr site, which has nothing to with afghans in particular but afflicts afghans in most cases:

Iran has the biggest and largest amount of illegal immigrants and legal immigrants in the world, compared to it's own population. It is a big problem for Iranians themselves to get a job, and it's specially a problem to give foreigners jobs in areas that are sensitive like nuclear, aerospace, weapons engineering.

I think it would be wise to actually present the article in a fair and appropriate matter.

Excuse me, but exactly how, did I misrepresent it.

All you did is re-state the facts that I listed, in a slightly more generous way.

And it's totally misleading to imply that there are national security concerns here - becoming an engineer doesn't enable you to spy!

As always, simply imagine the reverse.

Imagine this was a story from the USA or France or the UK, wherein the government forbade Muslims from studying certain subjects, and banned them from certain areas.

You'd be crying racism, apartheid, fascism!

Which is exactly what this is.

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http://www.mehrnews....?NewsID=1617300

http://www.rferl.org...s/24602340.html

The National Organization for Educational Testing has published of list of university degrees that are banned for Afghans living in Iran - mostly engineering, advanced science degrees, military science, etc.

Mehr argues that allowing Afghans to become qualified in these areas, would create an obligation to employ them, as opposed to less qualified native Iranians.

Mehr also tells us that Afghans can only apply to universities in areas where they are not already banned, including a dozen provinces and a number of cities throughout Iran.

Keep in mind that a sizeable percentage of these Afghans are Shia Hazars....

Almost all universities are free and government takes care of school fee and boarding. Try this in other socialist countries such as Canada or UK and you will get the same reply. Pay 3-4x more than the local students pay and come join the party. In non socialist states too such as USA, in state students pay x, out of state students (those who are still Americans but are from a different state) pay 3-5x more.

Besides, for sensitive subjects, every country has certain glass ceilings for foreigners. Try getting into a prestigious aero-space engineering or nuclear engineering programs in a Russian or French university. You won't even get an admission.

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Almost all universities are free and government takes care of school fee and boarding. Try this in other socialist countries such as Canada or UK and you will get the same reply. Pay 3-4x more than the local students pay and come join the party. In non socialist states too such as USA, in state students pay x, out of state students (those who are still Americans but are from a different state) pay 3-5x more.

Besides, for sensitive subjects, every country has certain glass ceilings for foreigners. Try getting into a prestigious aero-space engineering or nuclear engineering programs in a Russian or French university. You won't even get an admission.

see my post above.

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As always, simply imagine the reverse.

Imagine this was a story from the USA or France or the UK, wherein the government forbade Muslims from studying certain subjects, and banned them from certain areas.

You'd be crying racism, apartheid, fascism!

Which is exactly what this is.

The Netherlands, the Most Tolerant Country In The Whole World, has already banned Iranians from studying nuclear-related subjects. But of course, you won't be able to see it with your West-obsessed glasses on.

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The Netherlands, the Most Tolerant Country In The Whole World, has already banned Iranians from studying nuclear-related subjects. But of course, you won't be able to see it with your West-obsessed glasses on.

And how right do you think they are?

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Middle-eastern countries, Asian countries... in fact many countries prefer their giving work to their own citizens first.

I personally belong to the school of thought of not considering nationality in any such thing (no borders, no visa systems, no preferential treatment, etc).

But in today's world almost every single country has discrimination on the grounds of nationality and citizenship, Iran too. Sigh. But whatchagonnado?

ok but in that case y just single out afghans instead of all foreiners?

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Excuse me, but exactly how, did I misrepresent it.

All you did is re-state the facts that I listed, in a slightly more generous way.

And it's totally misleading to imply that there are national security concerns here - becoming an engineer doesn't enable you to spy!

As always, simply imagine the reverse.

Imagine this was a story from the USA or France or the UK, wherein the government forbade Muslims from studying certain subjects, and banned them from certain areas.

You'd be crying racism, apartheid, fascism!

Which is exactly what this is.

