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Salam to you all brothers and sisters i am a Muslim and i am originally from south of yemen the northern coast of Somalia.

People like me who are from the northern coast belong to a Large Somali tribe Is'haaq , we believed that we are descendents and members of the Ahlul-Bayt.

The founder of this tribe passed away in 727/Hijra /1327. Sheikh Is'haaq ibn Ahmad was a Arab scholar and was born in Madina and was raised Hadhramaut, his father was born in Madina al-Munwara, and his Grandfather Muhammad bin Hussein was born in Samara, Iraq.

Brothers and Sisters, i am not the best in Arabic, but this is text off an old book which has information on Sheikh Is'haaq's grandfather i think.

It'll be a great favour if you translate this:

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ÈÓã Çááå æ ÇáÕáÇÉ æ ÇáÓáÇã Úáì ÎÇÊã ÇáÇäÈíÇÁ .

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The text is from a mansucript sealed in Yemen by the Ahlul Bayt over there.

almost eight centuries ago, Mohammed Hassan Al- Basri in a short biography written some times during his return to Damascus from the horn of Africa wrote about the journey of Sheikh Is'haaq from Mukha to Zayla, in his manuscript titled ' Al-Asjad Al-Mandum Li-Taariikh Wal-Uluum' presently housed in the Al-Dahiriya historical library of Demescus, Al-Basri detailed the life of Sheikh Is'haaq both in Yemen/Zayla and later Mait where he eventually settled with his tow wives and children and where presently his tomb is located.

This is where we live, persumably on the north and western coasts.

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The ratios or the lineage of Sheikh Isaaq are as follows:

1. Isaaq

1. ÅÓÍÇÞ

2. bin Ahmed

2. Èä ÇÍãÏ

3. Bin Mohammed

3. Èä ãÍãÏ

4. Bin Hussien

4. Èä ÍÓíä

5. Bin Ali

5. Èä Úáí

6. Bin Mudhar

6. Èä ÇáãØåÑ

7. Bin Abdalla

7. Èä ÚÈÏ Çááå

8. Bin Ayup

8. Èä ÇíæÈ

9. Bin Mohammed

9. Èä ãÍãÏ

10. Bin Qasim

10. Èä ÞÇÓã

11. Bin Ahmed

11. Èä ÇÍãÏ

12. Bin Ali

12. Èä Úáí

13. Bin Eisa

13. Èä ÚíÓì

14. Bin Yahya

14. Èä íÍíì

15. Bin Mohammed Al Taqi

15. Èä ãÍãÏ ÇáÊÞí

16. Bin Ali Al Hadi

16. Èä Úáí ÇáåÇÏí

17. Bin Mohammed Al Jawad

17. Èä ãÍãÏÇáÌæÇÏ

18. Bin Ali Al Reda

18. Èä Úáí ÇáÑÖÇ

19. Bin Musa Al Kathim

19. ãæÓì ÇáßÇÙã

20. Bin Jafar Al Sadiq

20. Èä ÌÚÝÑ ÇáÕÇÏÞ

21. Bin Mohammed Al Baqir

21. Èä ãÍãÏÇáÈÇÞÑ

22. Bin Ali Zainal Al Abiden

22. Èä Úáí Òíä ÇáÚÇÈÏíä

23. Bin Imam Al Hussien

23. Èä ÇáÇãÇã ÇáÍÓíä

24. Bin Ali

24. Èä Úáì

25. Bin Abu Dalib

25. Èä ÃÈæØÇáÈ

26. Bin Abdulmuddalib

26. Èä ÚÈÏÇáãØáÈ

27. Bin Abdulmanaf

27. Èä ÚÈÏÇáãäÇÝ

28. Bin Hashim

28. Èä åÇÔã

Much of the muslim world does not know of this tribe or people, it is like they have been hidden Wallahi. Me personally i have seen the prophet in a dream, in the dream he was standing infront of me not saying anything it was very hard to remember. But i remember that before i slept i sent salawat on him and his wives family companions and all the prophets before him.

