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Who will free Pakistan’s Shias from the Iranian-agenda scholars?

In a previous article, Marya Mushtaq has highlighted how some Shia leaders in certain ethnic parties (e.g., Abdul Khaliq Hazara) are trying very hard to misrepresent Shia killings by the Saudi-funded, ISI-sponsored LeJ-SSP-Taliban terrorists in Pakistan by giving them an ethic colour to deflect the attention from the real killers.

In this article, we will highlight how some politically active Shia ulama (religious scholars) are equally complicit in the crime of deflecting Shia Muslims’ attention from the real killers, i.e., by deflecting the attention to Israel, India, USA etc instead of boldly naming and condemning the Saudi-funded, ISI-sponsored LeJ-SSP-Taliban militants.

Let’s start with a brief historical context of Shia activism in Pakistan in the aftermath of the Iranian revolution.

After the 1979 Islamic revolution in Iran led by Grand Ayatollah Khomeini, some Pakistani Shia religious scholars misled the Iranian Ayatollahs and the Iranian government by ensuring them that a pro-Iran (or pro-Shia) Islamic revolution in Pakistan was not very far. The formation of the Tehrik-e-Nafaz-e-Fiqah-e-Jafaria (TNFJ) in Pakistan in 1979 was a good move to confront the enforcement of controversial Wahhabi-Deobandi laws and discrimination against Shia Muslims and other oppressed groups by Geneal Zia-ul-Haq. However, TNFJ then took a path which was rather injurious to Pakistan’s Shia community.

In the subsequent years, TNFJ (later renamed as TJP) became tightly aligned with Iran’s ruling clergy, its controversial notion of the Vilayat-e-Faqih (the political authority of an Ayatollah) and Iranian government’s foreign policy goals, and in that process sacrificed the very interests of Pakistan’s Shia community. (Pakistan’s military establishment was able to create an off-shoot of TNFJ in 1984 under the leadership of Agha Hamid Moosvi, however, the influence of this GHQ-version of TNFJ remained limited to one or two cities.)

Despite their low numbers (Shia Muslims constitute 10 to 20 per cent of Pakistan’s population), some Iranian influenced Shia ulama in TNFJ (later TJP) kept dreaming of bringing about a pro-Shia Islamic revolution in Pakistan in support of Iran’s revolution.

A pro-Shia revolution in Pakistan was never a possibility; the entire idea reflected an immature mindset which had little understanding of the demographics and religio-political situation in Pakistan. While the notion of an Islamic revolution was apparently intended to promote Iran’s or Shias’ interest in Pakistan and the region, the actual effect was completely opposite.

Pakistan’s military establishment, ISI in particular, wanted to teach Shias a lesson particularly due to their opposition to General Zia-ul-Haq’s Islamization (or Wahhbization) agenda. Saudi Arabia too was anxious about the prospects of a growing Iranian influence in Pakistan particularly in view of increasingly aggressive public postures of the TNFJ.

The so called Jihad (1980-1988) against the Soviet-backed regime in Afghanistan provided Saudi Arabia and its radical Wahhabi and Deobandi affiliates in Pakistan army with an excellent opportunity to nurture, train and produce Jihadis who were not only useful as cheap mercenaries in Afghanistan (and India) but were also vehemently anti-Shia and anti-Iran. The demographics as well as the extent of financial and institutional support were in favour of anti-Shia Deobandis and Wahhabis, who were recruited, trained and brainwashed for an external Jihad in Afghanistan and Kashmir and an internal Jihad against Shias and other oppressed groups in Pakistan.

If Pakistan’s Shia ulama had any better sense of the entire situation, they would have dissociated themselves from an Iranian agenda and, instead of wasting their energies on an impossible pro-Shia Islamic revolution, would have struggled for a democratic, progressive Pakistan, separating religion from the state. Contrary to what some Sunni and Shia mullahs dishonestly claim, secularism is not equal to la-deeniat (faithlessness), it rather indicates that faith is each individual’s private matter which is of no concern to a state. This is exactly what the founder of Pakistan, Muhammad Ali Jinnah, himself a Shia Muslim, stated as his vision of Pakistan in his speech to Pakistan’s first Legislature Assembly on 11 August 1947.

