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Salaam

Ok i have an important question please dont ask me why or who but i would like to know if a muslim guy does mutah with a christian who embraced islam before the mutah process, can he do another mutah with a christian while still in mutah with the first and if yes under what conditions ???

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That is an excellent question, too bad I am not able to answer it right now.

My guess would be though that you are allowed unlimited mutahs for your lifetime.

sounds too good bro :lol: and of course the reason for second mutah is not for the like of it but for the need since lust is everywhere here in the west and not everyone is strong when it comes to sexual urges

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so are you asking about how many muttahs you can do in a lifetime or at once. you want to know if temporary marriage polygamy is allowed?

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so are you asking about how many muttahs you can do in a lifetime or at once. you want to know if temporary marriage polygamy is allowed?

i want to know how many mutahs i can do at a time for example if im in 1 already can i do another one and do i have to tell the first that im doing mutah ?

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well ploygamy in permanent marriage is allowed, but not too sure for temporary.

but still, isnt one enough for you.

like seriously bro, im guessing their white and their christian, so it wont go down well with them that ur having relations with both at the same time.

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Yes you can, but you should check with your marjaa' as far as rules for telling the first wife. According to Sayyid Fadlallah(ra), and possibly other marjaa', if the first wife is muslima and the second wife is Ahl Al Kitab (Christian or Jewish), you have to get the permission of the first wife to marry another, non muslim, Ahl Al Kitab Lady. Some marjaa' say this is required while others say it is ihtiyyat(staying on the safe side), while others don't mention this rule. So you should check. Also, it is a good idea to ask the wife to get tested for pregnancy and STD and you should also get tested(for STDs) before marriage. Since mutah is a religious but not civil marriage, most governments don't require this but it is a good idea anyway. I hope you don't take that the wrong way and it is not an insult, just some practical common sense that should be practiced considering the environment that we all live in.

Mutah is one tool, and a good tool, that Allah(s.w.a) has given us to help us to overcome our lusts. There are also others such as casting down our glance, mustahab fasting, duaa, and Salat Al Layl (midnight prayer) and giving sadaqat(charity) and trying to empathize with the plight of our fellow muslim brothers and sisters and keeping a distance between ourselves and the ephemeral pleasures of this world. We should utilize every tool that Allah(s.w.a) has given us in order to be sucessful.

Salam.

P.S., if certain people here ask probing questions regarding your life and relationships, do me a favor and don't answer them. :shifty:

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Yes you can, but you should check with your marjaa' as far as rules for telling the first wife. According to Sayyid Fadlallah(ra), and possibly other marjaa', if the first wife is muslima and the second wife is Ahl Al Kitab (Christian or Jewish), you have to get the permission of the first wife to marry another, non muslim, Ahl Al Kitab Lady. Some marjaa' say this is required while others say it is ihtiyyat(staying on the safe side), while others don't mention this rule. So you should check. Also, it is a good idea to ask the wife to get tested for pregnancy and STD and you should also get tested(for STDs) before marriage. Since mutah is a religious but not civil marriage, most governments don't require this but it is a good idea anyway. I hope you don't take that the wrong way and it is not an insult, just some practical common sense that should be practiced considering the environment that we all live in.

Mutah is one tool, and a good tool, that Allah(s.w.a) has given us to help us to overcome our lusts. There are also others such as casting down our glance, mustahab fasting, duaa, and Salat Al Layl (midnight prayer) and giving sadaqat(charity) and trying to empathize with the plight of our fellow muslim brothers and sisters and keeping a distance between ourselves and the ephemeral pleasures of this world. We should utilize every tool that Allah(s.w.a) has given us in order to be sucessful.

Salam.

P.S., if certain people here ask probing questions regarding your life and relationships, do me a favor and don't answer them. :shifty:

salaam

i appreciate your time and your help

and alhamdulillah i take care of my self since we do live in a world were theres so much deseases, thank you by the way

yea i was asking because some tell me that if im married to a muslim wife i have to ask permission to marry a wife frm the ahl al kitab.....but some say you dnt, im really confuse bro i dont wanna engage in some kind of sin just because of the different rulings.

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Mutah is one tool, and a good tool, that Allah(s.w.a) has given us to help us to overcome our lusts. There are also others such as casting down our glance, mustahab fasting, duaa, and Salat Al Layl (midnight prayer) and giving sadaqat(charity) and trying to empathize with the plight of our fellow muslim brothers and sisters and keeping a distance between ourselves and the ephemeral pleasures of this world. We should utilize every tool that Allah(s.w.a) has given us in order to be sucessful.

It's also something that is highly mustahab in itself, and is not simply a tool for overcoming our lusts.