These are people who are in the Bani Isaaq family

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Yes it is possible, the lineage is passed down through the father. Many many sayeds now have had centuries of inter marriages, thats why you will find pakistani sayeds, iraqi sayeds, iranian sayeds, afghan sayeds, yemeni sayeds etc.

As long as the man is a sayed then all of his children will be sayed too, and all of their children will be sayed too etc. regardless of whether they marry a woman who is a sayed or non sayed

Whereas if a sayed woman marries a non sayed man then their children will not be counted as sayed though technically their lineage will go back to the Imams (عليه السلام) (through the mother) but they won't be called/recognised as sayeds.

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Where do you get that the bloodline of Sayyed goes through Male descendent?

If that was the case then there would be no Sayyed in the world today because all the bloodline to the Prophet goes via Fatima (sa), a female.

Yes but after Fatima (sa) and Imam Ali (as) the bloodline of a Sayed only goes through the Male descendant.

I don't know why but thats just how it is, I have heard it many times from different people, I don't think it's one of those cultural things I don't know but I'm pretty certain it only goes through the male descendants.

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At the time of Imam Ridha (عليه السلام) I think it was, the leader (I think Harun al-Rasheed (la) or maybe it was ma'mun (la)) I don't know I get mixed up with the names, anyway he was going to kill all followers of the Imam (عليه السلام) or something like that, now many of them were sayeds and also (either the sayeds or the shi'a can't remember which one) used to smell nice and had a certain fragrance about them but the Imam (عليه السلام) made duaa' for Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) to remove it so they cannot be found so easily, he then told them they had 4 years till harun (la) or ma'mun (la) was going to kill them and he told them to flee and go as far as possible. They went as far as china towards the east and as far as north africa towards the west.

Due to this the shi'a whom alot were sayeds were scattered all over the worlds in different places, and had children etc. and so now there are sayeds all over the world.

It was something like that I heard in a lecture I can't exactly remember the story.

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Sheikh Ishaaq's grandfather Muhammad binu Hussein was from Iraq and he fled to Madina due to some difficulties with the Abbasids.

Anyway traditionally my father has been passed his lineage from his father and he passed it to me, its a tradition thats how i memorized the names of my ancestors to Sheikh Isaaq, his auto-biogripher Muhammad Al Basri who was with him through his travels his book is in Damascus i wonder how i can get a hold of it.

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Sheikh Ishaaq's grandfather Muhammad binu Hussein was from Iraq and he fled to Madina due to some difficulties with the Abbasids.

Anyway traditionally my father has been passed his lineage from his father and he passed it to me, its a tradition thats how i memorized the names of my ancestors to Sheikh Isaaq, his auto-biogripher Muhammad Al Basri who was with him through his travels his book is in Damascus i wonder how i can get a hold of it.

sounds like you were probably of Shia ancestory. You have a tradition of secrecy within your tribe that you do not share with outsiders. This is similar to the tradition of dissimulation in Shias.

I would hazard a guess that your ancestors were Shia fleeing persecution from the Abbasides settled in somalia but kept their Shia identity secret due to fear of persecution. Over the course of hundreds of years you forgot your Shia roots and merged with the general population becoming Sunni. Your strict adherence to remembering the honorifics of the Shia Imams is an indication of this. There is evidence that this has ocured on the Indian sub-continent as well

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So it is confirmed that alot of Sayyids or descendants fleed Iraq during the Abbasid rule?, Somalis are traditionally Sufis, we do dhikr and hadra and spiritual gatherings and that sort.

Although it is impossible for me to hate Shia's, there's a place in my heart for Shia's.

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So it is confirmed that alot of Sayyids or descendants fleed Iraq during the Abbasid rule?, Somalis are traditionally Sufis, we do dhikr and hadra and spiritual gatherings and that sort.