For example, Shia ulama could have engaged with other progressive parties and groups (e.g., centre left PPP and ANP, centre right PML, liberal MQM, JWP, moderate Barelvi organizations etc) in creative, pragmatic and constructive ways to ensure equality and protection of Shia Muslims and other oppressed groups (Barelvis, Ahmadis, Christians etc) in Pakistan. They could have dissociated from all such organizations (e.g., MMA, AMTKN, JI, JUI etc) which were involved in Jihadi-sectarian activities or spreading hate speech against other religions and sects, e.g., anti-Ahmadi, anti-Christian, anti-Jew, anti-Hindu organisations, and also those organizations which were creating xenophobia against the USA, UK etc because of their specific pro-Taliban, pro-Al Qaeda agenda. (Of course, it is legitimate to criticize USA’s unjust policies towards Pakistan, Iran, Bahrain, Palestine etc, however, that does not mean that Shia Muslims should share platform with the pro-Taliban, pro-Sipah-e-Sahaba leaders to reinforce hate speech against Jews, Christians, Hindus or India, USA etc.)

Instead of supporting the JI, JUI and other anti-Shia parties, Shia ulama could have developed close links and reciprocal support mechanisms with other oppressed communities of Pakistan, e.g., Balochs, anti-Taliban Pashtuns, Barelvis, moderate Deobandis and Wahhabis, Ahmadis, Christians etc in order to develop a broad based alliance against an ISI-sponsored Jihadi-sectarian Wahhabi-Deobandi network. However, they never chose this pathway because it did not match with the dictations of their Iranian mentors and financiers.

The Shia ulama’s dream of a pro-Iran Islamic revolution through a superficial alliance with the ISI-sponsored radical Deoabndi groups (JI, JUI etc) was not only childish but also counter-productive. Shia ulama conveniently ignored the fact that the Sipah-e-Sahaba was an off-shoot of the JUI and that many SSP-LeJ activists were also a simultaneous part of the Jamaat-e-Islami and other radical groups.

In this entire process (pursuit of an imaginary Islamic revolution in Pakistan), Shia Muslims of Pakistan were and are still exposed to unnecessary threat in promoting Iranian foreign policy agenda. While urban elite Shias (a tiny minority) remain unharmed because of their class and tight alignment with Pakistan’s military establishment, the vast majority of poor, disadvantaged Shia Muslims in Pakistani cities, towns and villages, imambagahs and mosques, offices and streets remain victims of frequent suicide attacks and target killing by the Saudi-funded, ISI-sponsored LeJ-SSP-Taliban terrorists. Same groups of terrorists who are attacking Shia Muslims in Pakistan also attack Western individuals and institutions not only in Pakistan but also in Afghanistan.

There are plenty of examples not only in Pakistan but also in other countries, e.g., Afghanistan, Egypt and Palestine, which show that Iranian regime has been using Shia Muslims as a consumable item or canon fodder to promote its specific foreign policy agendas, with little consideration to the immediate interests of local Shia community in the respective country.

For example, some Shia ulama of Pakistan blindly follow Iran’s foreign policy by supporting the Hamas in Palestine, Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and Jamaat-e-Islami in Pakistan, completely ignoring the fact that the Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood and JI are pro-Saudi, anti-Shia organizations, which have brutally oppressed Shia Muslims and attacked Muharram gatherings on various occasions.