[ 26400 ] 13 Ü æÈÇáÇÓäÇÏ Úä ÃÍãÏ Èä ãÍãÏ ¡ Úä ÇÈä ÃÔíã ¡ Úä ãÑæÇä Èä ãÓáã ¡ Úä ÅÓãÇÚíá Èä ÇáÝÖá ÇáåÇÔãí ÞÇá : ÞÇá áí ÃÈæ ÚÈÏÇááå ( Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã ) : ÊãÊÚÊ ãäÐ ÎÑÌÊ ãä Ãåáß ¿ ÞáÊ : áßËÑÉ ãÇ ãÚí ãä ÇáØÑæÞÉ ÃÛäÇäí Çááå ÚäåÇ ¡ ÞÇá : æÅä ßäÊ ãÓÊÛäíÇ ÝÅäí ÇÍÈ Ãä ÊÍíí ÓäÉ ÑÓæá Çááå ( Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå ) .

13 – And by the isnad from Ahmad b. Muhammad from Ibn Ashyam from Marwan b. Muslim from Isma`il b. al-Fadl al-Hashimi. He said: Abu `Abdillah Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã said to me: Have you done mut`a since you have gone out from your family? I said: Due to the abundance of what is with me of wives, Allah has made me needless of it. He said: And even if you are needless, for verily I love that you should revive the Sunna of the Messenger of Allah Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå.

http://www.tashayyu..../muta/chapter-2

As for the question about whether the brother can marry a kitabi woman when already married to a Muslim woman, there are ahadith that say you can, and some that say you can't. The latter could be taken to mean it is disliked. If you do taqleed, then follow whatever your marja says.

My opinion (which admittedly isn't worth much) is that it's something that that you should avoid if you can, but it is very unlikely to be a sin if you are really in need of it.

[ 26466 ] 2 Ü æÚäå ¡ Úä ÇáÍÓä Èä Úáí Èä ÝÖÇá ¡ Úä ÈÚÖ ÃÕÍÇÈäÇ ¡ Úä ÃÈí ÚÈÏÇááå ( Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã ) ÞÇá : áÇ ÈÃÓ Ãä íÊãÊÚ ÇáÑÌá ÈÇáíåæÏíÉ æÇáäÕÑÇäíÉ æÚäÏå ÍÑÉ .

2 – And from him from al-Hasan b. `Ali b. Faddal from one of our companions from Abu `Abdillah Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã. He said: There is no harm with the man doing mut`a with the Jewish woman and the Christian woman while there is a freewoman with him.

[ 26467 ] 3 Ü æÚäå ¡ Úä ãÍãÏ Èä ÓäÇä ¡ Úä ÃÈÇä Èä ÚËãÇä ¡ Úä ÒÑÇÑÉ ÞÇá : ÓãÚÊå íÞæá : áÇ ÈÃÓ Ãä íÊÒæÌ ÇáíåæÏíÉ æÇáäÕÑÇäíÉ ãÊÚÉ æÚäÏå ÇãÑÃÉ .

3 – And from him from Muhammad b. Sinan from Aban b. `Uthman from Zurara. He said: I heard him saying: There is no harm that one marries the Jewish woman and the Christian woman in mut`a while there is a wife with him.

[ 26471 ] 7 Ü ãÍãøÏ Èä Úáíø Èä ÇáÍÓíä ÈÅÓäÇÏå Úä ÓÚÏÇä ¡ Úä ÃÈí ÈÕíÑ ¡ Úä ÃÈí ÚÈÏÇááå ( Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã ) ÞÇá : áÇ ÊÒæÌæÇ ÇáíåæÏíÉ æáÇ ÇáäÕÑÇäíÉ Úáì ÍÑÉ ãÊÚÉ æÛíÑ ãÊÚÉ .

7 – Muhammad b. `Ali b. al-Husayn by his isnad from Sa`dan from Abu Basir from Abu `Abdillah Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã. He said: Do not marry the Jewish woman nor the Christian woman upon a free woman in mut`a or in other than mut`a.

ÃÞæá : æÊÞÏã ãÇ íÏá Úáì Ðáß ¡ æÊÞÏã ãÇ ÙÇåÑå ÇáãäÇÝÇÉ æÃäå ãÍãæá Úáì ÛíÑ ÇáãÊÚÉ æÇáÇÎÑ íÍÊãá ÇáßÑÇåÉ .

I say: And there has preceded what indicates that, and there has preceded that whose apparent (meaning) is contrary (i.e. that marriage to a Kitabi woman is haram), and that is interpreted to mean in other than mut`a. And the last one is interpreted to mean dislike.

http://www.tashayyu....muta/chapter-13

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salaam

i appreciate your time and your help

and alhamdulillah i take care of my self since we do live in a world were theres so much deseases, thank you by the way

yea i was asking because some tell me that if im married to a muslim wife i have to ask permission to marry a wife frm the ahl al kitab.....but some say you dnt, im really confuse bro i dont wanna engage in some kind of sin just because of the different rulings.