I have no sympathy for elitism where ever it takes place - be it Iran or the rest of the world. Iranians have a had problem with mistreating afghans for a very long time, not every iranian but in general the society doesn't look at them as equal human beings.

With that being said - the only reason I wanted to post was to point out in the west they have already banned Iranians from working in certain fields as well as studying various subjects - largely related to metallurgy. This ban was implemented several years ago.

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I dont think the foreigners are going away - wouldnt it be better to educate and employ them rather than be a drain on resources?

I doubt that they be drain because to make it to those programs, from very hard socio-economic backgrounds, is proof enough that those students are seekers and hard workers.

In case people do not know, the university entrance exams in Iran is not like Western countries. Aforementioned positions require real good marks and dedication. I agree that its better to educate them because no good deed ever goes to waste. Then again we are talking state- a blind entity.

With that being said - the only reason I wanted to post was to point out in the west they have already banned Iranians from working in certain fields as well as studying various subjects - largely related to metallurgy. This ban was implemented several years ago.

To a Dutch or a Finish it makes less of a difference if an Iranian is educated or otherwise when compared to Iranians and Afghans. Today Afghanistan is known to be the only Central Asian state with a Shia capital. Shias in Afghanistan make a substantial part of the Afghan govt. Most of the lower rank (honest ranks) positions are filled with Afghans who studied in Iran- a win-win situation for both. The same goes when it comes to media and television.

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Iran at least should allowed the Shia Afghans loyal to Islam... it is not fair... and Iran doesn't have to employ Afghans or other foreigners it doesn't trust in higher positions... once they are educated, they can go back to their country! If anything, Afghans won't be able to use their know-how to build anything dangerous or use it against Iran in Afghanistan for decades to come.

Anyhow, one thing I should say here, Afghans themselves do not tolerate anything foreign themselves. They are known to be the most strict people when it comes to 'foreign' of anything. If Afghans had the chance, they would do worse than anyone to any kind of refugees. Back in 1992 there was a small fighting in Tajikistan, some refugees had to cross border and enter North Afghanistan. In a matter of a few months, they had all their expensive goods taken, some of their young boys and their women were raped and in some cases killed or taken hostages as slaves.

Also, the other day ceremonies were held to commemorate Imam Khomeinis anniversary across the world, including Britain, Holland, France, Pakistan, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan and many more countries. The only country whose some of its citizens took to the streets, chanted slogans against the event, and crossed the pictures of Imam Khomeini were the people in Kabul, Afghanistan.. And surprisingly, it wasn't mostly the Salafis or Afghan nationalists, majority of those people who protested and chanted were from the Shia communities of Kabul. This happens in a time while 100s of such events for other foreign causes and foreign personalities are being held in Afghanistan and no one ever protested those.

Why they did it? To tell their fellow Afghans that if some Shia Afghans honor Khomeini they are Iranian agents, while they want to come clean and say they hate Iran more than anyone else.

There are also some other political things going on inside Afghanistan at the moment.. nowadays majority of the media and officials in all sectors are filled with ex-communists loyal to the West and with people loyal to Saudis... in every political moment and its up-&-down they considere Iran as the number one enemy state who interferes in Afghanistan's internal affairs...and then of course the bogeyman Pakistan... to cover up their failure and incite public opinion against Iran.

Iran on the other hand who can't do much to stop those, is taking it out on refugees and issues related to them living inside Iran.

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Kabul, Afg.

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Kabul, Afg.

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Kabul, Afg.

And then the protesters:

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A crowd of Hazaras protesting Khoemini commemorations. The playcards read:

"This is Kabul, not Tehran or Qum"

"To you living on the crums (of Iran): Enough dishonesty!"

"Khomeini's Death Anniversary Sparks Intense Controversy in Kabul

Ayatollah Khomeini's death anniversary on June 3rd has sparked a fierce debate among the Hazara intellectuals all over the world. Social media sites such as Facebook has seen a flurry of activity among Hazaras after the posting of images for and against the anniversary commemorations in Kabul, Afghanistan."

Hazara.net

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