Jmaat-e-Islami’s students attack Shia Muslims in Lahore

On 22 December 2011, extremist Deobandi-Wahhabi affiliates of Jamaat-e-Islami’s student wing Islami Jamiat-e-Talaba (IJT) attacked Shia students of the Punjab University with bamboo sticks and stones and opened the indiscriminate firing to sabotage a program of Youm-e-Hussain (as) to mark the sacrifice of grandson of the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) Hazarat Imam Hussain (as) and his companions in Karbala. At least thirteen Shia students were critically injured in the firing and attack by the IJT militants who were supported by the Sipah-e-Sahaba students. (Source)

Also read the following article in which Abbas Ather hints towards the fact that several of the Sipah-e-Sahaba (Lashkar-e-Jhangvi) terrorists were previously a part of the Jamaat-e-Islami. http://criticalppp.com/archives/299

In the meanwhile, Iranian-influenced Shia ulama of Pakistan keep praising Hamas: (Source)

Shia Muslims of Pakistan must realize that the Iranian government has its own geo-strategic alliances and enmities, Pakistani Shias cannot afford to blindly follow the Iranian foreign policy at the cost of their own existence.

Also, it is a fact that in matters of faith (Taqleed, i.e., religious followership), as many Pakistani Shias are aligned with Iraq’s Najaf Seminary as are with Iran’s Qom Seminary. In other words, Iran is not the sole proprietor of Shia community or jurisprudence. Of course Shia Muslims are free to follow any leading Ayatollah (Marja) for the purpose of Taqleed whether he is from Iran, Iraq or any other country, however, the institution of Taqleed must not be confused with the controversial institution of Vilayat-e-Faqih. In other words, Pakistan’s Shias need to think independently in terms of their political direction and priorities. They need to liberate themselves from the vilayat-e-faqih and the Iranian-agenda ulama who routinely hide the fact that the Saudi-funded, ISI-sponsored LeJ-SSP-Taliban terrorists are killing Shias in Pakistan. Instead, Pakistan’s Shia Muslims should think about securing their specific interests within the context of Pakistan with an independent and critical mind.

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Thank you for such an informative post.

"While urban elite Shias (a tiny minority) remain unharmed because of their class and tight alignment with Pakistan’s military establishment,"

100% agreed, as I belong to it, and unfortunately they are least bothered about the targeted killing of poor, lower middle class shia community; not to mention the educated middle-class shia, which are also being killed systematically. The intent seems to wipe out both the minds and hearts of shia community.

And the protected ones stay least bothered.

But I never thought that it was the direct result of wrong approach of TJP, I never even heard much about them among the elders of my family; so I do not know whether it's influence is injurious just for the weaker ones---as they are already at disadvantageous position, or ultimately it would instigate the programmed prosecution of entire Shia community----strong and weak alike.

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In all honesty it shows the lack of vision and leadership of the Shia leaders of Pakistan. Shia community in Pakistan is not dependent on funds from Iran in fact big sum of money goes from our way to theirs in the form of khums and other charity. So there is no compulsion to blindly follow Iran's foreign policy objectives.

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All this time Iran has been dictating you to keep alliagnce with moderate Sunnis. Which Shia is following that request of Imam khamenei. Problem is not with Iran, we ourselves have lost faith.

I am too against some of their policies but they are good inside their country alone. We have brains to think. If you want to blame someone than blame your molvis not Iran, who followed Iran blindly. Are they only there to eat and deficate.

I am very proud of Iranian leadership but I am too much embarrassed about leaders and molviz.

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Its no secret that the policies and position of IR affects shia communities worldwide in varying degrees. However, its not only absurd but pointless to blame Iran because at the end of the day it will not solve anything. We live in chaotic times where drug dealers, hoodlums and bandits have taken over the commanding heights of those societies in our region and are calling the shots. I believe a more effective approach would be to weaken those fanatics by appealing to the good men (who are in majority) among them and also not give reasons for those fanatics to go on their killing sprees such as processions like Jerusalem day or other Iranian funded activities that run contrary to their communal interests.

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No one gave a response to the bit which indicated that Iran is helping Hamas, muslim brother hood etc and supporting them, while those groups are killing shias. Why would you think Iran would do that?

2nd question: why wouldn't it instead help the shia communities outside iran?

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The article is pretty stupid. Iran denying the fact that the Taliban are killing innocent Shiites? Since when has Iran denied this?