Which marjaa' do you follow ? You should check with the website or email the office.

Sayyid Sistani(ha)

sistani.org or najaf.org

Imam Khameni(ha)

leader.ir

Sayyid Fadlallah(ra)

www.bayynat.org

others. If you cant find, let me know. Salam.

It's also something that is highly mustahab in itself, and is not simply a tool for overcoming our lusts.

[ 26400 ] 13 ـ وبالاسناد عن أحمد بن محمد ، عن ابن أشيم ، عن مروان بن مسلم ، عن إسماعيل بن الفضل الهاشمي قال : قال لي أبو عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) : تمتعت منذ خرجت من أهلك ؟ قلت : لكثرة ما معي من الطروقة أغناني الله عنها ، قال : وإن كنت مستغنيا فإني احب أن تحيي سنة رسول الله ( صلى الله عليه وآله ) .

13 – And by the isnad from Ahmad b. Muhammad from Ibn Ashyam from Marwan b. Muslim from Isma`il b. al-Fadl al-Hashimi. He said: Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام said to me: Have you done mut`a since you have gone out from your family? I said: Due to the abundance of what is with me of wives, Allah has made me needless of it. He said: And even if you are needless, for verily I love that you should revive the Sunna of the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله.

http://www.tashayyu..../muta/chapter-2

As for the question about whether the brother can marry a kitabi woman when already married to a Muslim woman, there are ahadith that say you can, and some that say you can't. The latter could be taken to mean it is disliked. If you do taqleed, then follow whatever your marja says.

My opinion (which admittedly isn't worth much) is that it's something that that you should avoid if you can, but it is very unlikely to be a sin if you are really in need of it.

[ 26466 ] 2 ـ وعنه ، عن الحسن بن علي بن فضال ، عن بعض أصحابنا ، عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) قال : لا بأس أن يتمتع الرجل باليهودية والنصرانية وعنده حرة .

2 – And from him from al-Hasan b. `Ali b. Faddal from one of our companions from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام. He said: There is no harm with the man doing mut`a with the Jewish woman and the Christian woman while there is a freewoman with him.

[ 26467 ] 3 ـ وعنه ، عن محمد بن سنان ، عن أبان بن عثمان ، عن زرارة قال : سمعته يقول : لا بأس أن يتزوج اليهودية والنصرانية متعة وعنده امرأة .

3 – And from him from Muhammad b. Sinan from Aban b. `Uthman from Zurara. He said: I heard him saying: There is no harm that one marries the Jewish woman and the Christian woman in mut`a while there is a wife with him.

[ 26471 ] 7 ـ محمّد بن عليّ بن الحسين بإسناده عن سعدان ، عن أبي بصير ، عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) قال : لا تزوجوا اليهودية ولا النصرانية على حرة متعة وغير متعة .

7 – Muhammad b. `Ali b. al-Husayn by his isnad from Sa`dan from Abu Basir from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام. He said: Do not marry the Jewish woman nor the Christian woman upon a free woman in mut`a or in other than mut`a.

أقول : وتقدم ما يدل على ذلك ، وتقدم ما ظاهره المنافاة وأنه محمول على غير المتعة والاخر يحتمل الكراهة .

I say: And there has preceded what indicates that, and there has preceded that whose apparent (meaning) is contrary (i.e. that marriage to a Kitabi woman is haram), and that is interpreted to mean in other than mut`a. And the last one is interpreted to mean dislike.

http://www.tashayyu....muta/chapter-13

Imam Khameni(ha) says mustahab in itself. He only has one wife, btw, so obviously not a blanket mustahab

Most say mubah(permissable) only including Sayyid Fadlallah(ra) and Sayyid Sistani(ha)

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Imam Khameni(ha) says mustahab in itself. He only has one wife, btw, so obviously not a blanket mustahab

Most say mubah(permissable) only including Sayyid Fadlallah(ra) and Sayyid Sistani(ha)

Sayyid Khamenei having only one wife says nothing about how mustahab he considers muta to be. For all you know, he may well have done muta before being married, or even while married. And even if he hasn't, nobody is forced to do something just because it is mustahab (although it seems to me that to be on the safe side, every man should try to do it at least once in their lifetime).

I'm not sure how any usooli could possible dispute muta being mustahab in itself given that there are numerous narrations stating such, and the gradings (which I'm sure are fine anyway) aren't even important, since as I understand it you don't need a hadith to have a strong chain in order to act on it for mustahab actions (by usooli standards). I would be very interested in knowing how Sayyid Sistani arrives at the conclusion that muta is simply mubah.

You can bet if this was something less socially controversial, not a single person would be disputing how mustahab muta is, given the number of narrations, and the type of rewards promised to those who do muta.