Although it is impossible for me to hate Shia's, there's a place in my heart for Shia's.

Despite what the current leaders of the Sufi orders claim, they all came afterwards. With the exception of the Naqshbandi order all other Sufi orders trace their inspiration back to Hz Ali (as). This again makes me think that the original founders of the orders were Shias in hiding

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how did you come to know about shia that they follow the 12 imams? both my parents are from Somaliland too, but have never heard of the imams almost all my life. did your family taught you anything about the imams or Ahlulbayt in general?

oh, you didn't answer my Q above, I know you said you're Isa'aaq but what's your sub clan, maxa ka tahaay? am just very curious to know :)

As I was saying 9/12 imams are in your family tree. Most of the Imams has been recognised by his honorific ie no 15Mohammed was the name Taqi is the honorific.

15. Bin Mohammed Al Taqi

15. بن محمد التقي

16. Bin Ali Al Hadi

16. بن علي الهادي

17. Bin Mohammed Al Jawad

17. بن محمدالجواد

18. Bin Ali Al Reda

18. بن علي الرضا

19. Bin Musa Al Kathim

19. موسى الكاظم

20. Bin Jafar Al Sadiq

20. بن جعفر الصادق

21. Bin Mohammed Al Baqir

21. بن محمدالباقر

22. Bin Ali Zainal Al Abiden

22. بن علي زين العابدين

23. Bin Imam Al Hussien

23. بن الامام الحسين

24. Bin Ali

This seems to indicate that your ancestors knew the significance of these individual but you have only remembered them as names

^yes I heard that too. sufi practices goes back to our imam A.S . I highly doubt sheikh Isha'q was a shia. he is widely believed to be a suffi follower tho.

As I said dissimulation of belief to protect the followers. Ask the tribe why they have a culture of secrecy. They will have forgotten Worse then that they will have forgotten the secret as well

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how did you come to know about shia that they follow the 12 imams? both my parents are from Somaliland too, but have never heard of the imams almost all my life. did your family taught you anything about the imams or Ahlulbayt in general?

oh, you didn't answer my Q above, I know you said you're Isa'aaq but what's your sub clan, maxa ka tahaay? am just very curious to know :)

I'm Abdurahman (Awal) Sa'ad Musa.

My parents respect Shias even though we are sufis, we watch ahlul-bayt tv, thats how we know. What about you and your family?

Despite what the current leaders of the Sufi orders claim, they all came afterwards. With the exception of the Naqshbandi order all other Sufi orders trace their inspiration back to Hz Ali (as). This again makes me think that the original founders of the orders were Shias in hiding

I still haven't given Bayah to a Shaykh yeah although i wish to follow the Qadiriyya or the Shahidilli orders since they are active i still engage in the practices of the Naqashbandi order its great.

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Brother Im doing fine i am reconciling myself in considering to join the Shahidilli path which encourages in one sitting alone reflecting on his nafs and learning how to make it better. Perhaps the best explanation is

Jibril (a.s) came to the prophet and sahaba in human from dressed in the whitest of white his hair black and his beard black he asked "tell me about the perfection of faith (ihsan),” and the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) answered: “It is to worship Allah as if you see Him, and if you see Him not, He nevertheless sees you.”This is what we do, when we sufis walk, we feel as Allah as with us, when we say

"Allahuma Sali Ala Sayidina Muhammad wa Ala Aalihi wa ashaabihi wa salim" we feel the spirit and energy of the prophet because the prophet said whoever sends blessings on me i will be there to send it to him back.

What parts do i not fit in to Islam Ya Akhi.

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Akhi wallahi one monday not too long ago i fasted for the sake of Allah and following the sunah of the prophet, the prophet used to fast on mondays, i fasted, i missed duhr prayer, i came back home, i missed asr prayer, i prayed maghrib and had iftar, i sent salawat on the prophet, i slept and i saw him in my dream standing , and he was taller then me, all i can remember is that he was standing infront of me, and my father gave me instructions in the dream " go and give the prophet so and so" and so i was dressed in these robes and a turban and i went down the stairs and i saw the prophet and i was standing infront of him, thats the last thing i remember,

akhi if i am on the wrong path why didn't the prophet say so in my dream, some say the prophet will appear to you in different states depending on your level of Iman.