IMHO I think what is really going on is Iran is refusing to talk about the Taliban situation at all only because these Taliban lunatics will probably go crazy

and create more severe situations then the already existing tensions. The Taliban would love for Iran to criticize it out loud and in the open air so it can use it as a vehicle to instigate retaliation against both the Shiite of Pakistan, Afghanistan, and even Iran.

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Pakistani maulvis bought into the idea of a exporting the Iranian revolution model to Pakistan and it's backfired big-time. Different countries have different cultures and situations, what works in X may be a disaster in Y and what Pakistan needed was NOT what Iran got.

I still hear the same rubbish spouted from pulpits way too often in IndoPak circlest from maulvis who studied in Iran; "it's the US and Israel", "We have to believe in WeF", "Khamenai is our leader blah blah blah". The agenda in their hawzas is noticeably political.

ALI

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I still hear the same rubbish spouted from pulpits way too often in IndoPak circlest from maulvis who studied in Iran; "it's the US and Israel"

ALI

You're so right! When will people finally understand, that its not the US and Israel, but rather, Uganda and Burkina Faso which is the real enemy of Shias?

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You're so right! When will people finally understand, that its not the US and Israel, but rather, Uganda and Burkina Faso which is the real enemy of Shias?

<sigh> So the Israelis are funding sunni terrorist killers in Pakistan? If you have proof of that please do enlighten us.

ALI

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They are right about one thing though- it is US and/or Israel.

The root of current fanaticism lays in wholesale export of anti-Israeli ikhwani fanatic youth from borders of Israel to our region by the US.

What are you smoking brother. Where are you from by the way.

It is ideological warfare from Saudis with financial backing but our molvis are unable or ineligible to fight this war because they have not enough logics and reasons to fight that war because they are indulge in money business, which have made them to just eat and drink and deficate and take dictations from Iran.

So final result is, all of this [Edited Out] of molvis are falling on innocent civilians.

Before any one else spark up I can assure you that I have every proof of what I have said.

Edited by fightingsoul001

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<sigh> So the Israelis are funding sunni terrorist killers in Pakistan? If you have proof of that please do enlighten us.

ALI

http://www.presstv.ir/usdetail/221078.html

CIA memos claim Mossad agents recruited Jundallah terrorists

Buried deep in the archives of America's intelligence services are a series of memos, written during the last years of President George W. Bush's administration, that describe how Israeli Mossad officers recruited operatives belonging to the terrorist group Jundallah by passing themselves off as American agents.

According to two U.S. intelligence officials, the Israelis, flush with American dollars and toting U.S. passports, posed as CIA officers in recruiting Jundallah operatives -- what is commonly referred to as a "false flag" operation. Foreign Policy

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The article is pretty stupid. Iran denying the fact that the Taliban are killing innocent Shiites? Since when has Iran denied this?

IMHO I think what is really going on is Iran is refusing to talk about the Taliban situation at all only because these Taliban lunatics will probably go crazy and create more severe situations then the already existing tensions. The Taliban would love for Iran to criticize it out loud and in the open air so it can use it as a vehicle to instigate retaliation against both the Shiite of Pakistan, Afghanistan, and even Iran.

You need to take off your Iran-tinted glasses occasionally. SSP/LeJ/Taliban terrorist haramzadas of Pakistan and Afghanistan are killing and bombing Shi'ah every opportunity they get - exactly what other retaliation are you talking about?

Along with their bee on Shi'ah aquaid they whip their dogs into a frenzy by telling them Pakistani Shi'ah are traitors who are aligned to Iran and have no allegiance to Pakistan - and can you blame them?

The way we feel when sunnis march around with pictures of Osama Bin Laden is the same way they feel when they see Shi'ah in Pakistan carrying placards of Iranian leaders.

Anti-Shi'ah sentiment escalated significantly since the revolution, now the killing ground for Saudi vs Iran proxy war is Pakistan.

ALI

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To think that Saudis could formulate policies independent of US and US independent of Israel, or to assume that Salafis are blowing up innocent Shias because the Shia 'molvis' have no logic or reason and are eating and sleeping is to have missed the entire point. Dont look at where the finger is pointing, look who is pointing it.