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It's a complicated subject, b/c while all marjaa' that I know of say marriage itself is highly mustahab. If mutah is the only form of marriage that is available to someone, then in that case it would be highly mustahab. If both permenant (zawajtul nikah) and mutah were available, then it would depend highly on the individuals circumstances and the marjaa' are not there to micromanage someone's life. That might be why they say mubah, but i'm not sure. Also, as you know, each marjaa' has their own rijal (narrators of hadith that they consider reliable). That could be another reason.

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It's a complicated subject, b/c while all marjaa' that I know of say marriage itself is highly mustahab. If mutah is the only form of marriage that is available to someone, then in that case it would be highly mustahab. If both permenant (zawajtul nikah) and mutah were available, then it would depend highly on the individuals circumstances and the marjaa' are not there to micromanage someone's life. That might be why they say mubah, but i'm not sure.

I don't see what is so complicated to be honest. The narrations are very clear and explicit.

Every man should do it at least once in his life:

1 – Muhammad b. `Ali b. a-Husayn by his isnad from Bakr b. Muhammad from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام. He said: I asked him about mut`a. So he said: Verily I dislike that the Muslim man should leave the world and there remains upon him a habit from the habits of the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله which he has not carried out.

2 – As-Saduq said: As-Sadiq عليه السلام said: Verily I dislike that the man should die and there remain upon him a habit from the habits of the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله which he has not carried out. So I said: So did the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله do mut`a? He said: Yes, and he recited this verse “And when the Prophet disclosed a matter to one of his wives” – until His saying – “previously married and virgins.” (66:3-5)

5 – He said: And it is narrated that the believer is not perfected (or, completed) until he does mut`a.

7 – Muhammad b. al-Hasan in al-Misbah from Ibn Abi `Umayr from Hisham from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام. He said: Verily I love that the man should not leave the world until he does mut`a even if once, and that he prays the jum`a in jama`a.

10 – Muhammad b. Muhammad b. an-Nu`man in Risalat al-Mut`a from Ja`far b. Muhammad b. Qulawayh from Sa`d b. `Abdullah from Ahmad b. Muhammad b. `Isa from Hisham b. Salim from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام. He said: It is recommended for the man to marry in mut`a, and I do not love that the man from you should leave the world until he marries in mut`a even once.

11 – And by the isnad from Ibn `Isa from Ibn al-Hajjaj from al-`Ala from Muhammad b. Muslim from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام. He said: He said to me: Have you done mut`a? I said: No. He said: Do not leave the world until you have revived the Sunna.

It is recommended to do even if needless of it (although not obligatory of course):

13 – And by the isnad from Ahmad b. Muhammad from Ibn Ashyam from Marwan b. Muslim from Isma`il b. al-Fadl al-Hashimi. He said: Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام said to me: Have you done mut`a since you have gone out from your family? I said: Due to the abundance of what is with me of wives, Allah has made me needless of it. He said: And even if you are needless, for verily I love that you should revive the Sunna of the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله.

The rewards for muta are very great:

3 – And by his isnad from Salih b. `Uqba from his father from Abu Ja`far عليه السلام. He said: I said: Is there reward for the one who does mut`a? He said: If he had intended by that the countenance of Allah تعالى and opposition against the one who denied it, he does not speak a word but that Allah has written ten good deeds for him by it, and he does not extend his hand to it but that Allah has written ten good deeds for him. So when he has approached it, Allah has forgiven him a sin by that, and when he has done ghusl, Allah has forgiven him by the measure of what has passed of water upon his hair. I said: By the number of hairs? He said: By the number of hairs.

4 – And Abu Ja`far عليه السلام said: Verily when the Prophet صلى الله عليه وآله did the night journey to Heaven, he said: Jibra’il عليه السلام reached me and said: O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وآله, verily Allah تبارك وتعالى says: Verily I have forgiven the doers of mut`a of the women from your Umma.

15 – And from Ibn `Isa from Muhammad b. `Ali al-Hamdani from a man whom he named from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام. He said: There is not a man who does mut`a then does ghusl but that Allah creates for every drop (of water) that drops from him seventy angels seeking forgiveness for him until the day of the resurrection and cursing the avoider of it (i.e. of mut`a) until the Hour rises.

http://www.tashayyu..../muta/chapter-2

Something tells me that if these narrations were talking about reciting a certain surah from the Qur'an a certain number of times, then nobody would be saying doing so is simply mubah, and neither would anyone be wondering too much about the strength of the chains of narration.

Also, as you know, each marjaa' has their own rijal (narrators of hadith that they consider reliable). That could be another reason.

Yes, but as I pointed out in my previous post, the rijal aspect is not important for mustahab actions (although someone is free to correct me if I'm wrong about this). It only comes into play in deciding what is halal and haram.

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