I immensly love the prophet, day and night i walk around the house when im with my mother all i say is " the prophet used to do this, one day the prophet did this"

i'm obsessed , and i cannot address Allah without sending salawat on him.

regarding Shaykh isaaq, brother i told you there are manuscripts in Yemen and there is a book written by the man who was with him Muhammad Al Basri it is in the historical library in damascus.

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This is my lineage to Sheikh Ishaaq binu Ahmad bin Muhammad Al Hashimi

1. *****

2 *****

3 *****

4 *****

5 *****

6 *****

7 *****

8 *****

9 *****

10 Son of Gadīd

11 Son of Yōnis

12 Son of Nūḥ

13 Son of Ismaʿīl

14 Son of Jibrīl

15 Son of Ḥusayn

16 Son of Abubakr

17 Son of Is'ḥaaq

18 Son of Saʿad

19 Son of Mūsa

20 Son of Subayr

21 Son of ʿAbdalraḥmān ( Awal)

22 Son of Shaykh Isāq.

A rough estimate way to calculate if this is correct, is to know that 33 years is the average year of a generation, i count 22 to Shaykh Ishaq, i should multiply 22 x 33 then subtract the result with 2012 and it should roughly give me the result of the century when Shaykh ishaq was alive.

22 x 33 = 726

726 - 2012 = 1286 , in 1286 Shaykh Ishaq was alive. Which confirms me as his descendant and Allah knows best.

Now let me try the same thing with Imam Ali (a.s)

I count 46 to Imam Ali (A.S) a generation could be 30, 31, 33, or even 40 years, it depends on how long the person lived,

I will multiply 46 x 31 years

46 x 31 = 1426

2012 - 1426 = 586 this was 12 years before Imam Ali (A.S) was born.

You must remember that these are not exact but rather they are roughly and are an estimate, since i do not have full recordings of date and births of my ancestors.

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the prophet said whosoever has seen me in a dream has seen me and that shaydaan cannot take form of him.

and also dreams are very important the first thing the prophet would ask his sahaba is what did you dream of.

I am ahlulbayt but u must remember i am still a regular muslim, i strive to do things just as every other muslim, alot of shuyuukh in the past were great and they weren't ahlul-bayt, for example Uwais Al Qadri (R.A), Allah created mankind as equals one human is not above the other, Ahlul Bayt ofcourse are different because they carry the blood of the prophet, but i don't like it when they make it seems ahlul-bayt like some sort of monarchy.

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^ Bro you should believe, If your fathers fathers fathers up to Sheikh isaaq believed why couldn't you have faith brother, appearance doesn't mean anything

we heavily intermarried with the native population now we are somalis but our lineage to Ahlul-bayt doesn't dissapear, the malaysians and indonesians have ahlul bayt and look how far they live, we live just under Yemen.

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how did you come to know about shia that they follow the 12 imams? both my parents are from Somaliland too, but have never heard of the imams almost all my life. did your family taught you anything about the imams or Ahlulbayt in general?

oh, you didn't answer my Q above, I know you said you're Isa'aaq but what's your sub clan, maxa ka tahaay? am just very curious to know :)

I'm Isaaq Arab that's all I memorized :)

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Rereading your family tree I think you will find that you have an error 15,16, 17. No 15 Imam Mohammaed Taqi alternative name is Imam Mohammed Jawad. (17)

Rereading it and taking out 15 it appears you are descended from Imam Al Hadi. Interestingly enough the other individual who came on here had errors in his genealogy as well but when corrected had all 12 Imams named . He wrongly thought he was descended from the 12 Imam but it appears your family tree might be a little more accurate.