Roots may be found there but first of all deal with the problems that you are facing.

I don't know why can't you understand a very simple fact that these issues can be tackled by leaders very easily if they become a little less selfish. Religious leaders in past used to travel by foot to spread message of Islam. Can't they do something for misunderstanding by travelling in their valuable cars and jeeps which they have got through public money. If they even kill them, is it not much better than killing thousands of your professionals and civilians.

What are they themselves doing when they only propagate Iranian agandas to us, which we can read ourselves from books.

As far as US is concerned we can't even handle salafis for time being how will Shia handle them. Let this matter to be settled by countries for time being, it is not our issue as we are not in power in Pakistan now.

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Not really as that's about Jundullah not SSP/LeJ/Pak Taliban and secondly if it happened then it's an incident, not systemic.

The day the so called leadership of Shi'ah stop acting out foreign policy for Iran and actually start calling the local Sunni terrorists what they are will be the beginning of a change.

ALI

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You need to take off your Iran-tinted glasses occasionally. SSP/LeJ/Taliban terrorist haramzadas of Pakistan and Afghanistan are killing and bombing Shi'ah every opportunity they get - exactly what other retaliation are you talking about?

Along with their bee on Shi'ah aquaid they whip their dogs into a frenzy by telling them Pakistani Shi'ah are traitors who are aligned to Iran and have no allegiance to Pakistan - and can you blame them?

The way we feel when sunnis march around with pictures of Osama Bin Laden is the same way they feel when they see Shi'ah in Pakistan carrying placards of Iranian leaders.

Anti-Shi'ah sentiment escalated significantly since the revolution, now the killing ground for Saudi vs Iran proxy war is Pakistan.

ALI

If this is the type of mentality the Shiites of Pakistan have. Then I'm not surprised why they're getting the [Edited Out] kicked out of them.

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If this is the type of mentality the Shiites of Pakistan have. Then I'm not surprised why they're getting the [Edited Out] kicked out of them.

Situation in Pakistan is a lot different than Iran can ever have. So exact copy of Iran's policies can not work in Pakistan.

I am sure he is not against Iran in Particular.

But he is wrong in one assumption that Sunnis of Pakistan don't love Iranian revolution. Most of my Sunni friends very proudly give examples of Iranian revolution and Imam Khomeini and Khamenei.

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If this is the type of mentality the Shiites of Pakistan have. Then I'm not surprised why they're getting the [Edited Out] kicked out of them.

Right, thanks for this valuable insight.

Situation in Pakistan is a lot different than Iran can ever have. So exact copy of Iran's policies can not work in Pakistan.

I am sure he is not against Iran in Particular.

But he is wrong in one assumption that Sunnis of Pakistan don't love Iranian revolution. Most of my Sunni friends very proudly give examples of Iranian revolution and Imam Khomeini and Khamenei.

Yes, decent sunnis are fine with it but I was referring to the hardcore terrorist sect who use it as another reason to kill Shi'ah.

ALI

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If this is the type of mentality the Shiites of Pakistan have. Then I'm not surprised why they're getting the [Edited Out] kicked out of them.

And do you know what? They won't talk sense! For example, one member recently asked in a sarcastic manner whether Israel supports terrorists who kill Shia -- and when I gave him a link:

First, he said its PressTV ( The Iranian source, so he won't believe it)

Secondly when someone posted the American source (he will believe the American source fine, no problem, his problem is with Iranian sources), he said its just an isolated incident, and that Israel is all fine and dandy and not an enemy of the Shia. So its heads he wins, tails I lose.

When people won't use true facts to form their view of the world, what can you expect of them as a nation? Whether its Taliban or fanatically anti-Iran shia?

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Situation in Pakistan is a lot different than Iran can ever have. So exact copy of Iran's policies can not work in Pakistan.

I am sure he is not against Iran in Particular.

But he is wrong in one assumption that Sunnis of Pakistan don't love Iranian revolution. Most of my Sunni friends very proudly give examples of Iranian revolution and Imam Khomeini and Khamenei.

This is a valid point. Ahle Sunna have high regard for the Iranian revolution and its leaders as well as for Hezbollah, whom they have gradually becoming familiar with. Slowly with time, they shall become familiar with the Fiqh Jafaria.

Things take time.

The conditions in pakistan are different and what works in Iran may not work in Pakistan.

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Situation in Pakistan is a lot different than Iran can ever have. So exact copy of Iran's policies can not work in Pakistan.

I am sure he is not against Iran in Particular.

But he is wrong in one assumption that Sunnis of Pakistan don't love Iranian revolution. Most of my Sunni friends very proudly give examples of Iranian revolution and Imam Khomeini and Khamenei.

Yes I agree. There were some strange users on the thread that suggested either military intervention by Iran or some kind of unusual Shiite Pakistani military uprising. Any one of these tactics would be suicidal. The best thing Shiites of Pakistan can do is collaborate and strengthen their relationship with the majority Pakistani Sufi Sunni Muslims. These guys have religious beliefs and culture that conflict night and day with the Taliban/Wahabi/Al-Qaida scum. I think about a month or two ago a user posted a link of moderate Sunni Pakistanis protesting Zakir Naik which is a sign of hope.

Iran usually will send aid in the form of food, clothes etc. Non-violent forms of aid.

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And do you know what? They won't talk sense! For example, one member recently asked in a sarcastic manner whether Israel supports terrorists who kill Shia -- and when I gave him a link:

First, he said its PressTV ( The Iranian source, so he won't believe it)

Secondly when someone posted the American source (he will believe the American source fine, no problem, his problem is with Iranian sources), he said its just an isolated incident, and that Israel is all fine and dandy and not an enemy of the Shia. So its heads he wins, tails I lose.

When people won't use true facts to form their view of the world, what can you expect of them as a nation? Whether its Taliban or fanatically anti-Iran shia?

Firstly I have no problem with you naming me, unlike some people I don't need to hide. The link you gave and the other person is about the same incident, I don't out much stock in either link but I would expect Iranian 'sources' to be less credible than someone closer to the source especially at these tense times.

Regardless though that story is linked to a single incident, NOT systemic support. Also it's about Jundullah and not LeJ/SSP/Taliban, the main Sunni terrorist outfits in Pakistan.

I don't dislike or have any personal grudge with Iran or Iranians, my beef is with WeF but that's e Govt, not the people or land per se.

When Khomeini wanted to export the revolution he shrewdly latched on to the Israel/Palestine issue as a way of winning over non-Shiah Arab Sunnis. This same zeal was transferred to Shiah clerics in Pakistan and they switched the focus from traditional bogeyman India to Israel. Sad thing is their strange alliances with unsuitable bedfellows has led to a FAR worse situation for Shiah of Pakistan than 30 years back - the problems within a country are usually solved within it, not by naive alignment with a foreign force.

If you people don't read books on recent history or politics that's not my fault.

ALI

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^^^

Brother, I don't doubt the US have their hands in many things but without solid evidence it ends up becoming nothing more than a generic slogan that leaves most people on the ground feeling helpless to change anything.

Crude example; someone steals from your garden, another person tells you it was xyz individual you might be inclined to do something. However, you get told it was xyz however he's backed by a powerful group who in turn are backed by a massive power - in this sitation you might end up either feeling scared, helpless or similar.

In Pakistan the Shi'ah leadership have real difficulty calling a spade a spade in order to not offend anyone (the unity line) but the enemies hava no such qualms! Definitely alignment with a foreign power (albeit only on co-religionist) grounds has done the Shi'ah no favour; ironically the Nasibis are also similarly aligned to Saudi et al but they almost never mention it (in public at least).

Although totally agree with you about Pakistan at a govt/ISI level; evil, corrupt and a complete sell-out to foreign policy of others.

Maula help and protect the Shi'ah of Pakistan.

ALI

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