Further evidence that your ancestors were in fact Shia Ithna Asheria

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This is the correct lineage of Sh. Isahaq Binu Ahmed Al-Hashimi, the Sheekh migrated from Iraq due to wars against Ehlu Beyt and formally resided in the horn of Africa where his lineage are now living.

1. Isaaq

1. إسحاق

2. bin Ahmed

2. بن احمد

3. Bin Mohammed

3. بن محمد

4. Bin Hussien

4. بن حسين

5. Bin Ali

5. بن علي

6. Bin Mudhar

6. بن المطهر

7. Bin Abdalla

7. بن عبد الله

8. Bin Ayup

8. بن ايوب

9. Bin Mohammed

9. بن محمد

10. Bin Qasim

10. بن قاسم

11. Bin Ahmed

11. بن احمد

12. Bin Ali

12. بن علي

13. Bin Eisa

13. بن عيسى

14. Bin Yahya

14. بن يحيى

15. Bin Mohammed Al Taqi

15. بن محمد التقي

16. Bin Ali Al Caskari

16. بن علي العسكري

17. Bin Mohammed Al Jawad

17. بن محمدالجواد

18. Bin Ali Al Reda

18. بن علي الرضا

19. Bin Musa Al Kathim

19. موسى الكاظم

20. Bin Jafar Al Sadiq

20. بن جعفر الصادق

21. Bin Mohammed Al Baqir

21. بن محمدالباقر

22. Bin Ali Zainal Al Abiden

22. بن علي زين العابدين

23. Bin Imam Al Hussien

23. بن الامام الحسين

24. Bin Ali

24. بن على

25. Bin Abu Dalib

25. بن أبوطالب

26. Bin Abdulmuddalib

26. بن عبدالمطلب

27. Bin Abdulmanaf

27. بن عبدالمناف

28. Bin Hashim

28. بن هاشم

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This is the correct lineage of Sh. Isahaq Binu Ahmed Al-Hashimi, the Sheekh migrated from Iraq due to wars against Ehlu Beyt and formally resided in the horn of Africa where his lineage are now living.

1. Isaaq

1. إسحاق

2. bin Ahmed

2. بن احمد

3. Bin Mohammed

3. بن محمد

4. Bin Hussien

4. بن حسين

5. Bin Ali

5. بن علي

6. Bin Mudhar

6. بن المطهر

7. Bin Abdalla

7. بن عبد الله

8. Bin Ayup

8. بن ايوب

9. Bin Mohammed

9. بن محمد

10. Bin Qasim

10. بن قاسم

11. Bin Ahmed

11. بن احمد

12. Bin Ali

12. بن علي

13. Bin Eisa

13. بن عيسى

14. Bin Yahya

14. بن يحيى

15. Bin Ali Al Caskari

15. بن علي العسكري

16. Bin Mohammed Al Jawad

16. بن محمدالجواد

 

17. Bin Mohammed Al Taqi

17. بن محمد التقي

18. Bin Ali Al Reda

18. بن علي الرضا

19. Bin Musa Al Kathim

19. موسى الكاظم

20. Bin Jafar Al Sadiq

20. بن جعفر الصادق

21. Bin Mohammed Al Baqir

21. بن محمدالباقر

22. Bin Ali Zainal Al Abiden

22. بن علي زين العابدين

23. Bin Imam Al Hussien

23. بن الامام الحسين

24. Bin Ali

24. بن على

25. Bin Abu Dalib

25. بن أبوطالب

26. Bin Abdulmuddalib

26. بن عبدالمطلب

27. Bin Abdulmanaf

27. بن عبدالمناف

28. Bin Hashim

28. بن هاشم

 

ASA just corrected your family tree it was innacurate. It does appear your ancestory is Shia Ithna Asheria. As you can see the honorifics are with the recognised Imams and then after the recognised Imams no more honorifics

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